Obama: U.S. prepping 'shield' to counter North Korea

The United States is readying a "shield" to protect itself from "low-level" threats from North Korea, which has conducted multiple nuclear and ballistic missile tests this year, according to President Obama. "One of the things that we have been doing is spending a lot more time positioning our missile development systems, so that even as we try to resolve the underlying problem of nuclear development inside of North Korea, we're also setting up a shield that can at least block the relatively low-level threats that they're posing now," Obama said in an interview with CBS News that aired Tuesday.

so NK is on the offensive? and were going to set up missiles....

are people just buying into all this. how many countries threaten the US, from Venezuela to all of the middle east.
are we doom to let history repeat itself, and drag SK an JP like we dragged other European countries in Iraq and the rest (all of them)
why is this the only answer we know as a country. we are we the only answering, when other NEAR by countries CAN answer.

why dont we start leaving countries alone, how man years it took for the people in notorious regimes gone by to realize what they were supporting. .... history is written by the victors, but history is not accurate.


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a reply to: odzeandennz

While I agree that the US should leave other countries alone NK is different.
They have directly threatened us recently.
And their leader is none too stable.
SK is a huge trading partner with the US. If they suffer the US economy will go into recession.

We can't take these threats lying down.
NK's missile program is not on par with ours but they can and do have accidents.
One of theirs could fail to reach orbit and impact on the US. Then what do you tell the public ?

Do you know how many submarines NK has ? 70+
That's more than any other country excluding the US.
A few can launch missiles while submerged.
Granted they are old and don't pose much of a threat one on one.
But based on shear numbers they could take out one of our carriers and several others ships.
A preemptive strike by NK would be a bigger shock to the US than 911.
We are taking 7000-10,000 US dead in just a few days. Assuming one of their ICBM don't hit a US city.

Don't we already have these systems? I'd think that whatever defensive systems we have in place for Russia and China would be able to be repurposed or utilized for NK.

The only thing the above scenario wouldn't allow for unnecessary spending of millions of dollars for the benefit of the MIC.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: odzeandennz

While I agree that the US should leave other countries alone NK is different.
They have directly threatened us recently.
And their leader is none too stable.
SK is a huge trading partner with the US. If they suffer the US economy will go into recession.

We can't take these threats lying down.
NK's missile program is not on par with ours but they can and do have accidents.
One of theirs could fail to reach orbit and impact on the US. Then what do you tell the public ?

Do you know how many submarines NK has ? 70+
That's more than any other country excluding the US.
A few can launch missiles while submerged.
Granted they are old and don't pose much of a threat one on one.
But based on shear numbers they could take out one of our carriers and several others ships.
A preemptive strike by NK would be a bigger shock to the US than 911.
We are taking 7000-10,000 US dead in just a few days. Assuming one of their ICBM don't hit a US city.

Ummm... That many subs desending on a CAG would be seen from MILES AWAY(heard by radar/sonar) ALso we can actually set torpedoes to one shot their subs if we desire. 25 mile torpedo shot range. IF we dont employ the rocket delivered torpedoes hundreds of miles away first.

so do people think NK is going to start a war with the US, or with SK, which will implicate other nations, like the US.

Kim and his cabinet are so dumb and benign and conceded that they think they can win a war against all the world powers.
this is what youve been brain washed to think. An impeding attack from NK. propaganda is just that, and always has been.
what will this lead to, new funding for missile defense, new spy laws, new rules of engagement and inevitably new relations with China.

think,
what makes people think NK threats are supposed to lead to war? what country since WWII has engaged in all out military war offensive against the US at home, yet how many 'wars' were we involved in since WWII abroad...
where did this supply of radioactive materials come from.
I was on board a ship which was chasing or 'escorting' Russian SUBs making their rounds to unspecified regions to deliver supplies.( YES, Russia transits the hormuz and Suez just like us and we knew about it)
this is not what people think, its all strategy.
the big picture here is China.



so the next country to pursue NUKEs will be a threat too? all other countries to pursue NUKEs, like we have and still are, are threats. ?
is it strange that countries with the most NUKEs, or has used NUKE in warfare are trying to keep WMD from other nations.


