God Did It! The rest is post modern chatter!

DO YOU KNOW WHO GOD IS?
Do you know who 'god' is? God is not Visnu (a deity) or Siva (energy) or Brahma (creator), not the wind, the sun nor the moon; not I or you; not Laksmi, or the mind (intellect).

God is without form and undivided (not in the objects); that splendor (devanam) which is not made and which has neither beginning nor end is known as god (deva) which is pure consciousness (awareness).

That alone is fit to be worshipped; that alone is all.

If one is unable to worship this consciousness, then he is encouraged to worship the form. The latter yields finite results, but the former (consciousness) bestows infinite bliss. He who ignores the infinite and is devoted to the finite abandons a pleasure garden, and seeks the thorny bush.

However, sages sometimes worship a form playfully.

Now for the articles used in worship: wisdom, self-control and the perception of the Self in all beings are the foremost among those articles. The Self alone is consciousness, which is fit to be worshipped at all times with the flowers of wisdom.

Indeed only infinite consciousness (cid-akasa) which alone exists even after the cosmic dissolution, exists even now, utterly devoid of objectivity. All these mountains, the whole world, the firmament, the Self, the jiva (individual) and all the elements of which the world is constituted - all these are nothing but pure consciousness.

Before the so-called creation, when only this pure consciousness existed, where were all these (heaven, etc)?

Space (akasa), supreme or infinite space (paramakasam), absolute space (brahmakasam), creation, consciousness - are mere words and they indicate the same truth, even as synonyms do.

Even as the duality experienced in a dream is illusory, the duality implied in the creation of the world is illusory. Even as the dream objects seem to exist and function in the inner world of consciousness in a dream, objects seem to exist and function in the outer world of consciousness during the wakeful state.

Nothing really happens in both these states. Even as consciousness alone is the reality in the dream state, consciousness alone is the substance in the wakeful state too.

That is the Lord, this is the supreme truth, that you are, that am I, that is all.

The worship of that Lord (consciousness) is true worship, and by that worship one attains everything. Consciousness is undivided and indivisible, non-dual and neither fashioned nor created by activity; it is not attained by external efforts. Its adoration is the fountain source of joy.

The external worship of a form (deity, holy personage) is prescribed for those whose intelligence has not be awakened, and who are immature like little boys. When one does not have self-control, he uses flowers in worship; such worship is futile, even as adoring the Self in an external form is futile. However these immature devotees derive satisfaction by worshipping an object created by themselves, they may even earn worthless reward from such worship.

I shall now describe to you the mode of worship appropriate to enlightened people. The Lord fit to be worshipped is the one who upholds the entire creation, who is beyond thoughts and description, who is beyond the concepts of even the 'all' and the 'collective totality.'

He alone is referred to as 'God' who is undivided and indivisible by space and time, who's light illumines all the objects, who is pure and absolute consciousness. He is that intelligence which is beyond all its parts, which is hidden in all that is, which is the being in all that is and which robs all that is of their being (i.e. which veils the truth of their Self). This God is in the middle of being and non-being (as awareness). It is God, and the truth that is indicated by 'Om'. It (awareness) exists everywhere, like the essence in a plant.

The pure consciousness which is in you, in me and in all the gods and goddesses alone is God. Holy one, eve the other gods endowed with form are indeed nothing but that pure consciousness. That is God, that is 'all' I am; everything is attained from and through him.

a reply to: JimNasium


That God is not distant from anyone, nor is he difficult to attain: since he is forever seated in the body and he is everywhere like space.

Somewhere this consciousness functions as space, somewhere as jiva (individual), somewhere as action, somewhere as substance and so forth; but without intending to do so. Even as all the different oceans are but one indivisible mass of water, this consciousness, though described ain different ways, is but one cosmic mass of consciousness.

This consciousness is like a mirror which holds a reflection within itself, as it were, without undergoing any modification thereby. Without undergoing any modification in itself, this consciousness appears as all these countless beings in this universe.

In this body, thoughts and notions generate action in the light of this very consciousness. Surely, but for this consciousness even an object which is immediately in front of oneself cannot be experienced? The body cannot function or exist but for this consciousness. It grows, it falls, it eats. This consciousness creates and maintains all the movable and immovable beings in the universe. The infinite consciousness alone exists, nothing else exists. Consciousness alone has arisen in consciousness.

Consciousness does not undergo any modification nor does it become impure. The infinite consciousness which is unmodified and non-dual, can be realized by one in the self-luminous inner light (of awareness). It is pure and eternal, it is ever present and (being awareness) devoid of mind.

Consciousness alone is the reality in all forms (of existence) and all experiences. Action springs from thought, thought is the function of the mind, mind is conditioned consciousness, but consciousness is unconditioned!

