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The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

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posted on May, 7 2016 @ 03:39 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: amazing
So if there IS a Mandela effect...you have to ask yourself some questions first. Not just IS it happening, but...what causes it and if it is an intelligent being what is the motive and if it is a natural what is the cause and why does it not effect everything?


The Effect is real.

The important question to me is ... what is the outcome or direction of those who accept that there have been actual CHANGES in reality rather than what I call the mundane solution that these are human memory and perceptual lapses being amplified and concatenated by the internet.
Why can't it be both? Some cases likely ARE the memory and perceptual lapses. Perhaps even most are. But perhaps the strongest most persistent ones with very actual specific memories attached to them like Mandela's purported death in the 80's and Billy Graham's alleged death are in fact the result of something else more fantastic like a timeslip? I myself experienced the Mandela one, but not the Billy Graham one. Because I know how experiencing the Mandela one makes me feel, I can sympathize with those who firmly remember experiencing Graham's death even though I have never once heard of him dying.

Additionally I have a very specific persistent recollection of being in the car with my parents around a couple of years after Dallas access Charlene Tilton and "Looking for Love" country singer Johnny Lee divorced, and hearing over the radio that Johnny Lee had died suddenly and unexpectedly (of a heart attack, I think). The cause I'm no longer sure of, but the announcement of his death, I am. I remember thinking it was kind of sad that their daughter Cherish wouldn't have a dad anymore.

Lo and behold, not that long ago I did an Internet search on Charlene Tilton and one link led to another and I found out Johnny is still alive! He had a same named son who did die, but in 2014. I heard Johnny Sr's death announcement in the late 80's, so I'm not confusing the son with the father. Interestingly enough, Johnny's career more or less died around the time of when I thought he himself died. He performs in Branson now but there are no real works or albums of note listed for the time after I "knew" him to have died. I find that a bit strange for reasons I can't put my finger on. But it would explain why all of these decades later I persisted in thinking he was dead until I went and dug him up, in a manner of speaking.

If actor John Erik Hexum ever turns up alive I will really freak out because I have a super specific memory of HIS death. I woke up one morning to the radio announcing his death. My dad used to blare the radio as he got ready for work in the morning. But the radio that my dad was playing was actually playing a song as I fully woke up. Then AFTER I was awake I heard the news announcement of his accidental death again. My dad insists the announcement played only once, yet I heard it twice, once as it was waking me up and then just minutes later it was like the whole sequence of the song ending and the announcement happening replayed. So that's a celebrity death I won't ever forget because it was a real WTH moment.

I apologize for any typos. I'm typing on an iPad and the display is too tiny for my middle aged eyes to deal with.




posted on May, 7 2016 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Finnmac
This thread is giving me the creeps, something is definitely going on.
I thought I would share my own two cents, as long as I could remember the mall in my town opened until 9pm Wednesday through Friday. One night after work I got changed and drove to the mall but everywhere was closed. At first I thought it was a holiday or something but when I got home and explained this to my wife she looked at me as if I was crazy and said the mall opens to 8pm Wednesday through Friday.....and always has.
Now this may not seem like much but it bugged the hell outta me as I am positive about this. Some of my friends are in agreement and others are not.


Are you able to go back to any older newspapers or other publications (maybe at a local library) to see if advertisements or announcements of local events actually recorded the times of operating hours for the mall?

I know a lot of times these things can be scary, but actually touching base with such "records" can sometimes, for some people, help restore a sense of order to the world.

Best of luck to you, either way.


I never thought about that, great idea



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: SheeplFlavoredAgain

I haven't said that any solution is not possible.

I am not trying to take anyone's beliefs away from them.

I have only shared my analysis that all the ones that I have researched and considered can be explained most simply by mistakes in memories, perceptions and cognitions that subsequently get enhanced or modified by the cultural existence of "the Mandela Effect(s)." I have tried to provide links where possible to real-world evidence which demonstrates the facts of a given item or event.

Further, different people find different "Effect(s)" more troubling than others. For example, the one I can't rid my own memory of, no matter how many times I watch actual old recordings, is the Mr. Roger's Neighborhood themesong ... for me "The Neighborhood" rather than the factual "This Neighborhood."

