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Is there a war on individual identity?

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posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 09:13 AM
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Maybe the macho culture portrayed in Hollywood movies and your wrestling has left you with an unattainable masculine image to aspire too




posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost




What you list are exceptions to the norm. Yes they exist, but they are not common among the vast majority of the global population.


They are common, but not commonly acknowledged, because society demands conformity.
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posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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The point is to eliminate gender roles so that both genders can pursue any hobby or career or lifestyle they wish without being held back by societal norms. So it is actually promoting more individuality.

There is a perceived threat to the traditional ones out there who think that their freedom to be a traditional male or female is being threatened, and that is up in the air.

A good topic to discuss.
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posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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I cannot speak regarding the identities of others, however I can speak regarding my own: There is no war on MY identity for I know exactly whom I'm 'sposed to be (a little Clash reference for ya, friends and neighbors). No one can tell me otherwise because I have endured a veritable microcosm of experiences in order to come into and develop my "identity".

The question should be: why do you (any of you) feel as though your identities have been subjagated via culture / gender identity war?



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

Sorry, but chopping wood in a skirt and high heels just doesn't cut it for me.

Or digging around in the garden.

Or fixing the eaves on the garage roof.

Or changing the oil in my car.

Or scrubbing floors on my hands and knees.

Or lugging $1000 worth of groceries from the car to the house.


My small-town-bushwacker lifestyle dictates that I wear comfortable clothes like jeans and t-shirts. I don't live the metropolitan life of ballroom dances, operas, and luncheons at the Waldorf.

And besides that.... I'll be goddamned if society is going to tell me how I'm supposed to look, live, and act based solely on nothing but the bits and pieces I have between my legs.


The only "war" I see going on is the dogmatic traditionalists trying to keep women chained to the kitchen sink and men chained to the lawnmower.



Grrrrrr woof !




posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 11:07 AM
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Isnt personal identity a social construct anyway?



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

i don think trasngender has anything to with anything

just a personal choice.

i think people are getting less masculine because of TV, alot of TV shows are still masculine of course..
but then you have will and grace, then the big bang theory etc . .no the most masculine of shows.

but then you have Vikings etc which is masculine. When big bang was popular and Goch Wan people started wearing geeky thick black glasses, they had their hair and beard done like Vikings.

if anything was to shape humans it would be propaganda machine , after all thats what it is designed to do.
change social aspects of life and plants seeds on how you should be perceived.

soon have loads of tansgender channels, that aint adult related,.

i also find technology has made people less masculine. i refer you to this link for a picture of what i mean

www.google.co.uk... #imgrc=ZUM5ePqpMmKV8M%3A
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posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 11:32 AM
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Socialism is a war on personal identity, it's entire philosophy is "for the greater good". When you follow that philosophy to it's conclusion, you have The Hive, individuals are totally expendable, as long as the "collective" benefits.



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus


It is 'safe' to make the white male stupid or foolish in commercials with the woman or minority coming in and providing the poor misguided sod the wisdom he needs to solve his problem.


Totally dude!

Everyone knows it's supposed to be the other way around!



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

You should watch some of the soaps here in the uk (corrie eastenders, emerdale) wow after watching those brainwashing propaganda shows you know exactly what sort of world and id the world wants us to be. In those shows the men are girls and the women are manly... literally when it comes to eastends as they have a real transexual actor on it.



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: thejames

When men refuse to be men, women will be the men. My classics professor told me this, I thought it was just some feminist garbage, but now I see she knew what she was talking about.



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Oh, where to start...








posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 02:42 PM
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Thank you OP for starting to wake up.

Apparently some people disparage science, or simply
don't believe in science. "Gender identity" has everything
to do with biology. Anyone that tries to dispel the fact
that chromosomes determine sex is seeking to turn
biology and science on it's head.

Human cells contain 23 pairs of chromosomes for a total
of 46. There are 22 pairs of autosomes and one pair of sex
chromosomes. The sex chromosomes are the X chromosome
and the Y chromosome. These chromosomes determine GENDER.

In human sexual reproduction, two distinct gametes fuse to
form a zygote. Gametes are reproductive cells produced by a
type of cell division called meiosis. They contain only one set
of chromosomes and are said to be haploid (one set of 22
autosomes and one sex chromosome). The male gamete, called
the spermatozoan, is relatively motile and usually has a flagellum.

