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Common Core Education: Surveillance & Sexualization of Children

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posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: QuinnP
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Lol. IKR?

That wasn't supoosed to mean that. But I can understand how it could.



I'm just glad you didn't mean what I thought you meant. I was feeling a little self-conscious about being verbose -- which is actually a problem for me!




posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Not at all. I doubt that very much. No, I refute it. Knowing who I am.



posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
And everything about Common Core is supposed to be about streamlining the process to churn out product efficiently with zero regard to kids who could excel or those who are slower. If you aren't at the peak of the bell curve, you'll either be hammered right into that place or be broken and discarded - factory reject.


Really?

My kid is a high functioning Autistic. He taught himself to read at age 3.

His school accommodates his needs, as well as kids in his class that barely know their letter sounds.

Yes, the Common Core program is streamlined. But, I know the kids, at least in my school, get the extra assistance they need.



posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
And everything about Common Core is supposed to be about streamlining the process to churn out product efficiently with zero regard to kids who could excel or those who are slower. If you aren't at the peak of the bell curve, you'll either be hammered right into that place or be broken and discarded - factory reject.


Really?

My kid is a high functioning Autistic. He taught himself to read at age 3.

His school accommodates his needs, as well as kids in his class that barely know their letter sounds.

Yes, the Common Core program is streamlined. But, I know the kids, at least in my school, get the extra assistance they need.


This ia good. We are all mostly ignorant. Are we not? But still this statement is very good.



posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: QuinnP

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
And everything about Common Core is supposed to be about streamlining the process to churn out product efficiently with zero regard to kids who could excel or those who are slower. If you aren't at the peak of the bell curve, you'll either be hammered right into that place or be broken and discarded - factory reject.


Really?

My kid is a high functioning Autistic. He taught himself to read at age 3.

His school accommodates his needs, as well as kids in his class that barely know their letter sounds.

Yes, the Common Core program is streamlined. But, I know the kids, at least in my school, get the extra assistance they need.


This ia good. We are all mostly ignorant. Are we not? But still this statement is very good.


Well, ignorant means lack of knowledge.

An open mind helps in learning the knowledge you lack.



posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: Annee

my kids are all grown. i have no idea what common core is. annee as a parent with a child going through the system, can you give an example of a common core problem and its equivalent in "standard" type problem?



posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: Annee

my kids are all grown. i have no idea what common core is. annee as a parent with a child going through the system, can you give an example of a common core problem and its equivalent in "standard" type problem?


Not sure the question. As I understand it Common Core came out of the Chinese System. Its very focused on main academics. Reading/writing and math.

In my school, at my level 1st grade - - Creative writing seems to be the main focus. So, basically language/communication. Structure of a story - - beginning, middle, end. One way is to have them draw a picture, then write it into a story with the structure of beginning, middle, end.

Math seems to be incorporating the metric system. Everything is in 10s. Like 21 is 2 10s and a 1.

Then how to see the same problem from different perspectives. Like break down the 10s into 1s. Then will have several math questions all with the same answer, but presented differently. Like 2 10's plus 1 - - - or 10 1s plus 1, plus 10.

I've talked to some mathematicians who say this is very good, and how math should be taught.

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Standard? I guess would not be a streamlined systematic program.

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I do understand the dangers of a systematic program. But, there is so much outside school activities today - - I don't see a problem.

My kid is in dance and a creative production class outside of school.

NOTE: BTW


"At this time, only three countries—Burma, Liberia, and the US—have not adopted the International System of Units (SI, or metric system) as their official system of weights and measures." We should point out that even these three countries do use elements of the metric system.

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posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Annee

thank you



posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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I have 2 kids going through Common Core. The only ill effects I have experienced it not being to effectively help my kids with math homework- because they are being taught different methods than I was, and the curriculum follows those formulas.

It actually bothers me a lot that I am am deficient in this area. But, my oldest (4th grade) excels in all subjects- and does very well with math. Maybe the methods are good for helping young minds to understand better and do well. I have heard it is hard on older students that have to transition from what they weretaught to the new methods. I have also not heard a teacher say a positive thing about it, but it's likely due to the fact that it is all new to them as well, and more work for them to grasp these new ways. I have had one teacher express frustration because she saw students struggle with long division, and showed them the "old" way, with the kids saying it was easier, to which she replied, "I can't teach you that method".

As far as sexualized material, I've seen the horror stories, so kept a vigilant eye open for anything like that at all, but haven't seen a hint of it.