Some folks experience a lot of the "Effect(s)" but very few seem to experience all the same ones.

I am sad to report that I also vividly remember the death of Jon-Erik Hexum. Indeed, if he turns up alive, I'm not sure that my joy wouldn't outweigh any confusion or fear that were generated from such an obvious "change."

No worry about typos ... I make mistakes all the time.





edit on 7-5-2016 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 03:58 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TravelleOn

Did the Great Pyramid have a lighter space at the top?

PS: No one is trying to "explain" anything away, merely making observations about actual evidence. Do you have links to reports or testimony of the "many, many" people who share your memories of which Pyramid was which? Any link to these books? Any evidence at all other than your recollection? If so, please share them.


If you are genuinely interested you can put in the work researching this to find out for yourself,i am not obligated to do so on your behalf.
By the way,the only line i typed using the phrase "Many,many" was this, "Many,many tourists took photo's of themselves in front of the central pyramid to commemorate their trip to the "Great Pyramid".
If you are going to make reference to something i typed,have the honesty and competency to do so correctly.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:06 AM
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originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TravelleOn

Did the Great Pyramid have a lighter space at the top?

PS: No one is trying to "explain" anything away, merely making observations about actual evidence. Do you have links to reports or testimony of the "many, many" people who share your memories of which Pyramid was which? Any link to these books? Any evidence at all other than your recollection? If so, please share them.


If you are genuinely interested you can put in the work researching this to find out for yourself,i am not obligated to do so on your behalf.
By the way,the only line i typed using the phrase "Many,many" was this, "Many,many tourists took photo's of themselves in front of the central pyramid to commemorate their trip to the "Great Pyramid".
If you are going to make reference to something i typed,have the honesty and competency to do so correctly.


I have done fair amounts of research into the topic and these claims. I haven't asked you to do research, you make clear and obvious claims here that multitudes of people share your specific understanding and experience of the Pyramids and I simply asked for your evidence of that claim.

Please don't try the "I am an expert on this and you should take my word on it" device. That's known as a fallacious appeal to (your own) authority.

So, when I stated that you claimed "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids and you state clearly that you said "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids how is that not honest and competent? LOL.

Can you provide backup for the many many people that took photos in front of the central Pyramid who believed that was "the Great Pyramid"? Or is that an assumption based on your own understanding and the understandings of those who frequent "Mandela Effect(s)" websites and discussions?

You apparently can't accept that others don't share your specific understanding of the "Mandela Effect(s)" ... that's not my problem. If you are dealing honestly and competently, you will provide links and/or evidence for your claims.

That's how this works.

Please don't make such blatant attempts to imply that I'm not being honest or that I'm not "competent" (LOL) because I disagree with you on the topic.
edit on 7-5-2016 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:20 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TravelleOn

Did the Great Pyramid have a lighter space at the top?

PS: No one is trying to "explain" anything away, merely making observations about actual evidence. Do you have links to reports or testimony of the "many, many" people who share your memories of which Pyramid was which? Any link to these books? Any evidence at all other than your recollection? If so, please share them.


If you are genuinely interested you can put in the work researching this to find out for yourself,i am not obligated to do so on your behalf.
By the way,the only line i typed using the phrase "Many,many" was this, "Many,many tourists took photo's of themselves in front of the central pyramid to commemorate their trip to the "Great Pyramid".
If you are going to make reference to something i typed,have the honesty and competency to do so correctly.


I have done fair amounts of research into the topic and these claims. I haven't asked you to do research, you make clear and obvious claims here that multitudes of people share your specific understanding and experience of the Pyramids and I simply asked for your evidence of that claim.

Please don't try the "I am an expert on this and you should take my word on it" device. That's known as a fallacious appeal to (your own) authority.

So, when I stated that you claimed "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids and you state clearly that you said "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids how is that not honest and competent? LOL.

Can you provide backup for the many many people that took photos in front of the central Pyramid who believed that was "the Great Pyramid"? Or is that an assumption based on your own understanding and the understandings of those who frequent "Mandela Effect(s)" websites and discussions?

