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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
If one seeks out other cultures and finds "radicals" to "debate" with -- one really isn't debating, but rather intentionally looking for explosive situations in order to confirm their own biases and prove themselves right. "
originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: intrepid
a reply to: Hazardous1408
No this has been questioned twice, the funny part is that I bring membership here to ATS from these skype groups, here is a private conversation I had with a friend of mine regarding last night (just after it happened) with time stamps.
Here is screen shot of me getting off the call at 11:33pm in a group called "mass skype debates" expressing that" I got to cool off" (all of this happened on cam, and it wasn't recorded via a recording) I could even have someone come confirm this, (who heard it on call) but I believe I've provided more than enough proof, I have been a member here for years and I am quite offended that- once a new member called me a liar, and now a mod is questioning the veracity of my claims.
And furthermore if any of you would like to participate at some point let me know via private messaging and we can work that out, enough with calling me a liar, I am straight shooter, if I tell you that's how it happened then that's how it happened.
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Muhammad never married a child...
That's a lie propogated by Persian Hadith at a time when they Hated Arabs...
250 years after Muhammad passed away...
Such important information would have been recorded instantly.
Secondly I don't believe you were on Skype with anyone...
I think you lied twice.
...let me get to the part about Muhammad's child bride, even if he didn't take a nine year old child as a bride, it is widely believed throughout Islam that he did, therefor there is a precedent set for this type of behavior, will you also deny this? It is not the Muhammad the man that is a problem, but Muhammad the legend- which leads to a doctrine of extremism and abhorrent acts.
it is widely believed throughout Islam that he did
IN the United States today, thousands of children under 18 have recently taken marital vows — mostly girls married to adult men, often with approval from local judges. How is this possible? The minimum marriage age in most states is 18, but every state allows exceptions under which children under age 18 can wed. The first common exception is for children marrying with “parental consent.” Most states allow children age 16 or 17 to marry if their parents sign the marriage license application.
One of the striking aspects of Tahirih's further research, including a 2011 study on forced marriage in the U.S., is that there is no single profile of the girls and women involved. They came from families of Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and other faiths, from immigrant families from many countries and from non-immigrant communities, too.
Last week, Spain raised its minimum age for marriage from 14 to 16, and also upped the age for consent from 13 to 16. The BBC said last Thursday that, while only 365 marriages involving people under the age of 16 have occurred in Spain since 2000, there were 2,678 such marriages in the ‘90s and 12,867 in the ‘80s. All I could think when I read those numbers was WHAT. THE. F---. Spain is the 31st richestcountry in the world, with an estimated GDP of $33 billion in 2014. I was so surprised to learn that a developed country like Spain had only just begun to take steps to protect its girls from forced marriage before the age of 16.
Reading comprehension isn't really your thing is it?
The point I'm making is that trying to insinuate that someone 500+ years ago was a pedophile by judging them by today's standards is a total strawman argument, because back then what was considered "normal" most certainly isn't now.
But if the OP takes actual historical context into account, condemning only one person from one religion is folly, and the context of his question about child brides is skewed. He can criticize it, but it's actually hypocritical to do so and implies an agenda to provoke.
I'm sure you won't see it that way, because you obvious bias won't allow you to.
Your example is flawed by the way, because by today's standards saying that is not acceptable, and you would be rightly castigated for doing so