Russian Engineer Reveals Evidence for Advanced Ancient Civilisation

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: intrptr

Lapping is as old a tech as people. They understood it better than a lot of people today, obviously.

If they had found a high carbon steel drill bit or band saw blade, even a power cord…

…but all the work was done in stone by stone. People can't imagine how much time they had back then to sit around and rub stones together, it just befuddles us.

Whomever would waste so much time doing something so stupid? The most wealthy thats who. They accrued the best, paid the most and had lots of time to accomplish these tasks. People had life time careers in cutting and lapping stone.

How is it that you think they had all this spare time to "sit around and rub stones together"? The average lifespan in ancient Egypt was only 20-30 years...and the royalty only had a marginal increase in life expectancy, despite being the most wealthy. Pyramid construction started upon the birth of each Pharaoh...because they'd be needing a tomb by the time the structure was finally built.

If the Giza pyramid took just 20 years to build, as is the claim, using only primitive tools, they'd have had to have laid 1500 blocks that weighed as much as two tons each, every single day for that twenty year period. Yet it allegedly only took twenty thousand laborers to put this thing up in two decades?

Sorry, but that was not accomplished by rubbing some stones together. Some kind of tech was involved; be it terrestrial or otherwise. And pay had nothing to do with anything either...those laborers were not paid employees. They were slaves, and they were not given a choice.

One thi g id like to point out we examined the interior of the pyramid and its ruble not stone blocks. They built stone squares and filled spaces in with what ever they could carry and dump in. So your estimation is way off. But that aside a twenty man team would be able to move a block. Roughly 3 an hour just using ramps now like the pyramid each team was one of 10 in a sub group. And each group had 10. So now we have 20000 people moving stone. This was a truly national work project almost all egyptiams were involved in building the pyramid it litterally kept their economy going. If you were not planting or harvesting you went to work on the pyramid.

It actually is not my estimation. It was an exam question when I was in college. It's been a bit since I read about it; I grew up in Saudi and had a Jordanian houseboy who was happy to feed my interest in Egyptology, so I've had a love of this subject for a long time.😊

But the last time I spent a day reading on it, I'm certain they were still saying the same things about the length of time at Giza and the weight of the blocks vs the amount of workers that records indicate were used to build it. I think it was something like sixty men to pull one block, on average.

And yes, it was a national effort...but they still had unskilled, unpaid laborers doing the very hardest work, which basically amounted to slavery. Everyone worked much harder than we can imagine in society today...even the wealthy. I'm not disputing that.

It was the assertion that these people had all the time in the world to sit around and rub stones together until they formed right angles that I questioned. I think they were far more advanced than that. I don't think we give them enough credit in that regard. I kind of like the idea that they could have had more advanced tech than we do even now.

We consider them primitive because of their apparent lack of "modern" things that we feel are an enhancement to our current way of life. But maybe they just didn't need all of those things. Maybe they were beyond that and therefore beyond our comprehension as a civilization.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Just remeber when we found the workers village we got a chance to see what they did. Everyone had speaclized jobs. Even have some of the team names as they competed with each other. I see your point about slavery but it wasn't that way. People would leave their homes to work it was a job. They needed carpenters and blacksmiths, cooks, architects, barge operators, management personel, fisherman, stone masons general laborers and yes I can keep going.

Realize this was a works project ot meant income to egyptian families many of whom probably wouldn't have survived without the income. As far as when people work together amazing things can be done look at hiatory. We have gothic cathedrals roman archetecture. The tomans took working with stone to new levels. They were able to carve true works of art in marble completely by hand. We look at it and marvel but to a stone mason it was his career. He learned from the previous etc and so forth.

The problem people have when they say things like copper tools can't cut stone is malibility. Bit of course that helps when dealing with sand. A new blade I guarantee wasn't food for cutting you need the sand to get embedded into the copper, meaning the more you used it the better it worked up to the point it was to warn to continue. Then you return it to the blacksmith he gives you a new one and reforges the old one. Everyone had a role to play today we look at it and think of the time and well frankly are unwillingness to invest the time needed. Think it took Leonardo 4 years to paint the sistine chappel to is that insane to him it was his lifes work.

I would like to add that the video ppinted out some small objects that were CUT with precision. Some of these objects werr made from mountain crystal. Mountain crystal can only be cut with diamond.

The ancients simply didnt have the capability to cut with diamonds. There is no historical evidence of diamond made cutting tools used by the ancients that I am aware of.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

The ancients simply didnt have the capability to cut with diamonds. There is no historical evidence of diamond made cutting tools used by the ancients that I am aware of.