You apparently can't accept that others don't share your specific understanding of the "Mandela Effect(s)" ... that's not my problem. If you are dealing honestly and competently, you will provide links and/or evidence for your claims.

That's how this works.

Please don't make such blatant attempts to imply that I'm not being honest or that I'm not "competent" (LOL) because I disagree with you on the topic.


EDIT: Also, please note that I am NOT asking for evidence regarding your understanding of the causes, origins, etc. of the "Mandela Effect(s)" but only a specific claim you made about the Pyramids. And that of course is only if you can, or if you choose to do so. Thanks.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:23 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TravelleOn

Did the Great Pyramid have a lighter space at the top?

PS: No one is trying to "explain" anything away, merely making observations about actual evidence. Do you have links to reports or testimony of the "many, many" people who share your memories of which Pyramid was which? Any link to these books? Any evidence at all other than your recollection? If so, please share them.


If you are genuinely interested you can put in the work researching this to find out for yourself,i am not obligated to do so on your behalf.
By the way,the only line i typed using the phrase "Many,many" was this, "Many,many tourists took photo's of themselves in front of the central pyramid to commemorate their trip to the "Great Pyramid".
If you are going to make reference to something i typed,have the honesty and competency to do so correctly.


I have done fair amounts of research into the topic and these claims. I haven't asked you to do research, you make clear and obvious claims here that multitudes of people share your specific understanding and experience of the Pyramids and I simply asked for your evidence of that claim.

Please don't try the "I am an expert on this and you should take my word on it" device. That's known as a fallacious appeal to (your own) authority.

So, when I stated that you claimed "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids and you state clearly that you said "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids how is that not honest and competent? LOL.

Can you provide backup for the many many people that took photos in front of the central Pyramid who believed that was "the Great Pyramid"? Or is that an assumption based on your own understanding and the understandings of those who frequent "Mandela Effect(s)" websites and discussions?

You apparently can't accept that others don't share your specific understanding of the "Mandela Effect(s)" ... that's not my problem. If you are dealing honestly and competently, you will provide links and/or evidence for your claims.

That's how this works.

Please don't make such blatant attempts to imply that I'm not being honest or that I'm not "competent" (LOL) because I disagree with you on the topic.


It is quite clear that you have been disingenuously engaged in this topic for some time,I'm not the only member to have noticed and to have had to correct your misquoting or misrepresentation.
Nothing has been implied about you that you have not adequately represented yourself in the nature of your communique's thus far.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:26 AM
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originally posted by: TravelleOn


It is quite clear that you have been disingenuously engaged in this topic for some time,I'm not the only member to have noticed and to have had to correct your misquoting or misrepresentation.
Nothing has been implied about you that you have not adequately represented yourself in the nature of your communique's thus far.


No, that's not clear, though several posters do agree with your position. You will notice that just as many or more members are enjoying their interactions with me and appreciate what I have to say.

I honestly don't care what you think about me, nor what you very clearly implied about me, but I want to ask you again to focus on the topic and not your estimation of me. I am not the topic.

Thank you kindly.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:31 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TravelleOn

Did the Great Pyramid have a lighter space at the top?

PS: No one is trying to "explain" anything away, merely making observations about actual evidence. Do you have links to reports or testimony of the "many, many" people who share your memories of which Pyramid was which? Any link to these books? Any evidence at all other than your recollection? If so, please share them.


If you are genuinely interested you can put in the work researching this to find out for yourself,i am not obligated to do so on your behalf.
By the way,the only line i typed using the phrase "Many,many" was this, "Many,many tourists took photo's of themselves in front of the central pyramid to commemorate their trip to the "Great Pyramid".
If you are going to make reference to something i typed,have the honesty and competency to do so correctly.


I have done fair amounts of research into the topic and these claims. I haven't asked you to do research, you make clear and obvious claims here that multitudes of people share your specific understanding and experience of the Pyramids and I simply asked for your evidence of that claim.

Please don't try the "I am an expert on this and you should take my word on it" device. That's known as a fallacious appeal to (your own) authority.

