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Mother of transgender student urges SC school district to update bathroom policy

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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

To keep things uniform and less confusing, we first need to refer to "transgenders" by their birth sex as opposed to their self-identified gender.

A person's birth sex has to determine the appropriate restroom, regardless of whether or not he wants to wear a dress or she wants to wear a football uniform.

While I am a FIRM believer in freedom, there are certain constructs within society.

For example, while at work, I have to control myself, I have to act a certain way regardless of whether or not I want to.

When I leave work, I can do whatever I want (until I get arrested).

A person does not always get to do what they want, when they want, how they want.


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a reply to: RedDragon

It has been brought to my attention that the terms "sex" and "gender" are not interchangeable.

I would imagine that there are a lot of people who dont know that they are using the terminology incorrectly.

People's intent should still be taken into consideration.

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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 12:54 PM
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Want a day off school? Use the wrong bathroom.

If its been suggested, sorry. How about a difference stall in each bathroom?

Only labeling it is required to changeover to 'accommodate' any confusion.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: Deaf Alien

To keep things uniform and less confusing, we first need to refer to "transgenders" by their birth gender as opposed to the gender they would like to be.


That would be their sex, not their gender. This is why there's even an argument in the first place: most conservative minded people here have no experience with transgenderism and so they use the words sex and gender interchangeably.

So, conservatives are using the wrong word and, instead of correcting them like an honest person would do, liberals knowingly pretend to be arguing against something that conservatives never meant to say. They think this is 'winning' a debate. All it really does is create confusion and lead to fights.

You don't want gender-separated bathrooms. If you did, you'd be on the left-wing side in this. You want sex-separated bathrooms.
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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

You know, not all people agree with you! Just because some of us don't agree with the transgender restroom argument doesn't make us the minority. People who were born with the correct plumbing have the right to their privacy. Our government doesn't have the right to force someone to give up their privacy for an LGBT movement that's trying to make this issue politically correct. All we hear is the rights of the transgender, what about the rights for the rest of us? Just because those boys didn't realize she was a girl, doesn't make it right! If a heterosexual man can dress up as a beautiful women and use the ladies restroom without being noticed, does that make it right?

In defense of Metallicus, it doesn't matter how long someone has been around on ATS, people don't conform to other people's opinions whether their popular or not. They have a right to disagree and you should respect that.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: WeRpeons
Our government doesn't have the right to force someone to give up their privacy for an LGBT movement that's trying to make this issue politically correct.



Actually, they do.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic.

Equal Rights has nothing to do with majority.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: slapjacks
Here's a simple solution. Instead of monetizing everything by debates/rules/regulations put that time, effort and money into simply adding a third restroom. Done. Argument closed.

That is seriously what I've been thinking. I know they have at some places 'the family' restroom. But why not make a third bathroom for unisex. Or make all bathrooms unisex. Because I understand adding a bathroom would be costly.

About the thread. Imho, if she identifies as a boy, then I feel she needs to get a sex change and get the proper changes, and until then go to the right gender bathroom or unisex bathroom.
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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons



They have a right to disagree and you should respect that.

I do but I was talking about his use of strawmen's argument. He should respect our intelligence. His post makes no sense in the context of this thread.

It's an insult to one's intelligence to use his strawmen's argument. It's no different from comparing this to people who think they are dogs and demanding that they pee and poop wherever they want.


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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:15 PM
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How many threads have I seen lately about bathroom issues?

This place is going to the toilet.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WeRpeons
Our government doesn't have the right to force someone to give up their privacy for an LGBT movement that's trying to make this issue politically correct.



Actually, they do.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic.

Equal Rights has nothing to do with majority.


Equal?
How can that be when, one way or another, someone is going to be mandated to absolve their right to privacy and be inconvenienced?

This is pandering, pure and simple...



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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Whose equal rights?

Person a is uncomfortable using using a certain bathroom because it does not correspond with the gender they feel they really are.

Person b is uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone who is not the same biological gender as they are.

Who should have the right to tell the other to suck it up and be uncomfortable?



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: WeRpeons



They have a right to disagree and you should respect that.

I do but I was talking about his use of strawmen's argument. He should respect our intelligence. His post makes no sense in the context of this thread.

It's an insult to one's intelligence to use his strawmen's argument. It's no different from comparing this to people who think they are dogs and demanding that they pee and poop wherever they want.



