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The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

Wow. I'm caught in a time loop.
I could swear you posted those exact videos before.




posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: tigertatzen
This is quite possibly part of it. In a way, that would almost comfort me. At least it would be an evil I'm familiar with, albeit far removed from what I have always considered my reality.


Please watch this when you can, it's only 2.09 minutes.



He shows evidence of the Berenstein Bears name.
I had posted links in this thread, linking to some of what he shows in the video.

Very weird theory that I found on the Internet
jacy
mms


Did anyone notice hop on pop

From one screen cap
Was by dr. Zeuss ??????
Cut off a bit by the framing
But
Whaaaaat

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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: TombEscaper


There are multiple implications of this "Mandela Effect," and one of the aspects of it is that there is a now a war being waged for consciousness; in actuality, it is an agenda of soul-enslavement. It would be very detrimental at this point to abandon your intuition and inner-knowingness for things that can be "verified" from outside of yourself, such as through "tangible evidence."


BINGO. We have now come to the very heart of the matter (no pun intended). This is serious #. People are waking up and realising that somehow, everything they held sacred regarding the concreteness of reality, is wrong. I personally believe we are being targeted in a very, very advanced psy-op, which had been testified about before, in Scripture, thousands of years ago. I believe that the 'hidden rulers' or 'hidden powers' of the heavens are involved - the Archons. They deal in deception |& illusion. They are jealous of Humanity. They have foisted an illusion upon our world, somehow (God only knows how) - the Mandela Effect is in essence a MISNOMER, because the actual effect is the foisting of illusion upon the masses.

The Mandela Effect only arises for those who, for whatever reason, have inadvertently rejected or somehow escaped the conditioning process which foisted the illusion on everyone else. It isn't any sort of medal of honour, or a club, or a cult - just a bunch of regular folk who somehow escaped some aspects of the conditioning. The world has been subtly changed at some near imperceptible level (albeit creating some striking changes in some examples) and the Mandela Effect is the hallmark of having evaded some aspect of the conditioning.

Someone once pointed at the sky, and said: "There's still a war going on up there.." He was being mysterious, and I believed at the time that he was referring to the Nazis having escaped the end of WW2 to continue waging aggression on the Western powers which had opposed them in the war. I believe now that he may have intended to convey something of the extraterrestrial threat. The Mandela Effect points to the existence of a severe extraterrestrial threat, in my most humble estimation.

Intuition is to be exalted - stay true to yourself. Who knows where this is all headed? I believe the deception foisted upon us is what is referred to in Scripture as "The great delusion".






Yes, I have known for some time now, through varied studies, that manipulators, or the archons, have been orchestrating and establishing what we think of as reality for millennia. But to actually see it rearing its head in an undeniable way (the ME) is a bit overwhelming. But I still have a sense that an even greater power than the archons, a BENEVOLENT power, is watching over this. And people are going to reap what they have sown. Those who want to insist and impose upon others that "what is tangible is all there is" will get what they draw to themselves, and be cast into a heavily dense (concrete) form of existence, while those whose consciousness has been opened to the possibilities of higher realities will ascend to those higher realities.

All of this relates to the left brain/right brain imbalance; the dominant masculine/submissive feminine imbalance, and all the rest. Matter vs. spirit. Matter has dominated spirit for epochs. Now, spirit is making its comeback.

This also ties in to another thing that I have known for some time, which many ancient cultures have also spoken of. That is, a "cosmic upgrade" is coming; one in which consciousness, both individual and collective, will rapidly or instantaneously evolve into a hyperspatial realm where creative manifestations will come about through that consciousness. Not through the laboriousness of tools of iron and scientific measuring devices, but through the mere thought of various creations coming into existence. We can call this the Kingdom of God, the ascension, a quantum evolution, etc. The fact is, those who want to continue to insist on concrete tangibility as a means of verifying what is real or not real will get their concrete tangibility, and will be confined to that concrete. Which I imagine will not be pleasant.

It does seem as though some have been "chosen" to experience this, which I understand makes others mad. But that is just how it seems. Those who continue to willfully fight against it are free to choose otherwise, I would think, but they do not. We may look delusional or insane, or like we are trying to start a cult, but, how or why have we been put in the position to make ourselves look like fools in this manner? Do people think we actually want this? I could do without it, but somehow, I believe it has a purpose.