So, when I stated that you claimed "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids and you state clearly that you said "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids how is that not honest and competent? LOL.

Can you provide backup for the many many people that took photos in front of the central Pyramid who believed that was "the Great Pyramid"? Or is that an assumption based on your own understanding and the understandings of those who frequent "Mandela Effect(s)" websites and discussions?

You apparently can't accept that others don't share your specific understanding of the "Mandela Effect(s)" ... that's not my problem. If you are dealing honestly and competently, you will provide links and/or evidence for your claims.

That's how this works.

Please don't make such blatant attempts to imply that I'm not being honest or that I'm not "competent" (LOL) because I disagree with you on the topic.


EDIT: Also, please note that I am NOT asking for evidence regarding your understanding of the causes, origins, etc. of the "Mandela Effect(s)" but only a specific claim you made about the Pyramids. And that of course is only if you can, or if you choose to do so. Thanks.


No claims were made,i simply related my experiencing and my awareness of other's seemingly kindred experiencing.
You keep using implicating words and terms such as "belief" and "claims" and "theory".
We are here discussing experience and memories,not a criminal case in a court.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:34 AM
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originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: TravelleOn

Giza?? Okay. I looked. What do you think is different about it?

Thanks!

- AB


The central pyramid with some remaining additional casing stones at the top used to be the "great pyramid" and was distinctly larger than the other 2,however many images and computer renderings are now showing the northernmost pyramid to be the largest,and it is being called the "great pyramid".
If you look through the images of the complex you will find many showing the central pyramid to clearly be the larger,yet other images are showing the northernmost to be the largest..evidence for both scenarios.
I clearly remember the central one being the largest and the "great pyramid".
Also as some other people have noted,Cairo now seems way too close to the Giza plateau..i mean it's right smack dab up against it.


Yep. You're right. The central one was the Great Pyramid. I still haven't looked, although I will soon. I honestly think I might start crying if I look...I hate crying. It gives me hiccups. So I'll look later.


Prepare your anti-hiccup techniques!


Ughh...have I mentioned I really hate this and it sucks???



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:34 AM
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originally posted by: DaVillen
Anyone remember how the Sara Lee slogan went? I remember "Nobody does it like Sara Lee", but it's actually "Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee" which absolutely makes no sense at all.


"Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee." Means "Everybody likes Sara Lee." It makes perfect sense.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:34 AM
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Back to the topic, confusion about the Pyramids (including the fairly easy mistake of which one is which) is clearly exhibited on the internet:

8 Things You Probably Got Wrong About the Pyramids

Stop Showing Khafre's Pyramid as the Great Pyramid

Pyramids of Giza

Etc.
edit on 7-5-2016 by Gryphon66 because: Better link provided



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:38 AM
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originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: TravelleOn

Giza?? Okay. I looked. What do you think is different about it?

Thanks!

- AB


The central pyramid with some remaining additional casing stones at the top used to be the "great pyramid" and was distinctly larger than the other 2,however many images and computer renderings are now showing the northernmost pyramid to be the largest,and it is being called the "great pyramid".
If you look through the images of the complex you will find many showing the central pyramid to clearly be the larger,yet other images are showing the northernmost to be the largest..evidence for both scenarios.
I clearly remember the central one being the largest and the "great pyramid".
Also as some other people have noted,Cairo now seems way too close to the Giza plateau..i mean it's right smack dab up against it.


Yep. You're right. The central one was the Great Pyramid. I still haven't looked, although I will soon. I honestly think I might start crying if I look...I hate crying. It gives me hiccups. So I'll look later.


Prepare your anti-hiccup techniques!


Ughh...have I mentioned I really hate this and it sucks???


Maybe the hiccups are from excitement!



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TravelleOn

Did the Great Pyramid have a lighter space at the top?

PS: No one is trying to "explain" anything away, merely making observations about actual evidence. Do you have links to reports or testimony of the "many, many" people who share your memories of which Pyramid was which? Any link to these books? Any evidence at all other than your recollection? If so, please share them.


