Attended Trump Rally today!

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
your a chump if you vote for trump, he won't be able to do any thing he says.
congress will have to give him the money or the votes he needs to do any of it, and that's never gonna happen.
sure he will have a pen and phone, but that hasn't worked to well for O has it.

Hasn't stopped Obama any. President will always be able to set policy and move the national debate.

Wow... The USA is so weird.. The only people in Australia that go to these kind of events is friends, family, business associates and paid "rent a crowd".
I find it totally alien to hear this event described in this way by some of you... we Aussies would use that kind of tone when describing seeing our favourite band play live or being at an amazing wedding...

High strangeness indeed.

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: crazyewok
Political rallys are something I just dont get.


Why waste your weekend going to see some blowhard lier tell more lies?

Just vote for the dammed candidates and be done with it.

This is how 90% of the US ignorant electorate vote. Don't go see the candidates in person to see what they're all about. Just make your choice based on what the MSM portrays and spoonfeeds you. Your reasoning is why it will always be politics as usual forever in this country.

Because a highly shaped and stage managed speech will give you a true insight into a politician's character, policies and the implications of those policies.

Your last sentence is ironic..

Funny part is most of trumps policies have changed he's been liberal most of his life donating to even hillary. But people have short memories I guess.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: CynConcepts

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Back in June, when the city's bungled, six-year effort to renovate the Wollman Ice-Skating Rink in Central Park was $12 million over budget with no end in sight, real-estate tycoon Donald Trump stepped forward.

Just give the project to me, he said, and I'll finish the rink by Christmas. This Christmas. And for free.

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It seems to me that Trump has a better ability to budget than our government officials. Don't you think? 

Nope

with the stipulation that he be allowed to run the venue and an adjacent restaurant and use the profits

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Wollman Rink is currently operated by the Trump organization, and is today known as the Trump Skating Rink

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The Trump name is prominently displayed on the walls of the rink as well as on the Zamboni that maintains the rink. Operation of the Lasker Rink on the north edge of Central Park is also handled by the group.

Finishing the renovation of a public skating rink does not qualify someone for President..

And he sure as heck made money on the deal.

I was pointing out that he obviously could come through with a plan and budget. He is a businessman. Did he provide what he offered to accomplish? Obviously, yes. Just because he managed to find a way to make a deal to make a profit from this does not dissuade me, but encorages me as a proud American! Why should any American be upset that he made a good decision to complete a project, help others and still create a business profit? Even the Pope is not completely charitable, as the Vatican continues to profit.

I am personally seeing where Trump's fair deals may create an end profit for him. Though, many past presidents have profited after serving their terms! It is business. The difference I am seeing, is that Trump didn't screw anyone over like this rink to create a profitable market. He actual made a FAIR deal to accomplish what the governing authorities had severely failed at!

Hmmm....I am not envious of others creating wealth, so explain to me how Trump was not fair in his deal?

originally posted by: introvert
It's ironic to see how similar Trump supporters are to the people that supported Obama for two terms.

They fall in love with a message and a man, praying for "Hope and Change", and they speak the praises of men they know very little about.

What's even more ironic is that those same people that fell in love with Trump, are also those that blast Obama and his supporters.

Hypocrites.

What makes it ironic ?

At least the lies Trump tells are believable, and actually could HAPPEN, and have hints of actually being something that would actually have a chance at being good for people.

And they are so very unlike any of the other liars who came before, it is ironic that you would compare the obvious TOTAL lack of connection in how they behave.

What is REALLY ironic, is that you clearly are unable to see the differences between all of this, and are deadset against trying something new, even though the most of us know it will be hard to affect those things, but you are IRONICLY telling us to just shut down and be ironic and vote for the same STYLE and TONE of garbage that has come before.

And we know more about Trump than pretty much any of the presidents ever before, on what planet does your logic reside ?

a reply to: dragonridr

Some do.

Others, not so much. I know a lot of people who remember those things, and will remember 'em come November. I will.

originally posted by: homerJ
Wow... The USA is so weird.. The only people in Australia that go to these kind of events is friends, family, business associates and paid "rent a crowd".
I find it totally alien to hear this event described in this way by some of you... we Aussies would use that kind of tone when describing seeing our favourite band play live or being at an amazing wedding...