NK is testing NUke in plain sight so it can attack other nation using the same Nukes it used in test which the world knows of and NK unprecedentedly reveal its NUKE program to the media.

this is just the prequel to the never ending war, arms supply and secret bills passed until a rogue agent sheds light upon.
this is how it all starts, the ISIS ordeal is about to end, now we're shifting to NK before presidential swap..

is this rocket science, look at EVERY past wars and the PRELUDE to all of them. its always the same, a presidential shift then a new war. from Obama, to Bush, to Clinton and so on. every presidential change sees a new 'enemy' emerging and we must 'protect' ourselves and strike them before they strike... what is not obvious here.
not long until the presidential elections and we will see increasing manufactured 'news' coming from ASIA.
US striking first before they strike. this is not some dumbfounded 'prediction' in the prediction forums, or other mumbo jumbo; its just statistically what is going to happen.

You never know what North Korea will do. Do they think they could win a war with the US and allies? I am sure they think they could put enough military pressure on South Korea and Japan to get them to surrender and force the US out. Or that by directly threatening the US they could keep the US out. Or a variety of other reasons people who want to please their dear can come with to promise a great victory. We have seen it happen in other conflicts before. Including the North invading the South the first time. The world is full of threats their is not need to make any up. Nobody had to in the past and nobody will in the future.

a reply to: odzeandennz



Can I say "told you so" yet?

This is stage one of the plan to remove the threat of NK.

The only things standing in the way of dealing with this threat are China and the risk to SK from the massive build up of weapons along the border. Now we pretty much have China on side and willing to talk about this threat, the only thing left for us to do is to create the defensive shield to protect SK. Once that is done action can be taken.

I've been saying for a while that the US would first bolster security along the South Korean border and use systems to prevent the NK regime from threatening the South during the planned take down of the regime.

It's not going to be too hard to get that shield in place. Those claiming China is against it because it's a threat to them are failing to grasp the fact that China now needs to deal with NK just as badly as the rest of us. This is a matter of priorities, and right now the priority for both the US and China is taking out the threat from NK.

Here's what I think is going to happen:

1. China will bolster security along the border with NK - something they are already doing - to prevent a mass migration.
2. The US will create a protective shield along the South Korean border to protect Seoul - probably in partnership with China.
3. We'll see a build up of ships to protect Japan and prevent any NK aggression by sea.
4. On an agreed date (likely a deadline, when a "final straw" ultimatum with NK is not fruitful) there will be coordinated strikes on everything along the border, removing the threat to the south from NK.
5. Further strikes will occur throughout the country, taking out their leadership and their military capability.

Unfortunately, I think then we'll see hundreds of thousands of people trying to flee NK, and we'll likely face a massive Humanitarian aid effort.

Either NK regime officials will surrender publicly and request aid, or they'll simply melt away into the public. We'll then enter as a unified force to bring aid to the people there and SK will work on developing a functional government to oversee a unified Korea.

While aspects of this might change, and while much might happen in the meantime and during, there is no doubt that we will have to remove the NK regime, and we'll have to do it soon. Time is running out on this issue and there is no way we can waste any more time trying to tempt NK back to the table while it continues to threaten and develop capabilities.

Ultimately, while many will definitely die in this intervention, many hundreds of thousands more will be saved. This is a fact regardless of what political opinions people have. NK is a sickening regime imprisoning, torturing, murdering thousands of people every year. There is absolutely no denying that the people of that country would be better off under the governance of the South.

I fear that when we do achieve this and we do go in there, we are going to discover just how psychopathic this regime has been. When you have mass imprisonment on a scale they have in NK, you have mass executions, mass graves, and massive abuses of Human Rights.

Kimmy needs to be executed, along with his regime.