All of it reminds me of the Nietzsche quote:

"Those who dance are thought of as insane by those who can't hear the music."

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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: vlawde
a reply to: TombEscaper

Although I am still convinced this whole deal IS bad memories, spot on with your evaluation of Christianity


Well, perhaps you have yet to experience it in a way that you can't deny! But yes, Christianity (which calls itself the "Body of Christ") is entombed in darkness, even as Christ's body was entombed in darkness.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 12:23 AM
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a reply to: TombEscaper

A brief comment...

No matter how much the concrete tries to stuff Jack back in-the-box he just won't stay there. Pop goes the weasel!

Get it?


I'll have more to say later.
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posted on May, 29 2016 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: alienDNA
getting to the bottom of it


Well, to get to the bottom of it just accept the facts that people have faulty memory.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 04:54 AM
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The comments from the following video are making me feel a little bit better. It was just published hours ago and it got a lot of replies from mostly new Mandela Effect believers. I'm not using an appeal to popularity. However, for me personally, every new person that remembers things the way I do makes me feel a little bit better about my own sanity.

The Mandela Effect and the Merging of Two Parallel Realities




I think he does have a good point - My memory puts South America more towards the west than where it is now. I would keep in mind that the image of Earth that the commentator is referencing is a Composite Image it is not an actual map made to scale. Given that, the discrepancies could be due to discretion and/or skill level of whoever compiled the image. It would be safer to compare memories to multiple representations in addition to thi s one - and I think I will do that now.



And also, Liberty Island indeed was much toward New York - in fact I remember as a kid being ONLY N.Y. harbor, running out there on the Staten Island (?) ferry from Port Authority that stopped at Liberty Island. This was a very long time ago so my memory may be fooling me but that is what I remember and I spent a fair amount of time in N.Y. since half my family was from there (sorry for the double dangling preposition). Yes, many things seem to have changed. People recognize me when I sit on my porch that evidently I have known for awhile and I remember nothing about them and my memory for people is very good. Indeed, it seems like we are either merged with, have jumped to another frequency realm or we were suspended and a lot of things were done during that suspension then we were awakened. I am talking about millions of years.



I also have the same recollection of World Geography



it happened about 2009. you are not nuts. my first confirmation of this happened while in the county lock up. I had been in the same block on a oui charge 25 years earlier and cleary remember the place was painted brown. I scraped paint for months searching for a trace of the earlier color and none could I find...this incident and many more became clear to me over the next several years...I am not sure but cern may have something to do with all of this...again I am certain of the shift yet another possible cause could be the galactic line up in concert with cern...and yes new zeland was to the right of Australia. I clearly remember that back in the 70s



I remember the Korea's being closer to Vietnam and not between China and Japan; Australia was more rounded and Tasmania was a lot bigger, almost it's own sub-continent



This is so bizarre. My partner and I are considering relocating so we have been looking at a lot of maps lately and virtually EVERYTHING you say is in agreement with what we think. The S.A. thing is spot on (as are the others), the location of N.Z., Australia, the Mongolia issue - we have observed virtually every thing you have. You are in company with a lot of others. Have you noticed the dramatic color change of the sun on a clear day? It is much bluer now than its previous yellow color. This is really observable when it is directly overhead. And the Florida thing - it looks like it is fatter and has been shortened. Thanks for making this video and letting us know we are not alone. I remember the Verrazano Narrows bridge.



Wow this just blew my mind. I'm from New Zealand and I had to double check on my own google earth, and yep, it seems as if we've moved.



Wow!!!! I def remember the north and south America being one above the other w Mexico being more straight ........ But the globe I own now looks just like this diagram! But I'm positive I remember it diff. Very interesting........ Some other things I agree w too. However, I don't remember all of it being like he says, but a lot of it, yes. I'm an 80's kid too. Funny thing is I don't remember anything about my life before I was 4 or 5 either and most propel I know remember their lives as toddlers .....I even remember crying because I didn't recognize my mom , or my siblings, but they knew me



boy howdy.... nailed it for me. I've been traveling dimensions since 2006. now it's happening to many. I have been wondering how many times I have died...lol...the jokes on us if we think we go somewhere without pain and suffering. It's always been an inner journey. For me, heaven and hell are within me. in other words perception



is this like the sun is way north east when it rises and i remember it more due east. Now i can confirm it because everyone in this reality believes its normal? Or last night it was after 8pm and the sun still had not set. if i switched realities...it was this week.



