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Trump: Transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want

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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 09:24 AM
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Trump is wrong! Yup...I said it and I support Trump. Here is why.

Transgender people are estimated at .3 percent of the population. That leaves the rest of us, 99.7 percent as the "other side" of the issue. You may call it discrimination when you can't "do what I want", but that isn't true. Yes...you already know that but I'll say it anyway. Just because you want something and don't get it doesn't make it "discrimination".

But lets try this. When you say to all "regular" men and women that they will have to endure sharing a bathroom with a person of the opposite sex, because otherwise, this .3 percent extreme minority is being discriminated against...what you are doing is discriminating against the majority. You are FORCING a woman to have to shower in a room where a male may be standing right behind her, or next to her...in a place where she was previously able to NOT deal with that situation. You have taken a logical right (logical because that is the ENTIRE REASON for having separate rooms in the first place) away from this woman...and all women...and all men...to have some same-sex privacy.

If you really believe that it is fair to tell the vast majority of people that they have to lose something that was put in place intentionally because of the WANT of .3 percent of the population to "do whatever they want"...you have a real misunderstanding of the words FAIR and EQUAL.

Then you do something else that you're probably too short-thinking to understand. You have created some level of anger, dis-like or hate toward the cause of these people's loss. You have created a REASON for "regular" men and women to not like the trans community.

But then again...you are probably a liberal if you support this and that means you NEED the citizens to dislike each other.
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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 09:39 AM
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RE: www.foxnews.com... tml


It's rare that we agree with a candidate or President on EVERY issue. Same goes for spouses, LOL.


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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
RE: www.foxnews.com... tml


It's rare that we agree with a candidate or President on EVERY issue. Same goes for spouses, LOL.


Yup...Obama and the liberals. Champion of the .3%, enemy of the 99.7%.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

So what makes you think the vast majority of "regular" people are going to have to be in a public shower with only .3% of the population? Like maybe 1 or 2 women a year would have to deal with this terrifying situation, if that many? That's waaaaay less then .3% of the total population of "regular" people. Why should we have to worry about .00000000003% of the population?

Hmmmmm?



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Sorry...the math doesn't work that way. What you are stealing from the "regular" (sorry...don't know what other word to use) people is something they have always had. The promise of privacy of same-sex seclusion within a separate room where there was no chance of the opposite sex being in the area. That is being taken away from 100% of these people to appease the "want" of .3 percent of the population.

It simply isn't fair. I have no problem if the solution is a third bathroom titled "communal" and I have no problem with trying to find a solution to accommodate, as best as possible and reasonable, this .3 percent of the population. But what is being forced upon the majority is'n't that. It is an attack upon these people...theft of something they count on. And in my personal opinion...it is being done by a certain part of the government and a certain part of the transgender community for the purpose of causing a problem. But I won't go off in a different direction.

In short...when you logically look at the percentages, the history, the reason for the separation, etc...this isn't fair and therefore is wrong.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Actually, the math does in fact work that way. The odds of being in a public shower with a transgender person at any time is astronomical. Any person who goes into a public shower should know that they have a higher chance of getting blown up by a terrorist in that public shower than they have of showering next to a transgender person.

I've got some distressing news for you that's gonna cook your noodle. There has probably been some transgender females who have transitioned completely who have been in public showers, and no one even knew it. So it's already been happening. GASP!!!



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

I get the feeling that discussing this with you is going to be pointless because you are arguing from emotion and not from logic. I don't mean any offence by that...I understand that for some people this is an emotional topic. It isn't for me.

But what you are essentially saying is the IN FAIRNESS you are willing to be give to transgendered people but be UNFAIR to everyone else and take from them. If you were to argue that we need a third bathroom...I'd give that one to you. I would call that logical. I would probably argue who should have to pay for it, but I would agree that is a fair solution.

This isn't.

Or...you are part of "the problem" and what you are arguing isn't the logic nor the emotion...but are a militant. Yes, there are those within government and the transgender community that don't want fairness but want to shove things in people's faces for the sheer joy of saying "you must accept me" or "I'm here deal with it". I don't know you...but if that is your position, any discussion is a waste of time.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Oh...how about an example of the "math" problem. The way you are calculating is like saying that taking my gun from me only impacts me when I wish to use the gun. But you are taking the gun from me all the time. Not just when I want to use it. By taking the gun, you take the security of my knowing it is there.
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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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Here's a news flash for you. Transgender people are using restrooms right now just as they have been.


Exactly. Legislating it won't change a thing, except cause more distraction from actual issues.