High strangeness indeed.

Same here in the UK.
Far more productive things to do than go see a politician lie.

a reply to: crazyewok
Obviously its like baseball a favorite pastime for many, not only here in the states, but wold wide, as well its been ingrained in to people, the whole politico and ego stroking thing is a great waste of time, as good as any.

Yes! Trump. When is this election going to happen anyways? Better be soon, cant wait, it will be hi hilarity, I may even watch 10 minutes of it or so.

The only thing about Trump is that he does not say enough of what people want to hear, thats the secret to being elected, just say what people what to hear, and so far this guy has been reaching far and wide, and pulling all kinds of # out his ass. He has all the makings of being a president, and does represent I think a great majority of this and other populous across the globe, he is practically the epitome of a great many peoples, even outside his supporters.

Besides its not like most people actually listen or think to much on such anyways.

That and his PR guys and whoever writes his speeches has to make sure that he at least gets some things right, or somebody may get suspicious. Not likely to happen but it could happen.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

You know why Trump is worth Billions?

Cause he is the one making speeches to gullible idiots in the rally.

Times to valuable to waste on Politians.

He is a wolf and his followers sheep.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Honestly...just a moment to highlight the dangers of this pervasive thinking..

Yes Trump is a businessman...a particularly sociopathic, greedy one...and there is a little nugget of truth to the "greed is good" meme in capitalism. There are stories of him tormenting elderly tenants to abandon a building he had bought from the city because they were under cost control rent and he wanted to gut the building and make it a high-end property...He brags about "beating the banks" and taking them for hundreds of millions of dollars by "using the bankruptcy laws to his advantage"..

Sure the guy can make (and lose) money...he does it on a scale much greater than 99% of Americans...he inherited a mass of money and has been gambling with it ever since...sometimes up a Billion...sometimes a Billion dollars negative in net worth and debt.

But here is the thing....in Business you want to MAXIMIZE REVENUES...and MINIMIZE COSTS..Thats it.

The problem with applying that fierce model of capitalism to a government is that governments are not a business. You don't want them run like a business. Governments are non-profit shells to allocate (a vehicle) where you and I want OUR money spent.

By the business model?

Maximize Revenues?...OUR tax dollars are the revenues when government is treated like a business...aka Maximize taxes

Minimize expenses?....Services, Veterans Care, Infrastructure ad infinium.

Government as a business equates to higher taxes and less returns from government for our tax dollars..

If you are looking to slice out only his "budgetary skills"..A man who has repeatedly declared bankruptcy? Who is being sued right now for a scam university?

He brags about how he made good deals during those bankruptcies...taking the banks for 100's of Millions...the problem is that in government...WE THE PEOPLE are the banks on the line being cheated out of our money. WE are the banks he takes advantage of when he screws up when trump is POTUS. Our tax dollars are the revenues he will MAXIMIZE and the services that government provide us for those tax dollars are what he will reduce (expenses) and when schemes don't work out...we are the "Banks" he screws over in bankruptcy.

In 1995, he took Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts public in an IPO. But it wound up in Chapter 11 in 2004, and its successor company, in which Trump owned a stake, filed for Chapter 11 in 2009
— even as he managed to extract tons of personal compensation. You will search databases in vain for Trump bonds that are publicly traded.


Indeed, public investors, bondholders, and many banks that have dealt with Trump over the years have often been burned

fortune.com...

How Donald Trump Made Millions Off His Biggest Business Failure
fortune.com...

Hint...by paying himself huge bonuses from investors money while his casinos slipped into bankruptcy.

Trump Airlines
The company never turned a profit and the high debt forced him to default on his loans. Ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. It ceased to exist in 1992.

Trump Vodka
The company stopped production in 2011, reportedly due to a lack of interest.

Trump Casinos
Trump Entertainment Resorts, which is composed of three Trump-owned casinos, all in Atlantic City, filed for bankruptcy for the fourth time in 2014.