Great video and I will be subscribing. I was never good at geography like you, but I do remember Sicily being farther away from the tip of the boot of Italy.. But one more thing I just discovered today on the Internet at large is the change in the Bible verse Isaiah 11:6.

I am not religious. But I was sent to Sunday school for years. This famous, alliterative verse in Isaiah 11:6 said, "The lion will lay down with the lamb...and the little child will lead them." I checked online Bibles and my mother's Bible from 1926 and NOW The verse says, "the Wolf will lay down with the lamb…" I had never considered the idea that perhaps I was the one who was reabsorbed into a parallel reality. Thank you so much for your video!



You are not alone, my friend. In the bible, the word "wineskins" has been replaced with the word "bottles". The Lord's prayer too. Instead of forgive us our trespasses, it now says forgive debts. What the hell? I have come across hundreds of weird examples and that is how I know I was not born on this planet, but an alternate planet. You can't tell this to your neighbors and friends, but the Internet has allowed us to find each other... Us who are from a parallel world.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 05:05 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

That's a very enlightened response to the ME, I congratulate you for your optimism & enthusiastic reappraisal of life. I would like to be similarly positive, but the truth is, I believe there are negative powers at work.

That said, when faced with an enemy we can't even properly comprehend, the thing which enables us to overcome, is the striking war cry: "They shall never take our FREEDOM".

Good post.







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posted on May, 29 2016 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: charlyv

Nice post - it's very refreshing to see someone who doesn't really believe in the ME as such to come out and start discussing something equally weird which is of interest, and which, scientifically, is almost certainly probable, and has been discussed by the great minds of science a few times previously. This bit:


Simple objects around the house will suddenly not be there, or you will get new things, and not know where they come from... Sounds like fun, but things like that could indeed drive you nuts.


I'm confident I've read a couple of threads here on ATS about this very issue. Anecdotally, I've come across people who swore this was the case in their own experience too. Fascinating possibilities, and I applaud your open-mindedness.




posted on May, 29 2016 @ 05:30 AM
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Check out this song about the Archons. Even discusses Hollow Earth theory at one stage, I think (can't know the motivations of the songwriter, but can read into the lyrics..)






posted on May, 29 2016 @ 06:26 AM
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If someone has a package stored away that they remember purchasing as Depends, that same package will now say Depend. It's a case where someone or something has found a way to manipulate physical, tangible reality from a higher plane which transcends physical, tangible reality.


Now we're getting to the meat of the matter.

Moving on from "It is happening"...."It isn't happening" for a moment, what on Earth would need to happen in order for physical reality to change in such fundamental ways, without at the same time destroying all of Creation?

I think your stated explanation of something being manipulated from a phase of reality which transcends the ordinary plane of existence, is probably very close. It reminded me of the realm of Platonic solids, where the fundamental forms are elsewhere in Reality, while the reflections of those things are manifest upon the Earth plane.

Also, in Scripture, we have "..for now we see through a mirror darkly.." The Reality we experience is somehow 'blueprinted' elsewhere in the Cosmos, in another dimension of sorts.

Knowing that the astral plane is usually a good mirror of the Earthly plane, is there a fundamentally 'higher' plane of reality, in which manipulations of small sorts, will impact in manifestations of actual changes here on Earth? I get the feeling that it may be so.

These Archons appear to have the ability to access a 'Causal' or 'Mental' plane of existence - the prime causes, forms etc of all things here on the Earth plane, are manifest primarily in some other, more fundamental state. Whether it would be a physical representation, or just an informational soup, who can say. But I really do think that these beings are able to access and manipulate at least a part of that sphere of Reality, and that this is what is leading to changes which are beyond the realm of time. As people have said, even the ancient commercials for 'Depend/s' are affected equally as more recent versions. Thus, whatever is causing the effect, is not limited by Time in the same way that we are here on Earth.

