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originally posted by: intrepid
I don't mean to be an ass but is there anything here that can confirm the OP?
Actually, it is completely my thing, and quite obviously not your forte.
How were you not being apologetic towards those people who still do this today? And you were clearly suggesting that because "we" did it too, the OP shouldn't criticise those who do it now, which is utter BS.
Of course, such things are absolutely heinous by today's standards - and rightly so
Anything that happens today is governed by today's laws, and as such anyone who carries out such acts should be condemned and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
originally posted by: Lysergic
originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: TechniXcality
I'm afraid I cannot see the point of debating something that is alleged to have occurred way back in the dim distant past where nothing can be proven anyway?
It's okay, other people do.
Imagine if nobody did, and everyone continued the lies.
So whats the cut off point of debating things in the past, only recent as in 5 years?
Yes, what was happening was definitely wrong to us, by the standards we have come to accept today - however People didn't know any better at the time, be they Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Sikh - whatever. Singling out one person specifically and ignoring everyone else that was doing the same is the very nature of hypocrisy.
originally posted by: whatsup86
originally posted by: Hecate666
originally posted by: whatsup86
originally posted by: Hecate666
Can have heated discussions with christians here on ATS with nobody getting threatened for their life but when muslims do what they do best [getting offended and threatening with violence] the apologists come out of the woodworks and defend them at all costs by spinning words and meanings.
OP has all the right to come on here and voice his annoyance about a well out of proportion reaction. If you find it unnecessary, don't read it.
It's all dandy telling us that everyone would get annoyed and threaten to kill someone over the internet if we insulted them, but then I think: Nahh, I have been insulted big time and never threatened anyone in that way EVER.
The culture thing goes two ways. OP comes from a culture where he has the freedom to question any medieval beliefs and expect to get a civilised answer.
All of you who love culture so much, how about fighting for our advanced civilisation and culture instead of always pandering to those that hold some very questionable beliefs?
Is it because you agree with them?
I so had enough of this. OP I am on your side 100%. Keep the posts coming, the truth has to be told and not stifled.
Thats all fine and all but cant you do it in the 1001 other threads that have been created about this topic? Truth? Really so this thread is about truth now? And what is that truth exactly? Muslims are pedos? Muslims want to kill you because you dont agree with them?
Or is it you all generalizing Muslims all to willingly with any example of an incident that is brought up? And people that dont jump on your bandwagon of hate, fear and division are apologists?
Ill remind you of 2 facts: It is Muslims that are fighting Isis. And Islam has 100s of dispersions that are spread out over many different cultures.
And I dont see anyone taking that into account when replying here.
Yeah, some muslims are fighting muslims. You are correct. Who are these other ones then that are always angry and offended? Yes, they are muslims too.
It's almost as if there are different kinds of muslims. Just as there are christians and all those other baloney religions that can never agree what to believe.
I don't care about religion, only when it threatens the peace of my life. At the moment I don't see any christians doing this or I would lay into them just the same. I don't discriminate when I insult organised religion, they are all the same.
You say nobody takes into account that there are 'nice' muslims, yet I question if anyone takes into account that there are some really big pain in the ass muslims too. And it is those that we are annoyed about. If all muslims were nice I am sure this thread would never exist.
Just to clarify, the same goes for christians. As soon as they throw homosexuals of their church towers, I'll be the first one to rant against them as well. It's time to acknowledge that islam as believed by the uneducated masses is incompatible with our culture. Only then can we find a way to sort this out. Not if we keep on denying the undeniable.
No i ment to say people are generalizing. And if you think that brings any solution whatsover go ahead.
Islam is incompatible and needs reforming, but generalizing and spreading hate will never accomplish that. Instead it will directly feed extremism by estranging muslims. And id rather be part of the solution than the problem.
And.. again.. you miss the point that comparing the past to now is a strawman argument, because back then society was not as enlightened as it is now and people didn't know any better.
originally posted by: Miracula2
Preceding the Battle of Badr, the first and decisive confrontation with pagan Meccans in the second year of migration from Mecca in 623 CE, Prophet Muhammad foretold the precise spot every pagan Meccan soldier would fall. Those who witnessed the battle saw the prophecy come true with their own eyes
The above isn't a prophecy. Even though it is used to justify Muhammed as a prophet. This kind of event above could be a false prophecy made that was self-fulfilling. If demons were in control of the soldiers being fought by Islamic forces then those demons could use their human hosts to dictate exactly where in the field of battle each melee occured.
Usually prophecies are related to repentance or obedience and the rewards or chastisement. The prophecy above of soldiers falling in battle in a particular place on the field of battle has no relation to obedience to Divine Law.
originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
God, you are still missing the point completely, you are arguing that you can't really blame the prophet