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Topic started on 13-1-2005 @ 09:18 AM by The Axeman
I started reading M&D about two or three weeks ago, and I've been taking it slow and trying to grasp each idea as I go along. I might read a paragraph 2 or 3 times to make sure I get the Idea that Pike is trying to get across before I move on. I am now in the Master chapter, and I'm noticing an interesting trend. As Pike is commenting on the State and what happens to a Republic when a small, base, immoral person or group of people take power, it sounds a lot like the status quo in the United States.

When he speaks of bribery with office instead of money, and appointing friends and family to positions of power to improve commercial relations; using unfounded and unrighteous war to crush those who oppose or compete with their interests (I'm paraphrasing), I am startlingly reminded of the current Administration (and some others from the past). As I read along (I'm on p.81 and it gets better with every page turned) I'm noticing a lot of similarities between what he describes as a "doomed" Republic and the good ol' U.S. of A.

I don't think it is any small coincidence when you take into account the kind of people we have in the majority of public offices in this country. We have a Presidential administration that goes about achieving its goals with trickery and lies, false accusations and propaganda. The government has used the promise of more freedom (from terrorism) to take away civil liberties. These are things that Pike warns are characteristic of a dying Republic. We have imposed our will as a Nation on our neighbors, and when that happens, Pike says, is when a Republic has doom written on the wall.

The anti-Masons say that the Masons are out to take over the country. Poppycock, I say. But IMHO, I wish they could have more of an influence, not over government, but I wish more men in this country (especially those who would hold office) tried to live by the standard set by Masons. In my opinion everyone would benefit from some of the very basic principles touched on in the first three chapters alone.

Thoughts? Comments?


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[edit on 18-1-2005 by pantha]


reply posted on 17-1-2005 @ 05:51 PM by davidg


reply posted on 17-1-2005 @ 06:29 PM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by davidg

He was a Confederate general in the civil war on the Confederate side so even though he was a brother we have to recognize he had an axe to grind.


I'm not quite sure what you meant by this. My great-great grandfather was a Confederate officer, and I am a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. What sort of "axe to grind" do you believe that Pike had? Pike says nothing in his book explicitly concerning the War Between The States except on p. 298:

The roar and the shriekings of Civil War are all around us: the land is pandemonium: man is again a Savage. The great armies roll along their hideous waves. and leave behind them smoking and depopulated deserts. The pillager is in every house, plucking even the morsel of bread of bread from the lips of the starving child. Gray hairs are dabbled in blood, and innocent girlhood shrieks in vain to Lust for mercy. Laws, Courts, Constitutions, Christianity, Mercy, Pity, disappear. God seems to have abdicated, and Moloch to reign in His stead; while Press and Pulpit alike exult at universal murder, and urge the extermination of the Conquered, by the sword and the flaming torch; and to plunder and murder entitles the human beasts of prey to the thanks of Christian Senates. ("Morals and Dogma", p. 298).

I do not see this as an axe to grind at all, but the simple record of what actually was occuring. Pike further writes:

Masonry is the great Peace Society of the world...War comes with its bloody hand into our very dwellings. It takes from ten thousand homes those who lived there in peace and comfort, held by the tender ties of family and kindred. It drags them away, to die untended, of fever or exposure, in infectious climes; or to be hacked, torn, and mangled in the fierce fight; to fall on the gory field, to rise no more, or to be borne away in awful agony to noisome and horrid hospitals...There is a skeleton in every house, a vacant chair at every table...The country is demoralized. The national mind is brought down, from the nobler interchange of kind offices with another people, to wrath and revenge, and base pride, and the habit of measuring brute strength, in battle.

Pike himself had served as a Captain in the US Army in the Mexican War, and a Confederate General in the Civil War. Knowing well the horrors of war firsthand, he continuously warns against them in his writings. Instead of being an axe to grind, it seems to me to be wise advice.

You'll notice the nasty comments on the York Rite. Unless I'm mistaken the York Rite was the more popular of the Concordant bodies in his era, and it was only later (partly due to his influence) that the Scottish Rite grew in popularity.