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Don't we already have these systems? I'd think that whatever defensive systems we have in place for Russia and China would be able to be repurposed or utilized for NK.

The only thing the above scenario wouldn't allow for unnecessary spending of millions of dollars for the benefit of the MIC.

Yes, this is about moving them into place without upsetting China.
The systems are there, they're in use, they just haven't able to be positioned in SK because it makes China nervous.

As the US is now having talks with China about NK, and as NK has also threatened China, and as China now has trade ties with SK, this should all become a hell of a lot easier to achieve.

While people reporting on this are sticking to the notion that China is reluctant to do anything, they are forgetting that NK now poses a bigger threat to China than the US does. China does not want to see a nuclear NK any more than anyone else does.

Their priority is going to be taking out that threat, and they will be willing to assist the US, and make compromises, to make that happen.

a reply to: Rocker2013

You're assuming that after nearly 3/4's of a century, the people of North Korea aren't so brainwashed/beaten down that they won't, in droves, die for their Little Kimmie.

I hope they won't, but...the chances that many will aren't zero.

If this happens...so many who shouldn't die, will. On both sides of this.

originally posted by: MrSpad
You never know what North Korea will do. Do they think they could win a war with the US and allies? I am sure they think they could put enough military pressure on South Korea and Japan to get them to surrender and force the US out. Or that by directly threatening the US they could keep the US out. Or a variety of other reasons people who want to please their dear can come with to promise a great victory. We have seen it happen in other conflicts before. Including the North invading the South the first time. The world is full of threats their is not need to make any up. Nobody had to in the past and nobody will in the future.

I think some in NK believe they could, but the regime probably doesn't.

Here's the thing about NK: they might have a massive force when it comes to sheer numbers of men, but they don't have the capability in firepower to go up against SK, the US, and China. It's great having all those soldiers, but what can they do without planes to fly or guns to fire?

Much of this is not about external politics, it's about internal power. Kim has a nation (and a regime) perpetually brainwashed by notions that they are all powerful. The only way he's kept most of his regime in line is through food and luxuries from the outside. Now that this has ended it's becoming increasingly hard for him to maintain control, or even credibility.

It's an incredibly unstable leadership and he has backed himself into a corner. Rather than push the country forward for progress and to maintain his leadership, he's tried to maintain control by taking them backwards and escalating the rhetoric to a fever pitch.

This is obviously not sustainable. Eventually he is going to have to make some kind of statement to prove to his regime that he's not just full of bs.

Whether it's tomorrow or a year from now, eventually he's going to have to do something else which risks stability in the region. If he doesn't, he faces a revolt from within.

Either way, this is a threat to all of us and we cannot allow that to continue, especially not with the development of nuclear weapons.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Rocker2013

You're assuming that after nearly 3/4's of a century, the people of North Korea aren't so brainwashed/beaten down that they won't, in droves, die for their Little Kimmie.

I hope they won't, but...the chances that many will aren't zero.

If this happens...so many who shouldn't die, will. On both sides of this.

Don't confuse fanatical loyalty with fear.
Most of those inside NK are not loyal to their dictator because they want to be, they're loyal because they are terrified of the consequences of not being loyal.

I agree that there might be thousands who would fight and die for their country, and there would be risks to going in there after any action is taken, but probably less so than almost any other war we've seen in recent times. There will be individuals who will want to attack the perceived enemy, even when that enemy is bringing them aid. But I think the perception about there being hundreds of thousands of North Korean's willing to fight and die for a man who can't even offer them enough to eat is just a misperception.

Just look at what happened in Japan. They were a nation so ravenous for victory and so extremely nationalistic during the war, but when they were bombed they collapsed. While it's true that such a show of massive force had an impact on them psychologically, it was more about the defeat than the bombs. The rest of the country didn't experience those blasts, but they all still collapsed and admitted defeat.