That wasn't a strawman fallacy. A strawman expands on the original statement, adding tangents that you never proposed. Example from wikipedia:

A: We should relax the laws on beer.
B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.

The strawman rebuttal in B added things onto A's statement and refuted things that A never said.

The guy earlier in the thread was setting up analogies that matched up 1:1 with an "If (gender/sex) then (bathroom)" statement. The items inside the parenthesis are variables that the guy analogized. There were no extra tangents added. A strawman would have been "If (gender/sex) then (bathroom) then (strawman stuff here)".

So, no, what he said was a valid point that you dismissed out-of-hand emotionally by calling it names.

Also, by not correcting people on misusing the terms gender and sex when you know they're unintentionally using them interchangeably, you're guilty of encouraging the equivocation fallacy. en.wikipedia.org...

"Equivocation ("to call by the same name") is an informal logical fallacy. It is the misleading use of a term with more than one meaning or sense (by glossing over which meaning is intended at a particular time). It generally occurs with polysemic words (words with multiple meanings)."

That's 2 fallacies going.
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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:29 PM
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Sorry you don't understand what strawmen's fallacy means. Transgenderism is a real phenomenon, proven by science. They ACTUALLY think they are of the opposite sex (they are aware of their bodies mind you. They are not stupid). Comparing this to someone wishing he would be 30 years younger is the fallacy. Besides don't all of us want to be younger? Isn't that why we exercise and eat right?



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: Annee

Whose equal rights?

Person a is uncomfortable using using a certain bathroom because it does not correspond with the gender they feel they really are.

Person b is uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone who is not the same biological gender as they are.

Who should have the right to tell the other to suck it up and be uncomfortable?


Public toilets are for health reasons - - to control human waste.

They are NOT someone's private personal sanctuary.

EVERYONE needs to PEE.

Transgenders have been using public toilets all along and no one said anything, because there is no issue.

This is being blown up because of Trans Students, yeah Kids. This bill was meant to target Schools and Trans Kids.

Trans kids in school (and their parents) have been going public and demanding their rights.

That's where all the fear mongering started.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: Annee




They are NOT someone's private personal sanctuary. 

EVERYONE needs to PEE. 


I agree with you.

But this thread is about a person who is uncomfortable using a bathroom that does not correspond with the sex they were born as.

I don't care either way but obviously a lot of people do.

So whose right to comfort is more valid in this case?



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: rockintitz

Nobody had any problem for three years until that teacher complained for some reason.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:49 PM
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I'd say the kids'. If it wasn't a problem for so long, why is it suddenly a problem now? I'll tell you why, because of politics. That's why.
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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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He is obviously using a stall.

Who cares? Well, apparently the one teacher, so, I guess...who should care?

If you can stomach the aftermath of what I put out...feel free to have a seat in the stall next to me.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: rockintitz

I'd say the kids'. If it wasn't a problem for so long, why is it suddenly a problem now? I'll tell you why, because of politics. That's why.



You happen to be right: politics. In the 90s see, people had class. The few who "just had it" or were hot enough to do so, just snuck on in to the women's restroom. People might have had to contend with people saying "hurty things" and "rude jokes" about any number of the fifty things that made the extreme porn section, that were obviously extreme and meant to provoke conversation. Oh no you don't say? What used to be a thing some did to get their rocks off has now become a niggly little pet cause for reasons I can't begin to imagine. And now everyone is on the special "lookout" left and right, for each their own reason, for that one or two people in their bathroom. Politics.

Edit. I forgot this thread was about kids. Oh well. It used to be that it wasn't as kids subject anyway, and the kids got on just fine because society found a way to cope.
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posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: breakingbs

Transgenderism didn't just pop up within the last 16 or so years... It has existed for millennia.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: Annee



This is being blown up because of Trans Students, yeah Kids. This bill was meant to target Schools and Trans Kids.

Trans kids in school (and their parents) have been going public and demanding their rights.

That's where all the fear mongering started.



Yes, like all the fear mongering when we were debating same sex marriage. "People are going to start marrying their toasters!" "It's going to ruin the sanctity of marriage!" "We're all gonna die!" Didn't happen.

Transgender kids whose parents are allowing them to live as their identified gender, look and sound like their identified gender. The other kids don't usually have any problem with it (unless they have been manipulated by transphobic parents).



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