Since the omnipresent infinite consciousness alone is present at all times, diversity is absurd and impossible. Belief in the existence of a goblin creates it. Belief in diversity establishes it. When the non-dual being is known, duality vanishes instantly.

That infinite consciousness alone is fit to be adored and worshipped. However, there is no use in inviting it for the worship; no mantra are of any use in its worship for it is immediate (closest, one's own self), and hence does not need to be invited. It is the omnipresent self of all.

The 'realization' of this infinite consciousness (which is totally effortless) is alone the best form of worship.

This infinite consciousness can be compared to the ultimate sub-atomic particle which yet hides within its heart the greatest of all mountains. It encompasses the span of countless epochs, but does not let go of a moment of time. It does nothing, yet it has fashioned the universe. Sustaining the entire universe, it does nothing at all. All substances are not different from it, yet it is not a substance; thought it is non-substantial, it pervades all substances.

The supreme being is formless, and yet the following five are its aspects: will, space, time, order (or destiny) and the cosmic unmanifest nature. It has countless powers or energies or potencies. Chief among them are knowledge, dynamics, action and non-action. All these are but pure consciousness; because they are called the potencies of consciousness, they are apparently regarded as distinct from consciousness, though in fact they are not.

This entire creation is like a stage on which all these potencies of consciousness dance to the tune of time.

The foremost among these is known as 'order' (the natural order of things and sequences). It is also known as action, desire or will-to-do, time and so on. It is this potency that ordains that each thing should have a certain characteristic - from the blade of grass to the creator Brahma. This natural order is free from excitement but not purified of its limitation: that (natural order) is what dances a dance-drama known as the world-appearance.

It portrays various moods (compassion, anger and so on), it produces and removes various seasons and epochs, it is accompanied by the celestial music and the roaring of the oceans, its stage is illumined by the sun and the moon and the stars, its actors and actresses are the living beings in all the worlds - such is the dance of the natural order.

The Lord who is infinite consciousness is the silent but alert witness of this cosmic dance. He is not different from the dancer (the cosmic natural order) and the dance (the happenings).

(Concise Yoga Vasistha pg 292 to 296 - ISBN: 087395954X)

Vaya Con Dios

a reply to: spy66

And why would there be? How can you study something that doest show itself. That doesn't do anything. That's completely absent from human dealings.

a reply to: Joecanada11


You dont understand what God is do you?


There is a physical and logical reason why God the Source cant show it self to you or science.


Science is Limited to the study of Our observable universe,.. by being Limited by the speed of light. That is thee main reason science cant observe the Source (God).


You on the other hand cant observe the infinite. You can only observe finite.


But God must also be finite, but you are not ready for that knowledge yet. Because you dont know what state a void that is absolute would be.

a reply to: spy66

Again all talk and no proof of a creator being. That's fine if you want to believe. I don't.

a reply to: Joecanada11

See I believe (note the word) that there are MANY deities (including this Jehovah/Allah Dude), and I see that from the same evidence. I have no proof, but I see it

a reply to: Noinden

That's fine believe what you like. It doesn't mean the bible is infallible. If this Jehovah exists he's no friend of mine either. He has a penchant for ruthless killing .

a reply to: Joecanada11

I never said it was, nor that I have proof of a damned thing, beyond my own feelings The difference here, is I understand the flaws in putting belief over evidence, when you are talking about reality.

a reply to: Noinden

I know.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: spy66

Again all talk and no proof of a creator being. That's fine if you want to believe. I don't.

There is proof. Its just that you dont understand it. It is probably also why you are here.

If Our universe was formed 13,79 billion years ago. Our universe have never taken up all Space there is. That makes Our universe a finite in both time and scale. That means there must exists a different void of Space that must take up all Space there is.

This void of space that takes up all Space there is, is the only void, and Source that could have formed Our universe. A void that takes up all Space there is.....is absolute, and absolute infinite, and have always existen and always will.


A different Clue to this Whole issue is Our univers expansion. How would you explain that the expansion is Equal in all directions... as if there is no resistance, no friction?

a reply to: spy66

Our universe have never taken up all Space there is.

Our Universe is all of the space (and time) that is.
By definition. Infinite or otherwise.

