Trump Switches Bait

Looks like people who supported the non-politician, Donald Trump, the outsider, are going to be treated to a typically political "shape shifting" as the Donald now aims to conform and to act less hostile toward the political establishment. This will be a necessity, of course, unless President Trump wants to be Secretary Trump multiple times over, as well as President.

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HOLLYWOOD, Fla. — Donald J. Trump’s newly installed campaign chief sought to assure members of the Republican National Committee on Thursday night that Mr. Trump recognized the need to reshape his persona and that his campaign would begin working with the political establishment that he has scorned to great effect.

Addressing about 100 committee members at the spring meeting here, many of them deeply skeptical about Mr. Trump’s candidacy, the campaign chief, Paul Manafort, bluntly suggested the candidate’s incendiary style amounted to an act.

“That’s what’s important for you to understand: That he gets it, and that the part he’s been playing is evolving,” Mr. Manafort said, suggesting that Mr. Trump was about to begin a more professional phase of his campaign.

Many observers did not need Mr. Manafort, LOBBYIST, that's Mr. Manafort, LOBBYIST, to tell them that Mr. Trump has been putting on an act, but still, it is nice to get it from from the horse's mouthpiece.

I doubt if many Trump supporters are interested in Mr. Manafort's background, but for those who are, it is discussed at the following link:

tarpley.net...

Trump’s Campaign Controller Manafort Was Lobbyist for US Front Group of Pakistan’s ISI . . .

a reply to: ipsedixit

It looks like Mr. Manafort does his job. Trump still looks like an azz.

a reply to: reldra

Trump supporters remind me of the British prisoners in the Japanese prison camp in the movie King Rat, chowing down on rat sold to them as something else, by "King Rat", and acting like gourmet diners at the Tour D'Argent in Paris. It's a mixture of comedy and compassion.

Please check out the Tax Wall Street Party.

a reply to: ipsedixit
Definitely will be voting for Trump. The West should be nationalistic. I definitely am. For my own nation. Will be watching now, this here thread.

If Trump does not bring in people who can play the system and does not soften his approach he has no chance of winning the election. We saw some of it yesterday with the Transgendered bathroom issue. This was an obvious concession on a minor issue to reach out to the moderates and liberals that are open to be swayed over to vote for him.

I disagree with Trump on the LBGT debate. I think Cruz is right.
However, better to concede on such a minor issue than to back down on the big issues that have seen him gain so much support.

There will be no perfect candidate ever.

a reply to: Tiamat384

im not in USA but i would vote trump - only because politics is just entertainment now, and he is the most entertaining.

a reply to: lSkrewloosel

That isnt even my reasoning. But really people take his words out of context and overall is he really as bad as people would like you to think? No. His policies are fine.

Sorry for the short response. On the phone and busy fir now!

Interesting, I wonder if this will have any affect on his supporters.

From your source:

But a person in attendance taped the speech and shared the recording with The New York Times.

I want to see the videotape, because I honestly don't believe the media. If true, I do believe being a little more professional while running for President would be beneficial for him.

I think that he is going to have to pivot somewhat to win and I think most of his supporters understand that. I know quite a few people that like him but cringe when he starts in with the name calling and such.

I also do not believe he's acting 100% of the time. It's like him tweeting... Sometimes I don't think he can help himself. He hasn't been/never was groomed to be a run of the mill politician so even if he pivots I am not sure he will be able to do so enough to put off his base even if he tried.

Trump can do whatever he wants as a candidate. Everyone else does, why not him?

My point is simply that Trump, the billionaire casino owner and developer is not an outsider in any really meaningful way. His supporters, who are voting for "Trump the outsider", are deluding themselves in my opinion.

Americans should definitely vote with their hearts and minds. The more this sort of thing happens, the greater the dissipation of false impressions that people around the world have about the United States and its people.

Trump's rallies leave one in no doubt that there is a considerable constituency in the United States who support authoritarian rule. Americans are not forming Marxist cells in the wake of the disintegration of democracy in the country. They are moving sharply right toward demagogic, nationalistic fascism in the body of Donald Trump.

This has been on the cards for a long time, but it is usually associated with American militarism, foreign and domestic, in the form of the military and prison industrial complexes.

Trump supporters should say it loud,"I'm a Nazi and I'm proud."

At least the doubters among the rest of us would know clearly what we are dealing with.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
I think that he is going to have to pivot somewhat to win and I think most of his supporters understand that. I know quite a few people that like him but cringe when he starts in with the name calling and such.

I also do not believe he's acting 100% of the time. It's like him tweeting... Sometimes I don't think he can help himself. He hasn't been/never was groomed to be a run of the mill politician so even if he pivots I am not sure he will be able to do so enough to put off his base even if he tried.

I agree - this is about extending his base so he has a chance against Hillary.
There will always be those that hate him so much that they can no longer be objective - so they will hit him no matter what he does. I think he can safely ignore those people and let them wallow in their own hatred.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Looks like people who supported the non-politician, Donald Trump, the outsider, are going to be treated to a typically political "shape shifting" as the Donald now aims to conform and to act less hostile toward the political establishment

That is no surprise.

Unfortunately the system is so corrupt and intertwined with slimy powerful entities such as the GOP,DNC, lobbyist and the MSM that you have to play ball in order to take them down or you never get a shot.

The question is will he stop playing Ball once he infiltrates, IMO I don't think he will.

Heck he already has played ball by deceiving the public on the illegal immigration issue. Or perhaps he isn't that smart to see the real problem,consequences and solution with illegal immigration , which is one of the easiest problems to identify and fix?

a reply to: UKTruth

Trump himself has said that he could walk out on the street and shoot somebody and still not lose support.