The female gamete, called the ovum, is nonmotile and relatively
large in comparison to the male gamete. When the haploid male
and female gametes unite in a process called fertilization, they
form what is called a zygote. The zygote is diploid, meaning that
it contains two sets of chromosomes (two sets of 22 autosomes
and two sex chromosomes).

This information is every where online, which can be read every
day of the week in science journals, even Wikipedia.

It's simply delusional madness that deconstructs gender against
the tenets of scientific established empirical FACTS.




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posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 04:11 PM
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To me there is a war on identity but its different from what everyone else in this thread seems to be talking about.

I feel like there is a push for people to define themselves in terms of what boxes they fit into and make those boxes the entirety of their personalities and inform all other choices and decisions and actions.

For instance, I am a bisexual, white woman. Say if I enjoyed a certain film or some other trivial thing that some feminist deemed as sexist, then I would be a traitor to my own kind in some circles and open myself up for attack. Since I am white some people believe I should not be able to do certain things or have an opinion or speak in certain situations due to white privilege. Being bisexual also is fraught with a lot of issues and controversies because in some ways we neither fit in the LGBT community totally but we also are not straight. Instead of just being who I am and deciding what I want regardless of what labels apply to me, every aspect of my being is scrutinized under the gaze of identity politics.

I really just want to be who I am and enjoy the world, instead of being limited by boxes and labels.



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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To me there is a war on identity but its different from what everyone else in this thread seems to be talking about. I feel like there is a push for people to define themselves in terms of what boxes they fit into and make those boxes the entirety of their personalities and inform all other choices and decisions and actions. For instance, I am a bisexual, white woman. Say if I enjoyed a certain film or some other trivial thing that some feminist deemed as sexist, then I would be a traitor to my own kind in some circles and open myself up for attack. Since I am white some people believe I should not be able to do certain things or have an opinion or speak in certain situations due to white privilege. Being bisexual also is fraught with a lot of issues and controversies because in some ways we neither fit in the LGBT community totally but we also are not straight. Instead of just being who I am and deciding what I want regardless of what labels apply to me, every aspect of my being is scrutinized under the gaze of identity politics. I really just want to be who I am and enjoy the world, instead of being limited by boxes and labels.


I admire a Hedonist who's comfortable in their own skin.
Good grief, did I just throw a horrible label?

I was under the impression bisexual meant Homosexuals
who enjoy heterosexual sex. Guess I was mistaken.

You already have the capability to decide what you want,
IF, you're not susceptible to manipulation & public opinion
machinations from the media.

I just don't think life is about me me me me.



posted on Apr, 26 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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I was under the impression bisexual meant Homosexuals
who enjoy heterosexual sex. Guess I was mistaken.


Some of us prefer the opposite sex over the same sex.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 02:55 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Anaana


If it is 'only recognizing it and giving it space' then the symbolic 'bathroom issue' would be manifest with Men's, Women's and A third water closet for neither of the above.



Personally, I don't see the issue, water closet wise. The obligation lies in providing a facility. On trains and flights, there is a toilet that I believe discriminates against no one providing their intentions are bladder and bowel relief. In the past, I have used the gents when faced with a large queue at the ladies, knowing darn well that there is a barely used cubicle in there. I have also thrown all caution to the wind and relieved myself on the fire escape, not my proudest moment, but when needs must.

I think the bathroom is more a general sensibilities issue not specifically one of gender or individuality for that matter. That may be just me, but if I need to go, I find the most suitable and clean place to go, failing that option I will take whatever comes the closest second. I am far more interested in giving people, especially children, then room to discover for themselves who they are. In so far as that goes, teaching kids to be clean without teaching them to be uptight about their bodily functions, ie "potty training", is about as far as my interest extends.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: 0zzymand0s

David Bowie didn't lose it in a fight, more of an accident in school.

Bowie slept with many beautiful men too.

He wore make up.

He wore skirts.

He wore suits.

He Wore shirts.

He was into sexual energy and rituals. Look up Crowley.

Using Bowie is a poor example.

Let's be honest, people are just tired of labels and being told what they can or cannot do. You push someone too far one way, they will spring right back at you.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

News Flash, there was no such thing to begin with. Social Media just confirms this.



posted on Apr, 27 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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It's because everyone nowadays have everything handed down to them. They have it all, even if you're poor as dirt you still have it better than the last generation. Now you have a bunch of people who never worked for anything...it was all handed down to them so they don't appreciate it as much as the last generation. This is how empires and countries fall. It creates diversity and all kinds of bad things in society...they basically have nothing better to do...they have no life.



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