If you are genuinely interested you can put in the work researching this to find out for yourself,i am not obligated to do so on your behalf.
By the way,the only line i typed using the phrase "Many,many" was this, "Many,many tourists took photo's of themselves in front of the central pyramid to commemorate their trip to the "Great Pyramid".
If you are going to make reference to something i typed,have the honesty and competency to do so correctly.


I have done fair amounts of research into the topic and these claims. I haven't asked you to do research, you make clear and obvious claims here that multitudes of people share your specific understanding and experience of the Pyramids and I simply asked for your evidence of that claim.

Please don't try the "I am an expert on this and you should take my word on it" device. That's known as a fallacious appeal to (your own) authority.

So, when I stated that you claimed "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids and you state clearly that you said "many, many" in regard to the Pyramids how is that not honest and competent? LOL.

Can you provide backup for the many many people that took photos in front of the central Pyramid who believed that was "the Great Pyramid"? Or is that an assumption based on your own understanding and the understandings of those who frequent "Mandela Effect(s)" websites and discussions?

You apparently can't accept that others don't share your specific understanding of the "Mandela Effect(s)" ... that's not my problem. If you are dealing honestly and competently, you will provide links and/or evidence for your claims.

That's how this works.

Please don't make such blatant attempts to imply that I'm not being honest or that I'm not "competent" (LOL) because I disagree with you on the topic.


EDIT: Also, please note that I am NOT asking for evidence regarding your understanding of the causes, origins, etc. of the "Mandela Effect(s)" but only a specific claim you made about the Pyramids. And that of course is only if you can, or if you choose to do so. Thanks.


No claims were made,i simply related my experiencing and my awareness of other's seemingly kindred experiencing.
You keep using implicating words and terms such as "belief" and "claims" and "theory".
We are here discussing experience and memories,not a criminal case in a court.


A claim is a statement.

"Implicating words" eh? I'm sorry you don't like the words I'm using.

We are discussing experience and memories, indeed. Aside from an early comment about the rules of evidence made in a specific statement to a specific user, I have made no comments about court.

Let me be clear once again. I'm not challenging your understanding that the universe has changed or that you have changed or whatever your position is.

I am merely giving my comments, just like everyone else, every other member that is participating. Again, if my comments, the nature of my speech patterns, word choice, etc. bother you so much, I merely suggest that you move on and don't bother to read them rather than continuing the commentary about me and how you perceive my posts.

There's plenty of room for discussion and speculation here about this topic. Have fun and enjoy yourself.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:47 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: tigertatzen

You watched Moonraker when it came out? So the person in the Image isn't you? I am pretty old and I wasn't even old enough to see it in 1979 (or if my parents took me I sure don't remember)...Did it not come out in 1979 in your reality?


Someone who would have seen it (unless mommy and daddy took them) in 1979 would be 51 or 52 now, right?

I'm 50 and I don't think I saw my first R-rated movie until ... 81 maybe?

Wierd, huh?


Replying to you because I can't find his post at all on the thread.

Yes, mommy and daddy took me in 1979. I am 44, nowhere near 51. I was eight years old and it was our first re-pat vacation to the States. It was acceptable to attend R rated films if you were with a parent. Still is. When you live in a country where everything is censored, you soak up as much as you can in the three months or less you get Stateside. It sucks but that was our way of life for years. I'm sure it's even worse over there now.


Thanks. I was wrong about the R-rating ... Moonraker is rated PG.

I was mistaken about this.


I didn't even check, just took your word for it. My parents let us watch R rated films, so it seemed perfectly plausible. Maybe it was that rating at one point...like a director's cut?


There are different spots on the net in which the movie is Rated R (linked earlier). But the movie is and was rated PG.

Another one of those ... whatever-they-ares ...


I'm starting to think confusing all of us is the primary goal here if indeed there is a puppeteer at work. Maybe even get us to where we're arguing and bickering with each other, too, to observe our reactions...that has occurred to me more than once.

Did you happen to find anything more on the aspect of this possibly being an American only phenom? Trying to look stuff up on this phone screen is driving me bonkers.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:49 AM
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originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: TravelleOn

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: TravelleOn

Giza?? Okay. I looked. What do you think is different about it?