When Pike, Mackey, and other writers of their era speak of "York Rite", they are referring to the Blue Lodge only. At that time, the Chapter, Council, and Commandery were known as the American Rite. Pike himself belonged to all bodies, was a Past Master in his Lodge, had served as Grand High Priest of the Grand Chapter of Royal Arch Masons of Arkansas, and was a founding member of the Grand Encampment of Knights Templar of the United States. Pike's criticism of the York Rite was not the Rite itself, but what he perceived as inaccurate explanations of it. In his "Legenda", he wrote that it is incorrect for some to suggest that he undervalued Blue Masonry because of what he wrote in M&D; in fact, says Pike, if he did anything, it was actually that he overvalued it. It was the commonplace lectures of those degrees that he found unworthy of the symbolism.

His writing style (as you have found I'm sure) is difficult by modern standards.


I suppose this just comes down to personal opinion, and I would certainly agree that Pike's writings require much more thought than modern "pop history" books. But, at least to me, that's the whole point. And Pike is much less difficult than reading Kant or Hegel, both of which are required for freshman college students taking philosophy.

It is flamboyant but at the same time (I found it) tedious. I found his rhetoric to be terrific but with no evidence of research or footnotes or bibliographies I'd hardly consider it anything but his own personal philosophy.


Perhaps, but we should keep in mind what Morals and Dogma actually is. It wasn't meant to be just another Masonic book, with footnotes and a bibliography. The 32 chapters are actually the Lectures for the degrees of the Rite in the Southern Jurisdiction. Likewise, the York Rite Lectures are also lacking in footnotes and bibliographies.


reply posted on 18-1-2005 @ 05:37 PM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by davidg

My feeling, and its just that, is that he was anti-north.


If you've never read them, I'd recommend Pike's "Letters To The Northern States" as well as Dr. Tresner's "Albert Pike: The Man Behind The Monument."

Pike was himself a northerner by birth, and was not anti-north. He also opposed secession, and tried to convince the Arkansas state legislature to remain in the Union. However, after the state seceded and Union forces began to invade Confederate territory, he was called upon to defend his home by the Confederate military leadership, and he did so. After the war was over, he moved to Washington D.C. to practice law.

Indeed, Pike may have had the last laugh: his business card advertized him as "Albert Pike, Attorney at Law: Specializing In Cases and Suits Against The United States Government."

I also have a tendency to distrust books without footnotes and bibliographies, but thats my "axe to grind"


I can certainly sympathize with that. My point was only that Morals and Dogma wasn't meant as a "book" per se, but as the collection of the degree lectures. As Pike mentions in the preface, about half of it is original; the other half is mostly compilations and ideas taken from Eliphas Levi, Plato, and several other poets, theologians, and philosophers. Because they were originally meant to be memorized by the officers and recited to the candidates as lectures, footnotes and bibliographies would have been superfluous. Just imagine that, after the First Degree has been conferred, the Lecturer would then give a list of footnotes to the Candidate!

What do you think that Pike would have thought about the SR as they are done now? Big classes, getting the 32nd after a weekend class? I think he might be apalled.


Pike himself went from the 4 to the 32 in about 5 minutes while sitting in Albert Mackey's study. Mackey simply had him take one cover obligation, and declared him a 32. At that time, this was how it was almost always done, and the actual rituals existed on paper only.

When Pike revised them, he intended that each should be conferred separately, but this never really happened. Even under the Pike administration, practically everyone made it to the 32 fairly quickly.


[edit on 18-1-2005 by Masonic Light]


reply posted on 19-1-2005 @ 06:11 PM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by davidg


I HAVE read
A Bridge to Light by Rex Richard Hutchens, and found it FAR more readable that M&D.


That is a great book, and is now given to new Scottish Rite members in the Southern Jurisdiction, instead of "Morals and Dogma." Brother Hutchens' work is important because, in my opinion, it goes into great detail concerning the actual ritual, which is something that is missing in "Morals and Dogma."

Nevertheless, Dr. Hutchens quotes Pike at length in his book, and mentiones that his intent with "A Bridge To Light" is that it be used as an introduction to Pike's great work, instead of a substitute.
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