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Trump outlines "America-first" foreign policy plans , Be Afraid , Be very Afraid !

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posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr




Look at the Russian campaign they have cleared entire areas of ISIS as well as other opisition to Assad. Why does this work simple they don't have restrictions trying to prevent civilian casualties. They really don't care if they know terrorists are their they hit it. If civilians are there they look at it like they were supporting terrorists. The US choices on this are simple either close the borders and play defense or bomb them until they no longer have any support left. So which one do you prefer bombing or closed borders???????


ISIS are spread across Syria and Iraq with cells and leaders throughout the ME. They draw people from dozens of countries. It's not a 'simple' choice between 'bombing or closed borders.'

FWIW I love how you equate 'civilian causalities' with supporters of terrorism before saying:



bomb them until they no longer have any support left


Popular estimates say there are up to ~35000 ISIS fighters. Bombing a few million people to kill the ~35000 seems slightly over the top.

YMMV




posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 12:56 AM
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Fearing a Trump presidency is like fearing what color sign lights will be used in the next big Las Vegas Casino. While money and labor is involved, and certainly illegal activities behind the scenes intended to change economic revenues, very little changes about how people live out their day to day lives, unless you happen to be a lighting electrician for casinos, or own the reservation land that is being confiscated to build one.

Trump is most like the behind the scenes Russian oligarchs that led Russia out of the rubble of the end of the cold war. While he has enemies and friends in the international community, and certainly has an impact, he is not the kind of person who desires unpleasant war, or likes to stir up trouble that won't improve his bottom line. Trump is the most consistent candidate in the Republican party, and possibly the most consistent of them all. His presentation is virtually identical to the hypothetical presentation to Oprah Winfrey in the 1980s, available for viewing on youtube. The main difference is brown hair and less wrinkles. Politically, Trump hasn't changed very much since his independent party support during the rise and fall of Ross Perot. It was called the reform party.

Examine the tenets of that party:

1. Maintaining a balanced budget, ensured by passing a Balanced Budget Amendment and changing budgeting practices, and paying down the federal debt
2. Campaign finance reform, including strict limits on campaign contributions and the outlawing of the Political action committee
3. Enforcement of existing immigration laws and opposition to illegal immigration
4. Opposition to free trade agreements like the North American Free Trade Agreement and Central America Free Trade Agreement, and a call for withdrawal from the World Trade Organization
5. Term limits on U.S. Representatives and Senators
6. Direct election of the United States President by popular vote
7. Federal elections held on weekends

Tenet 3: Illegal immigration. That's Trump's Wall.
Tenet 4: Opposition to Trade Agreements that benefit foreigners at the expense of American workers. There's your Carrier Air Conditioning Union Workers.
Tenet 6: The idea that popular votes should have real impact on elections. Case in point, Colorado Caucus. You probably noticed Bernie Sanders also stands to gain from this point.


Tenet 2: Notice how Trump likes to be mostly self funding, and lambasts candidates that appear to be puppets and the existence of superpacs?

What people have the most to gain from this analysis is the complete lack of opinion on subjects such as abortion, gender issues, race, religion, and education. If you think Trump has strong Democrat or Republican feelings on these other issues, you would be misreading the political ideology that is his core.

Trump does have concerns not listed here, but they are reactionary, and frankly human. His experience in Europe told him the immigration and Islamic problem there was going to be bad, and it was. That's not a political opinion, it's a personal anecdote. His notion of wanting a restoration of Christian values isn't because he's an Evangelical Christian, but because he reads stories about the war on Christmas, sees the familiar statues and monuments torn down, and is accosted by those who demand he change familiar patterns of traditions. A person does not have to be Buddhist to be disturbed to see Islamic terrorists using explosives to destroy a giant Buddhist statue traditionally considered a world heritage site.
Trump became a billionaire during the cold war. Now he is running for president and sees a communist North Korea firing missiles and detonating atomic bombs. He sees the middle eastern terrorists making a strong effort at forming a caliphate state, and he sees a trade deal by the current president that is enabling a nuclear Iran. This is where Trump's belief in the Nuclear Threat comes from. It is not because he is a warmonger or hawk. Likewise, growing rich during the 1980s, he looks to the example of Ronald Reagan for solutions, and remembers the Berlin Wall coming down, remembers the strong American military with it's extremely expensive space aged technology, and believes that is probably what will work once more.

Trump sees Bruce Jenner, and a South Carolina Governor, and being far passed retirement age has little opinion on the matter. But when he sees the 40% drop in the manufacturing, the shutdown of power plants and mines, the reduction of production of steel, documentaries on places like Flint Michigan, etc., with each issue, he is simply doing what anyone who reads several news articles each day would do. He draws his own conclusions and formulates opinions.

