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King David's descendant - King of Israel

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posted on Jan, 13 2005 @ 11:18 AM
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The Sanhedrin are re-established ... the temple is to be rebuilt
... and now they have established the lineage of King David and
are ready to crown one of his descendants as King of Israel.

I'm not the type to blow the 'end of the world' whistle .... but
all this is rather interesting.

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www.jpost.com.../JPArticle/Printer&cid=1105418785934

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Yaakov Katz
THE JERUSALEM POST
Jan. 12, 2005

According to a group of 71 Jewish scholars who met this week in the Old City of Jerusalem in the form of a modern-day Sanhedrin – a duplicate of the religious tribunal which convened during the time of the Second Temple – a coronation day is growing closer.

The group composed largely of Kahane sympathizers that gave itself the name Sanhedrin in October, however, met Sunday to discuss the creation of a Jewish monarchy in the State of Israel.

For the past several years a group called the Monarchists has conducted extensive research into the lineage of several families in an effort to discover who has the closest bloodline to the biblical King David – a requirement for any future Jewish king.

Rabbi Yosef Dayan from Psagot, known for his recent threats to place a death curse on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is said to be a leading candidate to become the "king of Israel."

"Dayan has the best lineage to King David," several members of the Sanhedrin told The Jerusalem Post. They say he has two documented ancient sources which draw a direct line between him and the males in his family to King David some 3,000 years ago.


[edit on 1/13/2005 by FlyersFan]




posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The Sanhedrin are re-established ... the temple is to be rebuilt
... and now they have established the lineage of King David and
are ready to crown one of his descendants as King of Israel.

I'm not the type to blow the 'end of the world' whistle .... but
all this is rather interesting.

*******************************************
www.jpost.com.../JPArticle/Printer&cid=1105418785934

excerpt



Yaakov Katz
THE JERUSALEM POST
Jan. 12, 2005

According to a group of 71 Jewish scholars who met this week in the Old City of Jerusalem in the form of a modern-day Sanhedrin – a duplicate of the religious tribunal which convened during the time of the Second Temple – a coronation day is growing closer.

The group composed largely of Kahane sympathizers that gave itself the name Sanhedrin in October, however, met Sunday to discuss the creation of a Jewish monarchy in the State of Israel.

For the past several years a group called the Monarchists has conducted extensive research into the lineage of several families in an effort to discover who has the closest bloodline to the biblical King David – a requirement for any future Jewish king.

Rabbi Yosef Dayan from Psagot, known for his recent threats to place a death curse on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, is said to be a leading candidate to become the "king of Israel."

"Dayan has the best lineage to King David," several members of the Sanhedrin told The Jerusalem Post. They say he has two documented ancient sources which draw a direct line between him and the males in his family to King David some 3,000 years ago.


[edit on 1/13/2005 by FlyersFan]



There is only one slight problem here...it doesn't matter how many males he can trace himself back to..by jewish law and canon it is the 'mother' who determines ones jewishness since [as we have reasoned for almost 6,000 years] one only truly knows who his mother is.
Recently we have had reinforcement to that idea with the discovery of the innate properties and qualities conferred by the mitochondrial DNA..which is traced back through the female line and not the male.
he could provide geneological charts and wedding certificates going back to Moses and beyond and that still proves nothing under jewish law. Unless one has an ancient cloth known to be from the House of David..or some left over pubes from an old royal cloak known to be King David's that can be compared with his own DNA smear, Reb Dayan has got lessss than bupkis for a claim. These rabbis are out for other things than the manifestation of God's glory or to bring about the messiah's return. Believe me when I say their concerns are much more earthly.

Oh, and one more thing...to date not a stone, slab, or scrap of paper can be found anywhere in the middle east confirming the existence of King Solomon or his Temple. Not one.

Go figure...

-Sincerely
-Shai



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 11:40 AM
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very true shai...
we have really no physical evidence of the exodus, solomon...none of it really.
Bunch of stuff claiming stuff, but still.

Someone knows...the info is out there somewhere...
as for now, we can all claim we are next in the line to be king!