Overall, my verdict is still out. If it helps my children to understand concepts better, and be more proficient all across the board, then that is great.



posted on Apr, 24 2016 @ 05:07 PM
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Two questions to get into this.

#1 - Do they teach multiple approaches/solutions to one branch of math, from simple to complex in f.ex. algebra?

#2 - Do they go into connectivity and wisdom behind the math via wordplays or letting the students picture it, i.e. the reason why things are the way they are. Math philosophy so to speak

The reason I ask is because where I live we have a similar system. And for me it seems that is only serves the system. It makes the job easier for the teachers as they don't have to go through exams and see different solutions to the same equation or example. So basically the teachers don't have to know as much math as they would/should.

I had to teach myself math from multiple angles because I never could understand the "why's" and "don'ts". The teachers basically didn't understand my need for the underlying structure of math. I had to have the philosophy.

Beside all that, keeping it simple is best for me. To complex and you've got it wrong. I believe some smart guy with a rugged hair said that once.

If I'm misunderstanding my apologies for wasting your time.

And Bo, I agree with your premise and conclusion.

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posted on Apr, 25 2016 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

It's only hard in the sense that it needlessly complicates concepts.

Common Core math makes a complex equation out of the simplest concepts. It is based in New Math and other reform methods that have constantly and consistently failed to do anything to improve student scores and have thus been discarded every time.


This exactly what it is and it's really annoying. My 6 year old is learning it and doing really well. It'smore complicated than needed. I think we can do without it.

I have a 6 year old and4 year old in public shool. No sex ed for either. The only issue seems to be math for most, so far.



posted on Apr, 25 2016 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: Annee

I have a 5th grader and a 1st grader in a common core public school, and I can tell you this, my son (5th grader) hates it. For example he came home with math homework and was having the hardest time with it. It was multiplying 2 digit numbers to 2 digit numbers (15 X 25). The book and the teacher earlier in the day at school was having him approximate the numbers to something like 20X20, then add like 5 to each or something like that to get the answer. My son (who I love dearly, isn't exactly the most common sensed crayon in the box) even said " why not just multiply 15 and 25 and just get the answer, why do all these extra steps?"
I told him that as long as he showed his work, and the answer was right, he could do his homework the standard way if that was easier for him.
The next day I got a call from his teacher telling me that my child HAD to do his work this way and not any other way.
I asked her how many other phone calls like this one she had to make today and she said about 8 (which is roughly half of his class).
long story short, after a "debate" I had to go to the principal about it, because my son would rather do, and it was easier to understand the standard way of math than the common core.
He hates it in all the subjects, not just math.

My 1st grader is starting to question things, and I foresee her also not liking common core, but there is nothing that I can do, except put them in a private school ( which we can not afford) or homeschool (which I have my own personal feelings about)

I feel that as adults and parents who didn't have to deal with common core growing up and learning in school it is hard for us to come to a conclusion about it, some love it, it's easier than things were for us as kids, and some hate it, it's different and we feel it's just extra steps to the same end.
But honestly it depends on the kid actually doing the work, if they are better at the standard learning style then they should be allowed to use that, not forced to use common core because the school they attend wanted more money so adopted it.

I feel that CC should be taught as a supplement not the standard.

ETA:
As far as the sex ed, My 5th grader is about the right age for the beginnings of it, I feel. I have already had some of the "talk" with him. He's 11 and gets his good looks from his dad, girls LOVE him. My 7 year old daughter, I feel we have a few years. I see absolutely no reason what so ever to have any kind of sex ed in school before the age of... let's say 9, (I'm a little on the fence about an age but no younger than 9 IMO). Anything before that should be handled by the parents, that is their responsibility.
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posted on Apr, 25 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: Squirlli

I feel that CC should be taught as a supplement not the standard.


Why? Because its new and hard to understand?

As I said earlier - - I talked to some mathematicians and they supported the methods of Common Core.

I'm pro-active. I Google, looking for sites that help me understand. I will probably have to join a parent site of some kind next year.

Why does it matter if a child likes it or not?

My kid is high functioning Autistic. Keeping him focused on anything is a challenge - - - but I manage.

****** Here's a good article about developing Common Core: www.npr.org...
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posted on Apr, 25 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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It should be a supplement not the standard because it isn't for everyone, just like the old standard way of teaching subjects wasn't for everyone. Some kids like and can thrive with Common Core, others do not.