If one really feels strong about it, simple solution, push for unisex bathrooms with stalls to the ceilings, walls, and floor, and it's a no-brainer.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Assuming that the 99.7% you're speaking of agree with you.

You have to assume that some of those 99.7% would support Trump's opinion on the bathroom issue.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

LOL, people getting upset that they might have to shower with a transgender person is logical???? That little hangup is totally based on emotion.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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If I read all the statements correctly, Trump is more in the "leave it like it is" camp, which of course, has basically worked for decades....

One dumb decision by Target, compounded by an idiot law in North Carolina and somehow this is a national issue? I can't believe we've been talking about this for 19 pages.


LOL, people getting upset that they might have to shower with a transgender person is logical???? That little hangup is totally based on emotion.


One of these days, I'll understand this issue with nudity. Somehow, I just missed that gene I guess. It just seems so ludicrous to me. The funny part is that in ancient times, it didn't seem to be an issue at all. For example, in any household, pretty safe bet that at one point or another, you've all seen each other naked. After that, why bother? I'm not saying to walk around in the buff all the time, but walking into the hall out of the shower to get a towel shouldn't make you feel all weird about someone (who has seen you naked plenty of times before) seeing you. Nudity does not have to equal sex or sexual feelings. Geez.
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posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

False equivalency. Showering is not the same thing as self defense. Showering with a transgender person is not a life or death matter. You are basing your argument on emotion, not logic.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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Not sure but where I come from if a mans in the woman's room on a good day he would go to jail on a bad day he would be tagged and bagged. It's criminal unless a lot of laws are changed. Simple as that.




posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

False equivalency. Showering is not the same thing as self defense. Showering with a transgender person is not a life or death matter. You are basing your argument on emotion, not logic.

Yeah...we are done. Obviously you are arguing for one of those "other reasons".



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: redshoes

And I would assume that some percentage of the .3 don't give a crap about using the bathroom that matches their biological sex.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

False equivalency. Showering is not the same thing as self defense. Showering with a transgender person is not a life or death matter. You are basing your argument on emotion, not logic.

Yeah...we are done. Obviously you are arguing for one of those "other reasons".


Obviously you are losing the argument.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Gazrok
If I read all the statements correctly, Trump is more in the "leave it like it is" camp, which of course, has basically worked for decades....

One dumb decision by Target, compounded by an idiot law in North Carolina and somehow this is a national issue? I can't believe we've been talking about this for 19 pages.


LOL, people getting upset that they might have to shower with a transgender person is logical???? That little hangup is totally based on emotion.


One of these days, I'll understand this issue with nudity. Somehow, I just missed that gene I guess. It just seems so ludicrous to me. The funny part is that in ancient times, it didn't seem to be an issue at all. For example, in any household, pretty safe bet that at one point or another, you've all seen each other naked. After that, why bother? I'm not saying to walk around in the buff all the time, but walking into the hall out of the shower to get a towel shouldn't make you feel all weird about someone (who has seen you naked plenty of times before) seeing you. Nudity does not have to equal sex or sexual feelings. Geez.

I happen to agree with you about nudity. But the majority of people would have an issue with this at least here in the USA. And I wouldn't want to be the one to tell someone who is uncomfortable with nudity that they have no choice and are forced to be in that situation. The fact that we have separate baths, showers, close the door when we crap and masturbate in private is probably a good test of our collective need for privacy from others...even for completely natural acts.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.



posted on May, 13 2016 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: Gazrok
If I read all the statements correctly, Trump is more in the "leave it like it is" camp, which of course, has basically worked for decades....

One dumb decision by Target, compounded by an idiot law in North Carolina and somehow this is a national issue? I can't believe we've been talking about this for 19 pages.


LOL, people getting upset that they might have to shower with a transgender person is logical???? That little hangup is totally based on emotion.


One of these days, I'll understand this issue with nudity. Somehow, I just missed that gene I guess. It just seems so ludicrous to me. The funny part is that in ancient times, it didn't seem to be an issue at all. For example, in any household, pretty safe bet that at one point or another, you've all seen each other naked. After that, why bother? I'm not saying to walk around in the buff all the time, but walking into the hall out of the shower to get a towel shouldn't make you feel all weird about someone (who has seen you naked plenty of times before) seeing you. Nudity does not have to equal sex or sexual feelings. Geez.

The fact that we have separate baths, showers, close the door when we crap and masturbate in private is probably a good test of our collective need for privacy from others...even for completely natural acts.


Why is this Transgender bathroom issue such a big deal this year? Are transgendered people a recent invention?



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