If it's not part of the subjects listed in the above tenets, or things he said he would probably do while talking to Oprah, you can be sure that his opinion on the matter is not political, it is reactionary to all the reports on the issue, the media, and the letters and conversations he receives personally. In this way, on these issues, like gender, war, ISIS, common core, gun control, and health care, Trump is just like the Tay Artificial Intelligence:

Whatever you, the people tell him to worry about, he's going to exemplify those thoughts, not because he has an agenda, but because that's just the opinion of either the masses, or the logical conclusion one might expect from skimming dozens of news articles on the topic. Many people are reading way too deeply into these issues. Trump would not bother trying to fix these other issues unless it was blatantly obvious that any intelligent person would do something about it if they could. They are not native to his Reform Party Agenda.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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I have little confidence that Trump himself has the answers to the issues he brings up, nor even has the solutions to the proposed "fixes" he mentions. It's a simple thing to blather in front of an audience about the great things you will do. Quite another to actually do them. His knowledge on foreign policy, powers, and people should alarm anyone with an ounce of common sense.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: gortex

So, Shall we prepare for war now? or Is he going to give us a small peaceful holiday period before he steam rolls us all?

The only valid reason that Trumps is doing so well, is due to the mass hysteria of the general public and fear of immigration; and a few other factors which he is solely abusing in order to get a footing.

History seems to repeat itself! No?

Haven't we learned that the last politician that used the same tactics that are applied by Trump, turned out to be a genocidal dictator who's name we seem to have forgotten and even the younger generation has no clue of who he was.

Wasn't his name Hipster or Alf? No, but seriously jokes a side - Does Trump remind you guys of Hitler? Cause I just can't shake the uneasy similarities in the political approach prior to the mass arrests, staged acts of attacks, mass propaganda etc;

Pardon, my paranoia but I'm thinking of looking into immigrating before he gets sworn in. Is anyone else doing the same?

What country you guys thinking of moving to?



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 09:11 AM
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Remember boys and girls! When in doubt - BUILD A WALL!


Just picture it for a moment, every time we address Trump if he becomes Potus; about how he will solve a certain issue - He will answer with 'We're going to build a wall!'

The comedy value is priceless!



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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I think you have a very incorrect misconception regarding why Trump is supported. You may want to do some reading in these threads.

Trump has never said he wants war. He has talked about negotiating with other countries. He will make better deals than our current administration has made, and will make sure America is treated fairly in such deals.

And, you have repeated the Hitler comparison a couple of times today now. Nothing about Trump has anything in common with Hitler, and is used by those buying into false rhetoric and not understanding his policies.


edit on 5/5/16 by BlueAjah because: eta

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posted on May, 5 2016 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: TheChuckster

There is nothing wrong with building a wall to protect the US from mass ILLEGAL immigration.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: gortex

Welp you guys elected Obama and the ME is embroiled in war now.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: gortex

Welp you guys elected Obama and the ME is embroiled in war now.


When has the ME not been embroiled in war?



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 06:27 PM
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Here we go!

I have a problem with the title of this thread. "Trump outlines "America-first" foreign policy plans , Be Afraid , Be very Afraid!"

Except for those who simply hate the man and will say anything to disparage him...why is "America First" a problem? I'm a Father and I believe in MY family first. Hell...my family expects that from me as I'm sure your's does from you. I am a pet owner and my pet comes first above other's pets. Sure...other families and pets come a close second, but mine come first for me. That is the way it is supposed to be.

So why is there a problem with our President believing that we...the American citizens should come first before the rest of the world? If my child and another person's child is in jeopardy...I'm sorry...but my child comes first. I will do everything in my power and maybe even risk my life for that second child. But mine comes first. I expect the same from my President.

Every other country considers their people and themselves first. Every other person, group, etc. considers their own people and lives first and foremost. Why is that wrong for our country and our President? Granted...we have been dying at the hands of a President and a political party that thinks America should actually be last. Illegals come first...Muslims that just feel like coming here come first...the majority who want their own bathroom are persecuted for wanting to be considered first...and on, and on, and on. Your jobs don't come first to them. Your success doesn't come first to them. Your family doesn't come first to them. They are willing to allow illegals to stay in the USA even if it means (and it has) the death of a citizen's family members. Understand that...this President and government consider YOUR life secondary to allowing illegals to stay here.

Raise your hand if you think our government should consider us...the people and us...the majority first! Yes, consider everyone else also. But not first. Not the priority. THAT is what a President does. THAT is what someone we look up to does. THAT is not what we have...but what we hope to have with Donald Trump. Family first...majority first...America first.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 06:31 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Nice long tirade over the title.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Nice long tirade over the title.

Thank you! I do my best



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE



Closest I can find to raising my hand.

Very well said!!!! Perfect explanation for why this country needs Trump!



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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it wouldn't be a matter of IF Trump started a war in his first 100 days.

It would be a matter of HOW MANY.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: gortex

Welp you guys elected Obama and the ME is embroiled in war now.


You're an idiot. The Middle East has been embroiled in wars for millennia. Obama didn't have anything to do with the current situation, and Trump won't be able to do anything to solve it.

If you think any differently, you've drunk too deep from the Trump Kool Aid.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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Bombing a few million people to kill the ~35000 seems slightly over the top


Not for a Republican. They have no regard for life except in campaign slogans.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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a reply to: CB328

WHICH is why an outsider is popular.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 07:21 PM
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What a complete clown come on Russia and China please save America from America own stupidity.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: jmarioneaux

Welcome to ATS!

Please elaborate.
What are Russia and China supposed to save America from, and how?



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

Thank you for welcoming me to the community I like Trump idea of getting out of the Middle East and I think we need to buddy up with Russia they are a great asset.



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