Gods peace to all

dAlen



posted on Jan, 15 2005 @ 12:49 PM
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'Jewishness' does indeed come from the mother, as in if your mother is Jewish and your father is not, then you are Jewish but if the situation is reversed then you are not. But royal lineage is determined by father to son inheritance I believe.



posted on Jan, 20 2005 @ 04:28 AM
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Dear Dalen,

Here's how it works with royalty..jewish, that is...
Yes, you are right, kingship is conferred to the male heir and royalty passed through the males...however, should it occur that a king produces no male heir , the daughter would be married to a suitable 'royal' from another house or side of the family...or sometimes a chosen virgin from one of the slave families.
You read about the practice in the Old Testament....a patriarch's wife cannot conceive so he sleeps with his wife's slave girl and the child born is considered the heir..BUT..it is understood that the slave is a 'surrogate' mother t, that she has no rights, being the 'property' of the patriarch's wife.

But that was the custom before David, the 1st real 'King' of Israel...[forget Saul, the precursor..he is not really considered 'royal' in the way David
is..]
And it is his bloodline we are discussing. And this is the strange bit ..In the book of 2nd Samuel , chapter 11 we read about the relationship King David has with Bathsheba..the wife of Uriah the Hittite. he sees her bathing from his rooftop [naked no doubt] and invites her to come and sleep with him, which she does. A child is conceived, but God is unhappy with this adulterous behaviour, and despicable break of honor in the King..especially since, in order to ensure his pleasures with Bathsheba are uninterrupted by the jealous husband, David dispatches Uriah to the most dangerous of front lines where he is promptly killed. The Bible goes on to say that Bathsheba bears David a son, but as punishment for the grave sin David committed, God strikes the child with a fever and he dies.
David had other sons by, presumably , 10 other [presumably 'legitimate'wives plus concubines...but after Uriah dies and a suitable period of 'mourning has passed', they marry..[making Bathsheba David's 11th legal wife..BTW note that we are introduced to her in chapter 11]
But we are only told of her bearing one son, who dies. In fact, up to this point every son of David we read about in Samuel has come to a bad end.
So desperate for a legitiimate male heir to be born to King david are his people that even as he lay dying and chilled to the bone..so much so that even blankets cannot keep him warm, a virgin is procured to sleep with him, but, alas, David cannot get it up and no child is conceived...
But in1st Kings we read that a son of one of david's concubines is making plans to assume the throne..since he is a direct male descendant, in blood, of his father David.
Now, here comes the strange bit....1st Kings,1: 11 "Then Nathan asked Bathsheba, Solomon's mother, 'Have you not heard that Adonijah, Haggith's son, has declared himself king with our lord David's knowing it?'
At which point a plan is hatched wherein Bathsheba goes in to remind David of an oath he made [one not recorded in scripture] an oath before God to make Bathsheba's 2nd son, Solomon, King.
In order to secure his 'dynasty' Solomon's first order of business is to have his older [half-]brother Adonijah killed, thus remaining the only 'legitimate' male heir to the throne, by blood.

For these radical rabbis of modern age to support anyone's claim of being descended from the line of David they would have to prove FIRST a direct relationship back to King Solomon, who the Bible tells us is the first 'dynastic 'king of israel..the first to inherit a crown through blood..being the 2nd son of David and his 11th wife.

But Solomon had "a thousand wives" , they say...and you can read all about his antics in the Bible..but here, again is the problem..
As I noted in my other posts..we have yet to find any archeaological evidence of Solomon anywhere in the Holy Land,,we have to corroborating documents or evidence form the historical record..no coins or statues with his image or imprint..no records of other kings having met him or signed a treaty.
We have Bupkis when it comes to 'evidence' of Solomon..and that goes for his Temple, too.

In fact, here's a site I dug up about a related 'solomonic' relic and you can see what I mean...
www.bbc.co.uk...

On a side note..Jesus's claim to kingship of Israel was based on his being a blood descendant of David through Solomon's line.

And that sets off an entirely new thread about the royal bloodline..the Holy Grail ...something I will not delve into here.

What I would like to emohasize upon closing this epitstle is that it, when reading scripture it is first and foremost all about the numbers.
Non-hebrew speakers are at somehwat of a disadvantage, since you cannot add up the letters in each word and verse and 'see'the whole picture..But, as I said, if you ask the critical questions and look for the 'indicators' you will still end up pretty close to the real 'truth' of the Bible.

[* HintIt is all about 3's 5's 7's 11's and 40's ....you'll see.]

;-)

Good hunting
-Shai




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