Thanks!

- AB


The central pyramid with some remaining additional casing stones at the top used to be the "great pyramid" and was distinctly larger than the other 2,however many images and computer renderings are now showing the northernmost pyramid to be the largest,and it is being called the "great pyramid".
If you look through the images of the complex you will find many showing the central pyramid to clearly be the larger,yet other images are showing the northernmost to be the largest..evidence for both scenarios.
I clearly remember the central one being the largest and the "great pyramid".
Also as some other people have noted,Cairo now seems way too close to the Giza plateau..i mean it's right smack dab up against it.


Yep. You're right. The central one was the Great Pyramid. I still haven't looked, although I will soon. I honestly think I might start crying if I look...I hate crying. It gives me hiccups. So I'll look later.


Prepare your anti-hiccup techniques!


Ughh...have I mentioned I really hate this and it sucks???


Maybe the hiccups are from excitement!


Positive thinking...I like it.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: tigertatzen

You watched Moonraker when it came out? So the person in the Image isn't you? I am pretty old and I wasn't even old enough to see it in 1979 (or if my parents took me I sure don't remember)...Did it not come out in 1979 in your reality?


Someone who would have seen it (unless mommy and daddy took them) in 1979 would be 51 or 52 now, right?

I'm 50 and I don't think I saw my first R-rated movie until ... 81 maybe?

Wierd, huh?


Replying to you because I can't find his post at all on the thread.

Yes, mommy and daddy took me in 1979. I am 44, nowhere near 51. I was eight years old and it was our first re-pat vacation to the States. It was acceptable to attend R rated films if you were with a parent. Still is. When you live in a country where everything is censored, you soak up as much as you can in the three months or less you get Stateside. It sucks but that was our way of life for years. I'm sure it's even worse over there now.


Thanks. I was wrong about the R-rating ... Moonraker is rated PG.

I was mistaken about this.


I didn't even check, just took your word for it. My parents let us watch R rated films, so it seemed perfectly plausible. Maybe it was that rating at one point...like a director's cut?


There are different spots on the net in which the movie is Rated R (linked earlier). But the movie is and was rated PG.

Another one of those ... whatever-they-ares ...


I'm starting to think confusing all of us is the primary goal here if indeed there is a puppeteer at work. Maybe even get us to where we're arguing and bickering with each other, too, to observe our reactions...that has occurred to me more than once.

Did you happen to find anything more on the aspect of this possibly being an American only phenom? Trying to look stuff up on this phone screen is driving me bonkers.


I completely agree with you that there is a seeming element whose only interest is in perpetuating confusion! That's one of the reasons I've been so tenacious to hang into the conversation. I'm sure there's a good chance that someone, somewhere is taking notes on every interchange ... and THAT, quite honestly, is what gives me great discomfort.

As far as the rest of the world, I'm limited by using Google Translate for a lot of sites (which I don't exactly trust).

Calling these phenomena "The Mandela Effect(s)" seems to be a solely American characteristic, although I have found, as other posters mentioned early on, references to common confusions/misunderstandings/etc. Also, there does seem to be a concentration in the various versions of English (British, Canadian, Australian, etc.) Reddit

The more I look at it, the more certain elements of the "grief and confusion" seem to be generated by a basic undermining of reality, whether, "reality" in this case is a belief that the universe or individuals are changing all the way to the mundane/non-fantastic explanations based on human errors.

and vice-versa, "push-me-pull-you", etc. One of those where the further you go, the more the path seems to turn and wind on itself. "Ouroboros" I think was the symbol mentioned earlier ... and that's rarely a symbol of objective clarity or wisdom, per se, but more often, the internal, cyclical nature of introspection, etc. etc.

I will certainly admit that this topic has a special "resonance" to it ... as can be seen in the powerful reactions we're having to each other, here, in this thread even.

I mean, ATS is about the passionate exchange of ideas ... but sheesh.
edit on 7-5-2016 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 05:04 AM
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I mentioned earlier that the rational/scientific approach is my anchor when dealing with investigations such as this one.