Anything else is something else.

a reply to: spy66

In all of the Universe there is no void there is substance everywhere...
The Void is what was before anything was and could only be the absence of anything... In other words was nothing at all...not even space because said space would have been contained by something...
Because energy is said to be eternal that which can not be created through natural means or natural process it is from elsewhere somewhere beyond the void it was the introduction of matter as energy into nothingness from the smallest of all possible measurement... I purpose it was the introduction of this material into absolutely nothing which was the same as mixing matter with antimatter... This was the singularity which produced what is known as the big bang...
I believe it is these same opposing forces which are causing the expansion of the Universe...
Light and dark... good and evil...life and death... These were caused to be intertwined but they do not mix together yet because of circumstance were forced to...
And I believe God did it... I think the expulsion from the garden is a reference to this fact although it would not be in the order purposed by Genesis...
Ill tell you what leads me to believe this could be true... Before the expulsion the state of existence is said to be that of perfection and Immortality... To me this is saying the condition or the state of all matter itself was entirely different that it was unbound by even time... Because we now have proof that even at the furthest reaches of the universe Einsteins theory of the speed of light holds true... Then it is safe to say time passes the same everywhere in the Universe... So all energy and mass being eternal originated from a seperate dimension that was timeless or eternal...
That is only one reason why I think God did it...
And also why I say science will one day say he did...
This will come about when no further observation can be made... And all that will be left is the realization (not a guess) of the introduction of that which required supernatural means...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: spy66

Our universe have never taken up all Space there is.

Our Universe is all of the space (and time) that is.
By definition. Infinite or otherwise.

Anything else is something else.

Of course it is. According to wiki Our universe is : all of time and space and "its contents".[9][10][11][12] The Universe includes planets, natural satellites, minor planets, stars, galaxies, "the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy".

----- Everything that was formed after the Big Bang.

Our universe cant take up all Space there is if it was formed 13,79 billion years ago. something else does.

a reply to: spy66

How do you know that any space exists outside of the universe or how much can be taken up? According to science, time and space itself was created during the big bang, so I have to ask, what "empty space" you are talking about and what evidence you have to suggest it exists outside of the known universe.

a reply to: Barcs

Whatever exists beyond the Universe would not exist to us visually... Nor would we be able to interact with it physically ...Even if we would be at the very edge of it to try and see...
You are right in assuming it would not be more space...In the sense space is perceived...
Because there would be nothing there...
You can be sure everything that is percieved by us is some form of illusion a lot like a house of mirrors...

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: spy66

How do you know that any space exists outside of the universe or how much can be taken up? According to science, time and space itself was created during the big bang, so I have to ask, what "empty space" you are talking about and what evidence you have to suggest it exists outside of the known universe.

When science talk about Space time they are talking about Our expanding universe that was formed 13.799 billion years ago. Science cant speak about anything else because they cant observe anything else. The observable universe is it.

I know that Space time existed before the Big Bang. Because the Big Bang happened. The Big Bang needed a Space to take Place in, and to be able to expand within. If there were no Space time prior to the Big Bang, there would be no Big Bang....where and how would it take Place if a Space time didnt exist prior ?

What evidence do i have that the void outside Our expanding universe is absolute empty ( absolute free Space)?

Because how Our universe is expanding equally in all directions at the same time, even at the edge of the observable universe. The expansion of Our universe is not slowing Down. Not even at the edge of the observable point.

If the void surrounding Our universe was stronger or Equal to Ours. There would be no expansion. If the void was stronger Our universe would be compressing and the distance between galaxies, matter and praticles would become more dense (compressed).

originally posted by: spy66
Because how Our universe is expanding equally in all directions at the same time, even at the edge of the observable universe. The expansion of Our universe is not slowing Down. Not even at the edge of the observable point.

Where did you get that idea from that it is expanding equally in all directions?

If the void surrounding Our universe was stronger or Equal to Ours. There would be no expansion. If the void was stronger Our universe would be compressing and the distance between galaxies, matter and praticles would become more dense (compressed).

How could you possibly know that? What if there is no void and the universe is just an expanding bubble with nothing outside of it?

a reply to: Barcs

How could you possibly know that? What if there is no void and the universe is just an expanding bubble with nothing outside of it?

Because i know that the nothing outside the expanding bobble as you state it, is a vacuum void of absolute free Space. And it is infinite and its timeline is a absolute constant.


How can i possibly know that? Because of how Our universe is expanding.

Science is right about one thing. Our universe is the only universe With a expanding timeline. The other is a absolute constant. With a absolute constant timeline.

a reply to: spy66

Care to show how any of that is fact? No seriously. Saying it is so, is not evidence.

The space between all things is growing because the space between them is the very fabric of time...
The more time passes the greater it becomes...

This is where space travel is headed should we ever succeed to traverse to other stars...
It is about shrinking the distance between us and the stars by shrinking space itself...
Successfully shrinking space through the alteration of the force which governs it by gathering up the space between us and a star.... This is not about speed or being capable of faster than light travel... Yet the illusion of you achieving such speed would be a reality should you succeed in shrinking space as you would have then successfully travelled backwards through time itself...