Trump: The Game
Trump launched a Monopoly-like board game in 1989, which was discontinued a year later due to lack of interest. He tried his hand at game making once again in 2005, when he launched an updated version tied to The Apprentice. It was also discontinued.

Trump Magazine
Trump launched an eponymous magazine in 2007 that, in a press release announcing the publication’s arrival, was described as “[reflecting] the passions of its affluent readership by tapping into a rich cultural tapestry.” A year and a half after the launch, the magazine ceased publication.

Trump Steaks

Donald Trump was featured on the June 2007 cover of the Sharper Image catalogue hunched over a platter of meat to kick off his line of premium steaks that he dubbed the “world’s greatest.” The company has since been discontinued—maybe it had something to do with the Trump Steakhouse in Las Vegas being closed down in 2012 for 51 health code violations, including serving five-month old duck.

GoTrump.com

Trump launched this luxury travel search engine in 2006, only to shut it down a year later, despite being powered by booking giant Travelocity.

Trump University

In 2005, Trump opened the non-accredited, for-profit Trump University. In 2010, four students sued the university for “offering classes that amounted to extended ‘infomercials.’” Following the suit, the “university” changed its name to “The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative,” before ending operations one year later. In 2013, the New York Attorney General sued Trump and the “university” for $40 million for allegedly defrauding students.

Trump Mortgage

In 2006, Trump forayed further into the real estate industry, launching a mortgage company. The Donald had high hopes for the company, asking CNBC, “Who knows more about financing than me?” Trump Mortgage shut down within a year and a half, in part because Trump selected E.J. Ridings, a man who claimed to be a top executive at a prestigious investment bank but had actually only worked on Wall Street as a registered broker for six days, to run the company

time.com...

Where he has actually made money?

(1) Inheritance
(2) In buying and selling some real estate in NYC with that inherited money..
(3) By paying himself egregious amounts of money from investors funds and bank loans while his casino's drowned in losses...this is a legal version of how the MOB would gut businesses for cash. Which is no surprise cuz Trump has made deals with the Mob.

Politifact: Yes, Donald Trump has been linked to the mob
Trump when asked about it..

The company, as Cruz correctly says, was partially owned by Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno, the boss of the Genovese crime family.

Trump himself acknowledged as much in a December 2015 interview with the Wall Street Journal, admitting that S&A Concrete was "supposedly associated with the mob."

"Virtually every building that was built was built with these companies," he said, adding, "These guys were excellent contractors. They were phenomenal. They could do three floors a week in concrete. Nobody else in the world could do three floors a week. I mean they were unbelievable. Trump Tower, other buildings."

www.politifact.com...

I don

a reply to: Indigo5

No, I believe our government is controlled more like a business and I will even give Obama a little credit here. I believe he was blown away by this factor when he stepped into office. He soon becamed encamped.

Why should I even consider Trump? Really why not? Obviously, he won't be as surprised and he does seem to scare the establishment on the basis of just that fact alone. I really don't think that he is out to screw over anyone...I can believe that he will be fair and good to the American citizens. Will he make America great? No. But he isn't going to tear us down. It is obvious throughout his past, he can make great deals for himself. I do suppose he will come out of this for the better...whether he wins nomination or not. He covered his bases.

Cruz is a much worse option. Clinton has proven that she is even more narcissistic and ego driven than Trump through her own historical past. One difference...I have never seen true empathy of anyone but herself. Sanders, well, honestly, he is a good guy, but he has waited until his last breath to step up for presidency? He spent too long and his ideas were defeated over the past 30-40 years! A president doesn't have the power to fulfill his dreams, and he is clueless on how to really make deals. He has no real negotiating stamina.

If Trump is so good at making deals and is such a good business man then why is it that he has been such a failure at managing his money?

"Bloomberg puts Trump’s current net worth at $2.9 billion, Forbes at $4.1 billion. The National Journal has worked out that if Trump had just put his father’s money in a mutual fund that tracked the S&P 500 and spent his career finger-painting, he’d have $8 billion."

link

originally posted by: SmurfRider

originally posted by: FlyingFox


...but it's fun to have a few brushes with fame other than music celebrities.