I've encouraged others in the thread to hold on to their anchors, whatever they are ... and while I know that we've had our differences here and I'm not making the assumption that I know more than you in any way, I want to remind you of the same thing.

Whenever we take wing into chaos, we need to be able to find our way back home.


(Offered in honest concern and sympathy for your stated confusion and discomfort; please don't snap back at me, even if you feel like it, LOL)



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 05:16 AM
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originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: tigertatzen

You watched Moonraker when it came out? So the person in the Image isn't you? I am pretty old and I wasn't even old enough to see it in 1979 (or if my parents took me I sure don't remember)...Did it not come out in 1979 in your reality?


Someone who would have seen it (unless mommy and daddy took them) in 1979 would be 51 or 52 now, right?

I'm 50 and I don't think I saw my first R-rated movie until ... 81 maybe?

Wierd, huh?


Replying to you because I can't find his post at all on the thread.

Yes, mommy and daddy took me in 1979. I am 44, nowhere near 51. I was eight years old and it was our first re-pat vacation to the States. It was acceptable to attend R rated films if you were with a parent. Still is. When you live in a country where everything is censored, you soak up as much as you can in the three months or less you get Stateside. It sucks but that was our way of life for years. I'm sure it's even worse over there now.


Thanks. I was wrong about the R-rating ... Moonraker is rated PG.

I was mistaken about this.


I didn't even check, just took your word for it. My parents let us watch R rated films, so it seemed perfectly plausible. Maybe it was that rating at one point...like a director's cut?


There are different spots on the net in which the movie is Rated R (linked earlier). But the movie is and was rated PG.

Another one of those ... whatever-they-ares ...


I'm starting to think confusing all of us is the primary goal here if indeed there is a puppeteer at work. Maybe even get us to where we're arguing and bickering with each other, too, to observe our reactions...that has occurred to me more than once.

Did you happen to find anything more on the aspect of this possibly being an American only phenom? Trying to look stuff up on this phone screen is driving me bonkers.

Do you mean a further engineered division of the public by TPTB?

Interesting thought.
As if division of race, class, wealth, belief systems ect aren't enough to keep tensions up and our attention on eachother. We are now divided over perceptions of history and reality.



posted on May, 7 2016 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: tigertatzen

I really wish that the comments about being "special" would stop. It's not true, and it's very degrading. No one here has said they think they're "special". There is nothing special about this. It's frightening, unsettling...lots of things, but special? No. Please, please stop. Ok?


Perhaps not you, but there has been post after post here in which folks have implied that "experiencers" are different somehow. More evolved, more "psychically aware" ... etc.

Whatever the "Mandela Effect(s)" are they are happening to all of us, for me, the reason actually is our very universal humanity ... i.e. we are susceptible because we are all "the same."

For my part ... I know you were responding to ray ...


That's actually been my point all along...we're all being affected by this. I'm not sure who said anything about being advanced, but I missed it somehow.

All I know is suddenly, all of us who have different memories were being referred to as "people who think that they're special", and I found that personally offensive because I am one of the most humble people you'll ever meet.

I am an empath, but I don't view that as any different than someone who has a natural ability to do complex math in their head...I suck at math, but I got something else as a trade-off. It certainly doesn't mean I'm an advanced human. I just use it to help people in trouble if I can, and rehabilitate abused animals so they can be adopted. They're special...not me.


I do think that if this is some experiment or manipulation for some other purpose, there are obviously people selected (either by some common denominator or simply a random split of the population) to have the false memories. I can't speak to others' feelings on this, but obviously the people who were affected by a number of these changes are going to want to know why. That's why I came here, initially. What is it that caused us to fall into that category rather than the other?

But now, you're seeing some personal examples of these...whatever thingies. Discrepancies, like the movie rating. So I think it's affecting everyone, just some quicker or more intensely at first than others. Kind of similar to how quickly medicine starts to affect some people and takes far longer for others.

I don't know exactly what led to the conflict. I just know it needs to stop, because you're right. We are the same. And we can figure this whole thing out a lot faster if we all work together. That's been my position the entire time.



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