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originally posted by: TombEscaper
originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: TombEscaper
Many of us have done a lot of random sampling amongst our (non-internet) peers, which has only reinforced the certainty of what we remember, through their answers.
That's ideal. Agree a number of participants (eg 50), ask them pre-agreed questions, write down their answers and present them. That would be a quick way of getting a data set that you were then able to measure.
Us who are experiencing this really need to "get our stuff together." Some sort of questionnaire for people, 20 or so questions, to get folks to see that reality is changing. When they see that they're wrong on 15 or more questions that they are sure they were right about, that may trigger an awakening.
originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
originally posted by: tigertatzen
originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: tigertatzen
Why don't people with something more than a pair of eyes to look at the sky with see what you see?
I wish I knew. If I did, I would feel a lot better about this. That has been one of the most frustrating things about the whole thing for me.
Back when this all first started, I was having a lot of physical symptoms too. The buzzing in my ear and dizziness were alarming to me so I decided to get checked out.
Blood tests, head CT, eye exams...nothing was abnormal. I'm a lupus patient so my doctor knows my baseline very well. Nothing had changed. There is no physiological cause for anything I am experiencing. So I started looking elsewhere for answers.
All I know is that I'm really seeing what I say I'm seeing. I don't know why, but I won't stop trying to find out. This has affected my life profoundly. My entire world view has done a complete 180. I used to be very dismissive of people who spoke of things such as this. Rudely so, in fact. Until it became my reality.
I have not really said anything at length about the behavior of some of the skeptics on this thread, but I feel the need to address it after reading some of the arguments here over the past couple days. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just my thoughts in general as they relate to the things being discussed in this thread.
So many people have said this already but until you actually experience this yourself, you can never fully understand what it feels like. It's not that we think we're some special class of people. I didn't ask for this, nor do I want it. If I could make it stop I would.
We're not trying to have some exclusive club here or start some new religion. Living with something like this, especially when you're aware that you can't talk about it without being ridiculed or ostracized, is a very lonely existence. It is not special at all.
All of us coming together like this and finding out that other people...MANY other people, in fact, are experiencing the same things is an indescribable relief. To finally be able to talk about this candidly, with other people who have been experiencing a similar private hell, is like being thrown a miraculous lifeline when you're struggling not to drown. And I feel pretty certain that the others experiencing this would agree with that assessment.
We don't need anyone to tell us that what we're describing is not consistent with what we know to be the laws that govern this world. We are already painfully aware of that. We are looking for the answers, and that's why we're here. We are not a bunch of uneducated fools making irrational assumptions, as so many are attempting to imply. Many of the posters here, including the OP, have spent years of their lives trying to find an explanation. We are real, intelligent, reasoning adults who are experiencing phenomena we cannot explain. We are not crazy, or imagining things, or just being paranoid.
Telling us that this is nothing, or we're making it up in our heads, or we're just remembering things wrong or being fooled by tricks of our own minds feels about as pleasant as being told when you're upset about something that matters very much to you that it's really no big deal and you should just calm down. It's condescending.
You're telling people that what they think and feel is insignificant and therefore, not worth anyone's time or attention; and by proxy, telling them that they are equally insignificant.
It puzzles me that people who insist so stubbornly that they do not believe that things like this are real seem to take an awfully keen interest in these threads. And not a passing interest either. They hang around. All of them vehemently deny any claims of condescension or mockery against them.
Yet they continue to harangue and bait and clog the thread with sardonic remarks. Either one of two things are the motivation for this. They are simply childish bullies with way too much time on their hands, or they are deliberately targeting threads like this in an attempt to derail them for some unknown purpose. Which is it? If you think it's all nonsense, then why stick around? Why not just leave all of us in peace? We're not a threat to anyone...we're all just imagining things, right?
Very well said, Tiger!
It's odd too how they imply that we are being elitist in some way, when in fact it is they who trample over us, as you lay out.
. Lol. That's good. Now its quantum! I cannot imagine the world beyond quantum.
originally posted by: RuneSpider
a reply to: Baddogma
Well, first you have to show that quantum effects have any relevance to the macro level.
Simply invoking quantum doesn't give you a scapegoat.
It's funny, it used to be that radiation was the magic buzzword. It could do anything. Make animals huge and monsterous, bestow amazing powers, even health effects!
Then before that, chemistry. It could make the dead live, bestow super powers, transport you to other planes, even!
It seems every new thing poorly understood by the general public becomes a catch all for the fantastic, until it becomes the mundane.
I eagerly await whatever the next "thing" will be.
originally posted by: Telemachos
originally posted by: babyfacebill
Long time lurker, breaking my comment cherry.
"Interview with A Vampire" which is now "Interview with THE Vampire" and
Lurker as well. Did not see this coming. I was 100% sure that it was "Interview with A Vampire".
Well, I am Greek, and searched for this online in Greek as well. Crazy think:
The translation of the movie in Greek is interview with A vampire (Συνέντευξη με Έναν βρυκόλακα).
But also, all the Greeks searching for subtitles online, write "interview with a vampire greek subs"
Ι am completely astounded
originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: RuneSpider
Thanks for taking the time to refresh/refine this ancient (lazy as heck) brain! I'm still fuzzy (heh) over that demarcation line, though, and suppose I should take the time to really re-educate myself so as not to spread more half-arsed physics /mysticism about...
but I am also interested in some of the bigger brains playing the "suppose this crap is true?" game for this alleged ME.
What in the heck could be going on IF it had validity?
originally posted by: Night Star
Wow, this thread filled up quickly. I'm with all the folks who clearly remember Berenstein, because I remember back then wondering if it was pronounces stine or steen. Berenstain would be easy as hell to pronounce, so there would be no wondering. Not only that, with stain in the word, as children we would have made fun of that.
In Star Wars, I remember Luke... then a dramatic pause "I am your father"
And The old... It's a wonderful day in THE neighborhood. We sang it all the time as kids.
And in Snow white, Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all.
I am so behind in this thread, I'd have to go over everything to see what else was mentioned. Many that I did read I wasn't sure about, but certain ones, I have no doubt no matter what anyone says.