There is no historical evidence of ET building pyramids either, but I'm sure that wouldn't stop you from believing it.

a reply to: dragonridr

Think it took Leonardo 4 years to paint the sistine chappel to is that insane to him it was his lifes work.

You mean Michelangelo.

All I can say is, this is really cool

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: dragonridr

Think it took Leonardo 4 years to paint the sistine chappel to is that insane to him it was his lifes work.

You mean Michelangelo.

Got my ninja turtles confused lol

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
I would like to add that the video ppinted out some small objects that were CUT with precision. Some of these objects werr made from mountain crystal. Mountain crystal can only be cut with diamond.

The ancients simply didnt have the capability to cut with diamonds. There is no historical evidence of diamond made cutting tools used by the ancients that I am aware of.

Cutting crystal is easier then stone cause it to fracture then polish. Mankind learned how to work crystal before most stone. Obsidian for example has been found to be used by stone age man. You can wear down anything with patients and sanding. Jewlers cut diamond with a steel chisel and hammer and lots of time. Turning a crystal into pouder is easy trick is being very careful where you do it.

With so much labor toiling away in the heat, you'd think there would be thousands of skeletons in a big pit. Ironically, a pit that was dug by the slave laborers for their own demise, once it became apparent that these projects would kill a lot of men..and women?

If you equate the abilities of woodworkers throughout history you see some amazing craftsmanship of the old days. Modern people who have seen nothing but modern techniques are amazed at their abilities. Try to imagine that sandpaper didnt exist until the mid 1800s. Try explaining how wood was smoothed before that to someone who has only known to use sandpaper. My point is we get lost in our own abilities as a species. Everyone needs to remember that the technology we have now is from centuries of improvement on the technology of old.

originally posted by: carewemust
With so much labor toiling away in the heat, you'd think there would be thousands of skeletons in a big pit. Ironically, a pit that was dug by the slave laborers for their own demise, once it became apparent that these projects would kill a lot of men..and women?

In Egypt many did die work accidents heat during the summer and buried near the pyramid. For u skilled laborors there pay was in rations think it was like 10 loaves of bred and 2 fish if I remeber correctly. If these laborers die they would dig a tomb when it filled they seal it and dig another. Others like trade laborors built their own tombs seeomg they stayed more than the required 3 months.

Im on a tablet and not good withh the built in response system so I will do my best to make do.

I keep seeing people argue over the metals the tools were made of, I found an interesting article well written on the subject here..

And here are the tombs of the workers. They aperently were humane enough not ot toss them in a pit.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: tigertatzen

I suggest you rethink your argument; The idea that the Great Pyramid was built by slaves is laughable.

You think the paid skilled laborers who designed the thing and cut those blocks actually got out there and moved them too? I find THAT to be laughable.

They used the unskilled peasant people for that sort of thing. And when they were done using them or they couldn't work anymore, they sent them back to their families. And a lot of those families starved while they were away working for the government. They were slaves.

Corvee labor isn't slavery - they worked during the Flood Season (Akhet) when they were normally unable to work and unable to farm and people were at risk of starvation. They paid tribute to the pharaoh in food and cloth and other goods and in return, those same things went back to the temples where they were redistributed back to everyone. It was more similar to socialism than feudalism.

Everyone worked in the temples for some period each year, whether it was sweeping the floor, making things, cooking, etc. Generally it was short term (a week or so) and they were paid in goods (there's lots of records of this.)

This is part of the "law of Ma'at" that the Egyptians adhered to - that there must be balance. If the pharaoh didn't maintain ma'at (if he mistreated the people in general), they believed the land would be cursed with drought and plagues and so forth.

They did become defacto slaves late in the 3,000 year history of the empire, when other nations conquered them. They were particularly badly treated by the Greeks (who were such terrible rulers that the citizens of Alexandria actually lynched one of the Greek pharaohs) and the Romans, who wanted them to be a dumping ground for the people of the slums.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
I would like to add that the video ppinted out some small objects that were CUT with precision. Some of these objects werr made from mountain crystal. Mountain crystal can only be cut with diamond.

"Mountain crystal" is quartz. You can, in fact, cut quartz with quartz sand. Quartz is only a 7 on the Moh scale of hardness, and there's plenty of things that are 7.5, 8, 9... diamond is the only one that's a 10.

I don't understand how anyone can look at these findings and think some "dumb desert dwelling nomads" and slaves did work on stone like this.

Especially the drill holes and the sarcophagus made from one piece.

Can we move on past the official narrative yet?