If it person doesn't like how something is being taught, then they won't put forth the effort to learn it, retain it, ect. Yes it's different, but that doesn't make it hard. I understand it, and can utilize it, but I don't like it.

My child doesn't like it, because to him, for the math, it's adding unnecessary steps, therefore in his eyes it is adding extra work.
Other children may not feel the same way, some I'm sure feel as my son does.

Sure as an adult who isn't in school anymore, learning these new techniques, to do the same work that I did in school can be frustrating, but again, I understand how and why there are new techniques.

Just because it's good for the goose, doesn't mean it's good for the gander.



posted on Apr, 25 2016 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: Squirlli
a reply to: Annee

It should be a supplement not the standard because it isn't for everyone, just like the old standard way of teaching subjects wasn't for everyone. Some kids like and can thrive with Common Core, others do not.


No it shouldn't.

The math portion was developed because America is failing in math compared to other countries.

Like? You judge it by what kids like?



posted on Apr, 25 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: Annee

I'm not going to have a petty argument over semantics with you. Common core has been around long enough that if American kids still suck at math, then it's obviously not working.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 05:09 AM
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Common core education of children is not so important anymore as immediately after, whoever comes out of school is exposed to an unbelievable mountain of garbage coming from the media. And what does the media do when they are caught blatantly lying or gets blamed for something they did, especially in the EU? It responds by blaming the people at large for that specific issue. In the EU, up to now I have seen, multiple times the media blaming the western people and the European people for the "necessary" mass immigration, which is needed due to the failure of today's people to build a family and have children. Of course this is totally false. The mass immigration and "infertility" of the European people is just a plan they had from the beginning to bring in cheap labor, and eliminate the EU people who have economic demands by depopulation. This was done using neurological manipulation technologies of the secret services in the EU. Then the best part comes when they blame porn... which of course they have encouraged on a massive scale. In other words, the biggest porn investor in the world is the EU, and each of the EU's governments. They must have gotten caught doing that and of course what happens when they are caught? Blame just people at random. So the Europeans now bear the blame for the existence of porn on the internet, which was completely put up there by the EU and its member state's government.

And to the final question "Why there's such a low birth rate in Europe?" What does the EU respond? Porn!!!
Which is of course also false, again! The low birth rate is due, again, to neurological manipulations using technologies similar to MKULTRA, designed specifically for the destruction of the EU population.
Additionally considering the very high level of rationality of modern day people in Europe, the most important reason for them not to form a family is very simple: No expectation of economic safety and security in a society gone mad!
Why did it go mad? Ask the eurogarchs and eurocrats in Brussels. Maybe they have the answer, or maybe ... they are the answer. Of course aside from Brussels, every single EU member states govt is also responsible for the situation as they actively promoted the current level of degradation for decades, in their attempt to achieve a new feudal age nirvana!



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Squirlli
a reply to: Annee

I'm not going to have a petty argument over semantics with you. Common core has been around long enough that if American kids still suck at math, then it's obviously not working.


It's optional.

Some states have opted out. So, can't really assess if Common Core makes a difference.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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I was ignorant about it also, just like you, until my kids got wrapped up in Common Core.

It truly is important for parents to participate, but my trouble was -- especially with math -- the Common Core way is so different than the analog method of solving math problems that I had in school, I am virtually unable to help my kids learn math. If I teach them my way, and they don't show their work the Common Core way, then their work is counted as 'wrong'.

I really think memorizing multiplication tables works. It worked for me.

I have a middle child that is intelligent enough that she will be okay, even with Common Core.

But my youngest probably will become an artist, or tradesperson of some variety. She really really struggles with Common Core. Memorization is working for her, but her grades are so bad she is going to flunk this year, and will need to be held back. I feel completely powerless. I AM powerless, actually, and helpless to do much to help at all.

Common Core makes me angry as a parent. It is a huge beaurocratic juggernaught ... and the kids are getting lost to it.

I wish we could return to the way it was before 'the Core'.



posted on May, 16 2016 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Fowlerstoad

It truly is important for parents to participate, but my trouble was -- especially with math -- the Common Core way is so different than the analog method of solving math problems that I had in school, I am virtually unable to help my kids learn math. If I teach them my way, and they don't show their work the Common Core way, then their work is counted as 'wrong'.



It is hard. And I'm only in 1st grade.

I think there's actually online classes parents can sign up for.

We still do flash cards. They still want the kids to know their basic addition and multiplication tables.



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