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posted on Jun, 16 2003 @ 07:22 AM

"the F-22s radar will be detected by an enemy plane before the F-22 detects the enemy."

posted on Jun, 16 2003 @ 12:17 PM
Very good link $tranger.

But I don't see why you think it's funny.

posted on Jun, 16 2003 @ 03:02 PM
The F-22 mainly does air superiority missions.

Not true, it can drop JDAMS too.

The F22 is not a Stealthy Aircraft.

How does he/she dares to say that.

The Radar Cross Section of a plane is basically, how much echo the plane sends from radar. Everything has a Radar Cross Section (or RCS), but where birds have approximately a .01 square meter RCS, the Raptor has almost the same RCS. The B2 Bomber has a radar cross section of .75 square meters.

It has the same RCS of a BIRD

It sais that the F-22 is not s stealthy aircraft, because it is visible... EVERTY AIRCRAFT IS VISIBLE.

It sais The temperature increases of supersonic cruising flights make the F-22s beacons in the sky to infrared sensors.

NONSENSE, it has highly advanced supercruise engines, which enables it to fly supersonic (mach 1.6) WITHOUT using it's afterburners. Untill now, no other aircraft can do that! Except for the JSF, because that aircraft uses the same engine.

The F22 has not yet demonstrated effective supersonic cruise

From the official F-22 raptop website:

"F/A-22 testing marks the first time in history a fighter has flown Supercruise, sustaining speeds of Mach 1.5 or greater without using afterburner, achieved at a low power setting, and at less than 275 flight hours in the testing process" I need to go on?

posted on Jun, 17 2003 @ 04:44 AM
I have checked out the site you mentioned $tranger and it is a "Government Watch Dog". This site is credible and there is a level of truth to it.
Good work $.
Though if you look at the date, it says
"Revised August 2000 and "The views expressed in this paper are those of the author."
So be very aware what you believe.

Personally I think that when the USAF 1st began planned aircraft replacements for the F-15's and F-16's, they initially thought of the F-22 as the present JSF.

Thinking allot on this topic and after allot of research on this topic, the USAF will order and keep ordering the JSF as the replacement of the F-15's, F-16's, and F-18's and change their ambitions of the F-22 to the FB-22 (Bomber) to replace the old F-111 that never had a predecessor.

[Edited on 17-6-2003 by barba007]

[Edited on 17-6-2003 by barba007]

posted on Jun, 17 2003 @ 05:27 AM
The FB-22 will be the Aircraft that will come from the F-22 like I have said on previous posts. Here's a snip.

FB-22 Fighter Bomber

The FB-22 is a concept on the shelf for future consideration. It will actually cost some money to develop the FB-22 and right now it's a concept. It's a concept that helps stretch minds. Air Force Secretary James G. Roche is the father of this concept and he has a model of this concept on his desk. It looks very much like an F-22. It takes advantage of all of the development work that has been done on the F/A-22. It is two seats. It is a bit larger. It retains all of its super cruise characteristics. It is not quite as high G as the F/A-22 but it is still a maneuverable airplane. And where the F/A-22 will carry eight small diameter bombs internally, the FB-22 would carry 30 small diameter bombs internally with a range approximately two and a half times that of the F/A-22.

In early 2002 Lockheed Martin began briefing the Air Force on a modified bomber version of the F-22 Raptor fighter, featuring a delta wing, longer body and greater range and payload. This company-funded study of the FB-22, conducted during 2002, was an internally generated, internally funded proprietary study into the feasibility of making a derivative of the F-22. The FB-22 medium bomber is based on existing and planned capabilities of the Lockheed Martin F-22 fighter, a heritage that would limit development costs should the idea go into production. The medium bomber version of the F-22 would provide a relatively low cost and low risk approach for development of a high speed strike aircraft to carry a sufficient load to attack mobile targets.

In a series or articles by Bill Sweetman for "Jane's Defense Weekly" and "Popular Science," the FB-22 s described as a tailless delta variant of the F-22. Yaw control would be provided by split flaps, or "decelerons" on the wings, while roll would be controlled by movable wingtips.

In a bomber version, the fuselage would be longer and the wings far larger to give the bomber greater range more than 1,600 miles, compared with the F-22's 600-plus and bomb-carrying capacity. The FB-22 would replace the Air Force's F-15E and take over some missions for long-range bombers such as the B-2 and B-1. The initial design envisioned a plane that could carry 24 Small Diameter Bombs, which weigh only 250 pounds. Using Global Positioning System guidance, the small bomb would be as lethal as a 2,000-pound bomb. A regular F/A-22 would carry eight Small Diameter Bombs. An FB-22 would carry 30.

The biggest difference between the F-22 and the FB-22 is the wing, which would be very close to a delta wing. It is not exactly a delta, but a much bigger wing, which would increase the amount of space that could carry bombs. The longer, thicker delta wing would enable the FB-22 to carry up to 80 percent more fuel than the F-22, giving it a correspondingly greater range.

To produce an FB-22, the basic F-22 would need airframe modifications for a larger weapons payload and greater fuel capacity, bringing the maximum takeoff weight to over 42 tons. The FB-22's fuselage would need to be about 10 feet longer than that of the F-22 to make room for a larger weapons bay. The FB-22 might dispense with the F-22's twin horizontal stabilizers and vertical tails. If so, the the plane's overall length wouldn't be much different from the F-22's. Like the B-2, the FB-22 would carry two pilots, since missions could last more than 12 hours.

Rather than using the F-22's Pratt & Whitney F119 engines, the FB-22 is likely to have either the new F135, which was developed from the F119 to power the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, or the rival General Electric F136. In either event, the FB-22 would have greater speed than the B-1B, the fastest US bomber.

Because of the work already done on the F-22, developing the FB-22 might cost about $5 billion to $7 billion a fraction of the price for starting a bomber from scratch. FB-22 flights could begin by 2013. Starting a second final assembly line for the FB-22 at Boeing is under consideration, since Boeing makes the F-22's wings.

posted on Jun, 17 2003 @ 09:18 AM
ahhh, ok thanks for the info.

posted on Jun, 24 2003 @ 11:43 PM
The FB-22 is also called the X-44

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