An ability to penetrate & manipulate the Causal Plane, is likely what we're dealing with. The ramifications, and possible limitations imposed on the entities causing these changes, are unknown presently. I very much doubt they have unlimited access - they have just enough access to muck around with smaller details of Reality, to cause panic & confusion perhaps. Deception & Illusion 101. Courtesy of the Archons, our enemies from another realm.




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posted on May, 29 2016 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: FlyInTheOintment


Moving on from "It is happening"...."It isn't happening" for a moment, what on Earth would need to happen in order for physical reality to change in such fundamental ways, without at the same time destroying all of Creation?


Of course, if it isn't happening it requires no explanation.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: TombEscaper

What you are preaching on this thread is Gnosticism.* I can respect that as a belief system, but you are cheapening it by seizing upon a silly internet meme as "proof" of its validity. Instead of desperately trying to convince the masses that their mistaken recollection of the spelling of proper names is the first glimmer of their incipient elevation to godhood, why don't you take your sermons to a loftier forum?

If what you are teaching is an Eternal Truth, you should not weigh it down with a silly fad that will be forgotten as quickly as it caught on.

*Gnosticism is a Christian heresy often conflated with Satanism.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: TombEscaper


...organized religion, including Christianity, must be destroyed in order to clear the way for humanity to ascend to a higher existence...

...What we will have to eventually come to accept is that Christianity is not of Christ, and does not truly represent Christ


I've been following this thread closely as you know, and generally I find you have some execllent information to add. However, I think you jumped the shark with this one.

I'm Christian, and the church I belong to does a fantastic job of representing Christ & the Spirit of which he spoke whilst here on Earth. I'm something of a natural mystic, not by deliberate choice, but mainly because I'm disabled and spend a lot of time in bed reflecting on what I know, spending time in prayer, and so on. This lifestyle of reflection leads to ecstatic & visionary experiences, along with dreams which are guided & full of symbolism directly related to my walk with God - all of which is very much in line with the teachings of Christ.

As a Christian, I have no trouble at all absorbing the reality of the Mandela Effect. I Have stressed previously that I believe the Archons are behind this - but just because I've utilised a concept straight out of Gnosticism, doesn't mean I support that worldview (I don't), and I don't think that a discussion about being chosen to ascend is relevant at all. I believe that there was a shred of information preserved in Gnostic writings, but there's a hell of a lot of hogwash too. The people who have experienced Mandela Effects are from all walks of life. I'm a Christian; TigerTatzen identifies as 'the witchy one' - there are many examples of our differences. What draws us together is not 'being chosen to ascend' - it is purely the reality of the Mandela Effect having had a direct influence on us in some fashion.

I really think it's a bad idea to start trying to draw people into Gnostic ways of thinking, suffused with the 'chosen to ascend' theory. Rather, we should be pragmatic, and speak in secular terms. This is a METAPHYSICAL issue, not a theological one. I may believe that it's best for everyone in this thread to have a personal relationship with the infinite cosmic Christ, but I can't start evangelising mid-thread. I believe that we should stay well away from such things, and discuss the practicalities only - the nuts & bolts, rather than any possible philosophical/ theological ramifications. I have mentioned previously that I have a suspicion that the hand of the Creator is visible through some aspects of the ME, in the fact that we have avoided some sort of mass illusory conditioning - perhaps we are being shielded from the effects by God - but that's as far as I went, and I really suggest that we go no further with any form of proselytysing.

Claiming that Christianity needs to be destroyed is a very aggressive & narrow-minded viewpoint, and does not in any way contribute to this discussion.




posted on May, 29 2016 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

You just scored the most interesting development in Mandela Effect theory that I've come across so far.

Positing that the 'bleed-throughs' are in fact not random, but deliberately chosen metaphors which can be interpreted, against the backdrop of the question "What is Reality?" Fascinating thoughts, and I reckoned your initial interpretations were quite canny too. Great contribution! I hope the ME experiencers come back into this one swinging, because there might be something more to find!




posted on May, 29 2016 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: Profusion
The comments from the following video are making me feel a little bit better. It was just published hours ago and it got a lot of replies from mostly new Mandela Effect believers. I'm not using an appeal to popularity. However, for me personally, every new person that remembers things the way I do makes me feel a little bit better about my own sanity.