The same would probably happen in NK.
Once we take out the leadership and remove the threat of their military, SK will likely go in there first, through the border, and deliver aid to those closest. They will then likely form groups of NK citizens with leadership from the South to travel up through the country delivering aid.

Don't forget that there are still a lot of cultural ties between North and South. If a load gigantic white American men suddenly appeared then yes there probably would be a massive resistance, but if any ground movement is being driven by SK, I don't think we would be seeing that resistance in the way many imagine.

a reply to: yuppa

That many subs desending on a CAG would be seen from MILES AWAY(heard by radar/sonar)

You are talking about a direct frontal attack.
The smarter option would be a lie in wait tactic.
What would 6 torpedoes from a Romeo class sub do to a carrier that just passed overhead ?
Or the ramming from a Song-o- class ?
With 70 subs and numerous decoy speed boats the US would be on a tough position at the start.
This presupposes that NK used the element of surprise.

The British lost 6 ships in the Falklands. None by subs but I don't think they counted on losing 6.
You can't afford to under estimate an enemy that is sworn to destroy you.

a reply to: Rocker2013

That's the thing, many thousands will fight, irregardless of the reasons the rest of the world has. It's the nature of the beast, so to speak. Tribalism. Us against them. Call it what you will.

As for Japan. They had not collapsed at all. They were capable of continuing the fight, and willing to. It was fortunate for many thousands, possibly millions, that Hirohito saw the writing on the wall and surrendered to save his country from certain annihilation. The cost would have been staggering.

Going into North Korea will be neither quick, nor bloodless. North Korea has been preparing for this for longer than I've been alive...barring some miracle, a lot of people are going to die. On both sides.

I believe the Israelies have come up with a missile-defence system called something like Davids sling stunner or something like that that rivals many other systems.

a reply to: samkent

its funny, we all know for a fact the propaganda is a real thing used by main stream media in order to sway the peasants opinion on issues, people and, and country's. Everything you just stated about N.K. and its leader is based of stories you heard on tv and read in news papers. Its funny how we can be selective about what we want to believe even though it all comes from the same source.

Me personally i have no clue what is going on over there or what they are hiding, either side, it will be interesting to see how this unflods

a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

Given the stories that have come out of North Korea via escapees, tourists(?), various medias--both western and none...I think we can have a fairly good idea of what goes on in the North.

But you have a point, we can't know exactly what's going on. Just a fairly good idea.

so the general concesus is that a conflict is inevitable and we all agree to it.

is then a bit naive to say we, in acceptance of a preemptive war, we too have been brainwashed just as a dictorship regime can convince its people it has nukes that can reach new york when all signs point to not....
we all agree that war is the best intervention.
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Does NK have Nuclear plants, where are they getting their supply from, why dont we cut the head of the snake. we cant. because War is our business.

originally posted by: stabstab
I believe the Israelies have come up with a missile-defence system called something like Davids sling stunner or something like that that rivals many other systems.

They already have the joint US-Israel designed Iron Dome

KJU rattles sabers to get cash. that's his game

then he keeps the money and his people starve

this time around, I think he may be ousted by a coup. he is taking an entire region down a deadly road

a reply to: odzeandennz

Agree?

Not sure I'd phrase my thoughts as agreement. Any method of removal that doesn't require thousands, perhaps 100's of thousands of deaths, to achieve is much preferable.

But we have to begin to ask, what else is going to work, that hasn't been tried? I don't have any ideas.

Economic? North Korea is already a failed nation teetering on the brink of, or over the edge, of mass starvation.

Political sanctions? They're already a pariah among nations, what more can be done?

Military seems to be the only option from the outside left. A coup would work, but who is going to do it, the military seems to know which side of the bread their butter is on...Kim. From within the Kim dynasty? It appears he's removed any opposition over the past few years. Not sure there is anyone left.

It may take a military intervention/threat of one to force a coup. Then South Korea, Japan, and other Pacific Rim nations can hopefully guide that troubled land into the 21st century, or start it along the path, anyway.