This is what's wrong with society. We need to stop idolizing other humans.

Fame doesn't have to mean other humans. Fame can emanate from a famous time, place, or a situation. In the case of musicians, it's a "scene" which supports it. Brushes with fame can even come from within your own family history. The way I used the term is in part ironic, as it is generally associated with celebrities and that IS HOW average people perceive it.

Seeing Trump was akin to the Berlin Wall coming down, a moment of fame.

a reply to: FlyingFox

WOW!!! Look at all those racists packed in one building!! Oh the horror!!

a reply to: homerJ

Americans like to crown the slave owners and debate over which of our rulers boots will taste better. The typical mantra here is "The government sucks and is doing a terrible job we need some change!" quickly followed by "Let's elect another puppet and give the government more money and more power, that will change things!"

originally posted by: abe froman
Where were all the protesters?

Also, where was all the violence ?

The violence is brought by the protesters...who happen to be liberals and hence, liberals are pro-violence. They just lie to make it sound different but all you have to do is look and not listen. Ignore the words of the liberal and instead, listen to their actions. The lies then present themselves like a bright light in a dark room.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: Indigo5

Why should I even consider Trump? Really why not? Obviously, he won't be as surprised and he does seem to scare the establishment on the basis of just that fact alone. I really don't think that he is out to screw over anyone...I can believe that he will be fair and good to the American citizens. Will he make America great? No. But he isn't going to tear us down. It is obvious throughout his past, he can make great deals for himself.

He is at best a very drunk driver...
You might not like the painfully slow rate and inefficient route at which your sober buddy drives..
You might deeply hate that arrogant, sober friend of friend who offers you a ride home after a long night at the bar.
But choosing the stumbling, very drunk loudmouth who promises to get you home in record time is not the wisest choice.
You might get home in good time and have fun on the ride, but there is a better chance he will wrap your car around a tree a few blocks from the bar. And as is often the case, he will walk away uninjured (with his Billions) while you spend months in the hospital recovering.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: Indigo5

Why should I even consider Trump? Really why not? Obviously, he won't be as surprised and he does seem to scare the establishment on the basis of just that fact alone. I really don't think that he is out to screw over anyone...I can believe that he will be fair and good to the American citizens. Will he make America great? No. But he isn't going to tear us down. It is obvious throughout his past, he can make great deals for himself.

He is at best a very drunk driver...
You might not like the painfully slow rate and inefficient route at which your sober buddy drives..
You might deeply hate that arrogant, sober friend of friend who offers you a ride home after a long night at the bar.
But choosing the stumbling, very drunk loudmouth who promises to get you home in record time is not the wisest choice.
You might get home in good time and have fun on the ride, but there is a better chance he will wrap your car around a tree a few blocks from the bar. And as is often the case, he will walk away uninjured (with his Billions) while you spend months in the hospital recovering.

I don't know about that. The so called sober ones are telling me how bad I am, and therefore they have every right to beat me up, steal my money, and toss me to the curb. If I attempt to defend myself...I am a criminal!

Vs.

Since I am drunk and the passenger, I will probably walk away too and join him for one more drink in celebration of just surviving. Obviously, even being drunk, I was just as responsible. It was my choice to ride. At least, I will still have my money to pay for the drink and call for a Taxi home.

Seriously, your post and even my sentences above are just silly! Individually, We all have preconceived biases and notions. These will filter our decisions.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

If Trump is so good at making deals and is such a good business man then why is it that he has been such a failure at managing his money?

"Bloomberg puts Trump’s current net worth at $2.9 billion, Forbes at $4.1 billion. The National Journal has worked out that if Trump had just put his father’s money in a mutual fund that tracked the S&P 500 and spent his career finger-painting, he’d have $8 billion."

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To me, your example, makes me think better of him. You are right, he didn't just live in a rich fantasy world. He put himself and his money out there for better or worse. He didn't just sit on it and smirk. He worked to create things he could be proud of and created many jobs in the process!