I think he does have a good point - My memory puts South America more towards the west than where it is now. I would keep in mind that the image of Earth that the commentator is referencing is a Composite Image it is not an actual map made to scale. Given that, the discrepancies could be due to discretion and/or skill level of whoever compiled the image. It would be safer to compare memories to multiple representations in addition to thi s one - and I think I will do that now.



And also, Liberty Island indeed was much toward New York - in fact I remember as a kid being ONLY N.Y. harbor, running out there on the Staten Island (?) ferry from Port Authority that stopped at Liberty Island. This was a very long time ago so my memory may be fooling me but that is what I remember and I spent a fair amount of time in N.Y. since half my family was from there (sorry for the double dangling preposition). Yes, many things seem to have changed. People recognize me when I sit on my porch that evidently I have known for awhile and I remember nothing about them and my memory for people is very good. Indeed, it seems like we are either merged with, have jumped to another frequency realm or we were suspended and a lot of things were done during that suspension then we were awakened. I am talking about millions of years.





Wow this just blew my mind. I'm from New Zealand and I had to double check on my own google earth, and yep, it seems as if we've moved.



Wow!!!! I def remember the north and south America being one above the other w Mexico being more straight ........ But the globe I own now looks just like this diagram! But I'm positive I remember it diff. Very interesting........ Some other things I agree w too. However, I don't remember all of it being like he says, but a lot of it, yes. I'm an 80's kid too. Funny thing is I don't remember anything about my life before I was 4 or 5 either and most propel I know remember their lives as toddlers .....I even remember crying because I didn't recognize my mom , or my siblings, but they knew me



boy howdy.... nailed it for me. I've been traveling dimensions since 2006. now it's happening to many. I have been wondering how many times I have died...lol...the jokes on us if we think we go somewhere without pain and suffering. It's always been an inner journey. For me, heaven and hell are within me. in other words perception



is this like the sun is way north east when it rises and i remember it more due east. Now i can confirm it because everyone in this reality believes its normal? Or last night it was after 8pm and the sun still had not set. if i switched realities...it was this week.



Great video and I will be subscribing. I was never good at geography like you, but I do remember Sicily being farther away from the tip of the boot of Italy.. But one more thing I just discovered today on the Internet at large is the change in the Bible verse Isaiah 11:6.

I am not religious. But I was sent to Sunday school for years. This famous, alliterative verse in Isaiah 11:6 said, "The lion will lay down with the lamb...and the little child will lead them." I checked online Bibles and my mother's Bible from 1926 and NOW The verse says, "the Wolf will lay down with the lamb…" I had never considered the idea that perhaps I was the one who was reabsorbed into a parallel reality. Thank you so much for your video!



You are not alone, my friend. In the bible, the word "wineskins" has been replaced with the word "bottles". The Lord's prayer too. Instead of forgive us our trespasses, it now says forgive debts. What the hell? I have come across hundreds of weird examples and that is how I know I was not born on this planet, but an alternate planet. You can't tell this to your neighbors and friends, but the Internet has allowed us to find each other... Us who are from a parallel world.




Thank you for this. Perhaps now we can get down to the business of figuring out what is actually going on. I'm fairly certain I already know, but to FULLY know how it's all going to play out, we have to start looking for specific things everywhere in our world...the sky, the trees...everything. So many people have stated repeatedly that it is ridiculous to believe that some time shift happened that only affected things we see on the internet...effectively cheapening the entire event by attempting to reduce it to something trivial. I actually agree with that...though not to the same end. There are changes everywhere.

I still don't think it's a time shift, at least not in the sense that it was some bizarre, accidental side effect of shenanigans happening at CERN. If they are responsible for this, they are working as one part of a larger operation. A facilitator, nothing more. A means to a purpose.

This is far bigger than CERN. I am not a christian and despise the use of the word "christianity" because the entire religion is a complete fallacy, and I've watched too many people I've cared about get sucked into the lie. But I also understand that these "Archons" are responsible for that lie, and it is not the fault of the humans who blindly believe it.