I think that is true. He knows his supporters and knows that rationality holds no appeal for them. He can do anything he wants and it will never be critically analyzed by them.

a reply to: interupt42

Jesse Ventura said that there is a big difference between the methods of a corporate CEO and a politician. To that extent, political incompetence, Trump is an outsider. He's learning the game and his goal, particularly in hiring LOBBYIST Paul Manafort to manage his campaign, is undoubtedly to become a competent politician, the very thing that his supporters have such an aversion for.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump himself has said that he could walk out on the street and shoot somebody and still not lose support.

I think that is true. He knows his supporters and knows that rationality holds no appeal for them. He can do anything he wants and it will never be critically analyzed by them.

I think that was metaphor.
I suspect that if he committed murder, he would indeed be condemned.

It's probably less of a metaphor if one said; Trump could save the life of every man woman and child in America and his haters would still hate him.

originally posted by: UKTruth

I think that was metaphor.
I suspect that if he committed murder, he would indeed be condemned.

Not necessarily by his supporters. One would hope that he would be arrested but nobody in the cabinet of George W. Bush has been arrested. W. didn't walk out onto the street and shoot somebody but he ignored something like 29 congressional subpoenas and was not arrested.

This will be a little esoteric but years ago on the night that the Parti Québécois, a separatist party, was elected for the first time to power in that province of Canada, their leader, René Lévesque, killed a drunken reveler who was asleep in the street near his parked car, by running him over accidentally. Lévesque himself was drunk, but no arrest was made and the whole thing was hushed up.

Funny things and sometimes completely outrageous things are accepted and glossed over by people in irrationalist movements.

It's probably less of a metaphor if one said; Trump could save the life of every man woman and child in America and his haters would still hate him.

I think that is true as far as it goes but I don't hate Trump, personally. I just think he is a fascist demagogue and unfit to hold public office. It's just a cold political analysis, but I think that sort of thing is alien to Trump supporters. They are too fervent and emotional about this particular presidential race.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
I think that he is going to have to pivot somewhat to win and I think most of his supporters understand that. I know quite a few people that like him but cringe when he starts in with the name calling and such.

I also do not believe he's acting 100% of the time. It's like him tweeting... Sometimes I don't think he can help himself. He hasn't been/never was groomed to be a run of the mill politician so even if he pivots I am not sure he will be able to do so enough to put off his base even if he tried.

I agree - this is about extending his base so he has a chance against Hillary.
There will always be those that hate him so much that they can no longer be objective - so they will hit him no matter what he does. I think he can safely ignore those people and let them wallow in their own hatred.

Wait? I am trying to think of who exactly he would be appealing to by pandering to the RNC Establishment?

Bernie voters? Independents who don't even want to identify as any party? Tea-Party Cruz supporters? Do any voters even exist that like the RNC Establishment?

I would think his best move would be to set himself apart from Establishment-darling Hillary.

I read this as a two-part script in a production called, 'Delivering a Democrat Victory, in November 2016' --

• Act I: Turn Off A Lot of Voters By Being Polarazing & Crass

• Act II: Turn Off Everyone Else By Pandering to the RNC Establishment

a reply to: ipsedixit

Jesse Ventura said that there is a big difference between the methods of a corporate CEO and a politician.

True , the politician works for the CEO. The question is why would a CEO want to be a politician?

IMO and gut feeling is,

1. I don't think Trump is as rich and powerful as many think .

2. I think trump has an ego complex and I don't think the other Billionaires think very highly of him or as being one of them. More importantly , they likely don't give him the respect he thinks he deserves.

3. He likes getting revenge on those that he feels don't give him respect or make him look unpowerful and rich.

4. His election this year likely started like all his other , a way to generate income by getting free PR from the MSM. He listed his main asset as the Trump brand at 2-3 Billion . So a big portion of his worth is what people perceive his worth to be, hence why he is always trying to get attention in the media unlike the other Billionaires by being purposely controversial.

However, I think somehow he figured WTF people are supporting me in this election and somewhere down the road he bought his own BS.

Plus I think he is looking forward to having the other CEO and Billionaires come to him for a change and possibly get some respect he feels warranted. Also could explain why the establishment supposedly doesn't want him.

In the end and like all politicians its about Trump.

To me he is a wild card with a remote chance ( .001% ) that he might actually stick it to lobbyist only because of his ego. That .001% isn't much but its better than Hillaries and Cruz .0%

So for me it boils down to:

HIllary Vs Trump = Trump
Hillary Vs Cruz = not even worth voting.
Bernie Vs Trump = Bernie

my .01 because Obamacare took the other .01

a reply to: ipsedixit

I think the larger point is that after nearly a year of constantly defending every polarizing and crass statement Trump has made, his supporters are DEEPLY invested in him.

They've invested so much time and energy in him, it would take a lot to walk away from him now.

Would they still defend him if he shot a man on the street? I think it's likely that some deeply invested supporters would.

a reply to: interupt42

I think that you are right in suspecting that Trump edged himself into the campaign with modest expectations of success and was surprised by what happened. Also, Trump`s psychological needs play a big role in determining his course of action. In that latter way, he is the mirror of his supporters.

If he gets the Republican nomination, it`s a whole new ball game. I think he could conceivably beat anyone in the race, particularly if he managed to get control of his mouth.

I don`t know, at this point in American history if Hillary Clinton is a bigger crook than any other politician or is just worse at being a crook. I suspect that Donald Trump is very shady, but that is based on a generalized knowledge of the gaming and construction industries.