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originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: tigertatzen
It sounds corny to say that people fear what they don't understand, but it seems quite true.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
What is beyond absurd here is the idea that the simplest explanations for these events are so roundly ignored.
That and the fact that lies and truly hateful accusations keep being repeated over and over again.
No one here, myself included has stated that EVERY so-called "Mandela Event" is simply false memories.
On the contrary, many are simply misperceptions, faulty cognitions, and just good old mistakes.
And what is offered in return by those who insist that "there's something going on" to help with the confusion and consternation these events can create?
Nothing. They don't know what it is, but they sure as heck know what is isn't, don't they? Ask yourself that question ... who here in post after post is spreading confusion? Who is trying to shut others down? Who is lying about what has been said? Who can't go more than a few sentences without calling other posters names?
And when they aren't attacking one poster or another and trying to insult, intimidate or belittle anyone who dares to disagree with vapid, ridiculous, empty and REPETITIVE nonsense, those of us who have also experienced these events, who have admitted that we are also affected and confused by them, but who have rationally and reasonably considered the facts and realized that the problems are not with the universe, but with ourselves.
Obviously, for some people, accepting any sort of fallibility is just too much for fragile egos.
Ask yourself, who is promoting an agenda here that leads to confusion and chaos ...
Any reader can move through this thread and see the strategies being applied. The constant epithets of "troll" and "shill" and "disinfo agent" (all of which are directly against T&C) are hurled against anyone who dares to simply approach this topic from the normal or mundane point of view. This is utterly against the spirit of this forum and this site.
We've seen page after page of a few posters trying to claim this topic as their own property ... there's the constant "we" think this and "we" do that ... and when it's pointed out that this is somewhat cult-like behavior ...
... well, everyone has seen what happens.
Anyone reading this who has not yet jumped on the fantastic explanation train yet ... just know that almost every person living on this planet has experienced these anomalies. They do not mean that our reality is changing, or that Jesus or the Devil or some other supernatural force is attacking us or trying to prepare us for something, this isn't a government "disinfo" program trying to take people's uniqueness away ... these are just normal human frailties and failings.
We actually DO all experience these things. No one here is telling you that you're crazy. But please, for the sake of your own sanity, just equally consider the normal mundane explanations before insisting on the more fantastic ones.
I say this not to control you, or take anything away from you ... I say it as someone who spent years overtaken by every "weird" thing that came along. Rationality, logic, and basic scientific understanding can go a long way toward avoiding a lot of that disjointed, chaotic feeling that the modern world so often leaves us with.
Do your own work. Come to your own conclusions. Just don't let this stuff make you feel alone, or isolated, or worst of all "crazy" ... that you can no longer trust your own eyes or your own mind. We are all in the same boat with this stuff - together.
originally posted by: MemoryShock
Memory is an imperfect vehicle is not really being considered here? Says the guy who spent plenty of time on the topic...I never really considered changed timelines...nor will I.
Broome says that the origin of her theory came out of a discussion about whether or not Nelson Mandela died in prison. Naturally, this happened backstage at Dragon*Con.
originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
a reply to: Gryphon66
You can't win here. After I was physically threatened for pointing out the obvious I gave up on this place. You can't believe anything you read here. It's the most uninformed illogical place I've seen on the Internet so far.
Good morning friends of this universe and others! .
originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: IQPREREQUISITE
No one has mentioned this Sandy Island as part of the Mandela Effect to my knowledge.
Non-believers in the Mandela Effect all believe there are "mistakes" behind it.
Your post offers nothing new to the discussion.
Seton, meanwhile, dug into the mystery and has now published an obituary of Sandy Island in EOS, the journal of the American Geophysical Union. Her research showed that the island appeared on the 1908 edition of a British admiralty map, which indicated that Sandy Island had been discovered in 1876 in French territorial waters by the whaling ship Velocity. The location and shape of the island on the 1908 map corresponds to what can be seen in the modern, erroneous databases. The island was repeatedly “undiscovered” over ensuing decades, but it remained a shadowy presence in the cartographic world. Some maps labeled it “ED,” for “existence doubtful.” French hydrographic maps deleted Sandy Island once and for all in 1974.
Christine Phillips, spokeswoman for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, the successor to the Defense Mapping Agency, said Sandy Island hasn’t been on military maps for many years, though she was unable to specify when the island was removed from the charts. Modern cartography is far removed from the era when maps went blank around the edges or carried the warning Here Be Dragons. But experts in cartography say that the craft is, like any other human endeavor, vulnerable to error. The more information we assemble about the world, the more opportunity we create for making a mistake.
originally posted by: GoShredAK
a reply to: Gryphon66. Wait a second though. I'm pretty sure there is a recent satellite image of sandy island. Which is what makes it weird again.
I get up at four am for work so i could easily be missing something obvious. Regardless I'm off to find the pic.
There have been 235 documented sightings of milky seas since 1915 - mostly concentrated in the north-western Indian Ocean and near Indonesia. In 1985 a research vessel in the Arabian Sea took water samples during milky seas. Their conclusions were that the effect was caused by the bacteria Vibrio harveyi. Mareel is typically caused by Noctiluca scintillans (popularly known as "sea sparkle"), a dinoflagellate that glows when disturbed and is found in oceans throughout much of the world.
In 2015,July in Alleppey, Kerala, India the Phenomenon occurred and the National Institute of Oceanography and Kerala Fisheries Department researched and found that the Glittering Waves were the Result of the Noctiluca scintillans. In 2005, Steven Miller of the Naval Research Laboratory in Monterey, California, was able to match 1995 satellite images with a first-hand account of a merchant ship. U.S. Defense Meteorological Satellite Program showed the milky area to be approximately 15,400 km2 (5,900 sq mi) (roughly the size of Connecticut). The luminescent field was observed to glow over three consecutive nights. While monochromatic photos make this effect appear white, Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute scientist Steve Haddock (an author of a milky seas effect study) has commented, "the light produced by the bacteria is actually blue, not white. It is white in the graphic because of the monochromatic sensor we used, and it can appear white to the eye because the rods in our eye (used for night vision) don't discriminate color." In Shetland (where generally caused by Noctiluca scintillans), mareel has sometimes been described as being green, rather than the traditional blue or white milky seas effect seen by the rest of the world. It is not known whether this difference depends on the area, or simply a perception of a cyanic colour as being green.