I also know that there is a power even greater than they are, who are going to set things right. But how? The answers are there. They always have been. They've just been obfuscated by lies and deception. It's up to us to cut through the BS and find the truths which have been hidden from us.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 11:42 AM
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All his post showed is that a lot of people have the same misperceptions and fallible memory.

It proves that the human mind works the same way no matter who it's in, hence people make the same common mistakes.

This has all been covered by scientific material that had been linked to.

a reply to: tigertatzen



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: TombEscaper


...organized religion, including Christianity, must be destroyed in order to clear the way for humanity to ascend to a higher existence...

...What we will have to eventually come to accept is that Christianity is not of Christ, and does not truly represent Christ


I've been following this thread closely as you know, and generally I find you have some execllent information to add. However, I think you jumped the shark with this one.

I'm Christian, and the church I belong to does a fantastic job of representing Christ & the Spirit of which he spoke whilst here on Earth. I'm something of a natural mystic, not by deliberate choice, but mainly because I'm disabled and spend a lot of time in bed reflecting on what I know, spending time in prayer, and so on. This lifestyle of reflection leads to ecstatic & visionary experiences, along with dreams which are guided & full of symbolism directly related to my walk with God - all of which is very much in line with the teachings of Christ.

As a Christian, I have no trouble at all absorbing the reality of the Mandela Effect. I Have stressed previously that I believe the Archons are behind this - but just because I've utilised a concept straight out of Gnosticism, doesn't mean I support that worldview (I don't), and I don't think that a discussion about being chosen to ascend is relevant at all. I believe that there was a shred of information preserved in Gnostic writings, but there's a hell of a lot of hogwash too. The people who have experienced Mandela Effects are from all walks of life. I'm a Christian; TigerTatzen identifies as 'the witchy one' - there are many examples of our differences. What draws us together is not 'being chosen to ascend' - it is purely the reality of the Mandela Effect having had a direct influence on us in some fashion.

I really think it's a bad idea to start trying to draw people into Gnostic ways of thinking, suffused with the 'chosen to ascend' theory. Rather, we should be pragmatic, and speak in secular terms. This is a METAPHYSICAL issue, not a theological one. I may believe that it's best for everyone in this thread to have a personal relationship with the infinite cosmic Christ, but I can't start evangelising mid-thread. I believe that we should stay well away from such things, and discuss the practicalities only - the nuts & bolts, rather than any possible philosophical/ theological ramifications. I have mentioned previously that I have a suspicion that the hand of the Creator is visible through some aspects of the ME, in the fact that we have avoided some sort of mass illusory conditioning - perhaps we are being shielded from the effects by God - but that's as far as I went, and I really suggest that we go no further with any form of proselytysing.

Claiming that Christianity needs to be destroyed is a very aggressive & narrow-minded viewpoint, and does not in any way contribute to this discussion.



I think the labeling of forces that we do not fully comprehend has been a large part of the problem all along. Obviously, we have to refer to it as something...I personally do not like the moniker "Archons"...I feel it is like the adage of not speaking the name of a demon because to do so is to give it power. I do NOT for one second believe in demons, simply using that example...I want to be perfectly clear here. It works the same in life; if someone gravely wrongs me, I do not speak their name or talk about them if possible, because all it does is put them in charge of my feelings and emotions, a power which they do not deserve. To me, this is much the same.

Religion Is like that too, in my opinion. Invoking a deity and making one being responsible for everything is tantamount to saying that we have zero control here, when I do not believe that to be true at all. We have, as a civilization on the whole, given up our own power to the belief that we are helpless and weak and need someone else to come and save us. We don't. Someone IS helping us...but like a good parent, that someone fully expects us to help ourselves, too. And like spoiled, sheltered children, we have forgotten how. It is a fact that if you lie in bed for weeks on end and do not use your limbs, you will have to relearn how to use them again. This is much like that.

I certainly am not mocking anyone for their beliefs...I simply see things very differently...I'm an oddity like that, even within my own "religion". I believe that religion and spirituality are two very separate things, and when we try to merge them together, we miss the bigger picture. We get bogged down by words and labels and preconceived ideas about things. Which is precisely what has enabled the beings responsible for things like this to continue so successfully with their deception for as long as they have. I do believe their time is growing short, and I do believe that the Bible, as well as other ancient texts, holds a lot of the answers. If we could just look at the message, as it is, without the trappings of doctrine, I believe everything would quickly become much clearer.

There is nothing any of us can do to change the minds of people who refuse to see. Arguing with them does nothing but continue to give them the power by which to affect our emotions and create a stronger block to deeper understanding. It is a waste of time and energy, and yes, that is by design too...although not their own. We already know we're on the right track, and we can actually thank their relentless attention to this subject for providing confirmation of that. If it truly were "silly", they would have left it alone long before now. Continuing to reply to them only serves to demean ourselves. It's time to move past that now, and work together to find the truth.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 12:05 PM
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Oh how I wished that you were one that would come to her senses, but instead you are now also lost to this psy-op/virus/cancer that is spreading.
Sigh.
Its so sad.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: TombEscaper


If someone has a package stored away that they remember purchasing as Depends, that same package will now say Depend. It's a case where someone or something has found a way to manipulate physical, tangible reality from a higher plane which transcends physical, tangible reality.


Now we're getting to the meat of the matter.

Moving on from "It is happening"...."It isn't happening" for a moment, what on Earth would need to happen in order for physical reality to change in such fundamental ways, without at the same time destroying all of Creation?

I think your stated explanation of something being manipulated from a phase of reality which transcends the ordinary plane of existence, is probably very close. It reminded me of the realm of Platonic solids, where the fundamental forms are elsewhere in Reality, while the reflections of those things are manifest upon the Earth plane.

Also, in Scripture, we have "..for now we see through a mirror darkly.." The Reality we experience is somehow 'blueprinted' elsewhere in the Cosmos, in another dimension of sorts.

Knowing that the astral plane is usually a good mirror of the Earthly plane, is there a fundamentally 'higher' plane of reality, in which manipulations of small sorts, will impact in manifestations of actual changes here on Earth? I get the feeling that it may be so.

These Archons appear to have the ability to access a 'Causal' or 'Mental' plane of existence - the prime causes, forms etc of all things here on the Earth plane, are manifest primarily in some other, more fundamental state. Whether it would be a physical representation, or just an informational soup, who can say. But I really do think that these beings are able to access and manipulate at least a part of that sphere of Reality, and that this is what is leading to changes which are beyond the realm of time. As people have said, even the ancient commercials for 'Depend/s' are affected equally as more recent versions. Thus, whatever is causing the effect, is not limited by Time in the same way that we are here on Earth.

An ability to penetrate & manipulate the Causal Plane, is likely what we're dealing with. The ramifications, and possible limitations imposed on the entities causing these changes, are unknown presently. I very much doubt they have unlimited access - they have just enough access to muck around with smaller details of Reality, to cause panic & confusion perhaps. Deception & Illusion 101. Courtesy of the Archons, our enemies from another realm.





They can only manipulate the physical, to change our reality. They cannot manipulate anyone at a "soul level", and that is their Achilles' heel. I don't know what tweetie meant earlier when she said "pop goes the weasel", but that particular phrase resonates with me. Somehow, they've not been able to keep some of us contained in our little fabricated box. And now, more and more people are "popping out", too.

Maybe the "special snowflake" contingent have been more accurate than we realized. My daddy always said, very firmly and often, that there are leaders in this world and there are followers. I have never been a follower, and maybe that's why this happened to me. I don't know. But we've been accused of having "leaders" and of being followers of some "cult", numerous times here. I believe that it is actually the other way around. We refuse to follow, refuse to allow others to subvert and suppress our voice, because we are choosing to think for ourselves, and that has made us into targets for those who...for whatever reason...don't want us to talk about this.

Well, I've been a target before. And I'm sure it's not the last time either. I no longer care. I am choosing to consider them lost, and accept that it is not my place to worry about what happens to them from here on out. We cannot be responsible for other people. We can only be responsible for ourselves. I feel that this is a clear message being given to us.

"Chosen" or not, this is our physical reality now. We can either become frightened and helpless, or we can see this as an opportunity to learn and understand. I cannot speak for anyone else, but frightened and helpless are two things that simply don't work for me personally. I did not get this far in life by being meek, and I'm certainly not about to start now. And I'm fairly certain that the majority of us on this thread are not too different from each other in that respect.



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