Video of Georgia educators about to paddle young child delivers terrible message:

A parent video of two Jasper County educators attempting to hold down a crying 5-year-old to paddle him tugs at the heart. It also raises questions about devoting so much time and effort to paddling when there are more effective and kinder ways to help young children control impulses than whacking them. The video has been viewed nearly a million times. So, many people across the country have watched these wrenching scenes and wondered what on earth goes on in Georgia schools and why we still allow corporal punishment. (Only 19 states permit corporal punishment, almost all in the southern United States.) There is plenty of research on the ineffectiveness of paddling and the liability in dispensing it. (See what the American Psychological Association and what the American Academy of Pediatrics say.) While some Georgians look back on their own childhood “whuppings” with nostalgia, there’s no evidence children raised on corporal punishment are better behaved.

One national review of 6,000 juvenile delinquency cases found that all the kids had been raised by the belt, cord or fist. How can schools justify the admonition “Don’t hit” when administrators are swatting away at kids? The irony is the little boy’s offense was physical aggression, and the school is correcting that behavior with being physical aggression. Yes, the educators in the video assure the crying child he’s only going to be spanked once, but it doesn’t matter because the lesson they are demonstrating is still that hitting is an appropriate response.

That suspension would have put Shana Marie Perez back in jail for truancy, she said Wednesday. Perez said she was arrested two weeks ago on truancy charges, booked into jail and then released. If her son missed any more school, she said she thought she’d go to jail.

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This is one of those wtf is wrong with these people moments..really?? you mean there isn't any other way of dealing with a difficult 5yrs old.news flash if you don't deal with a disruptive behavior almost immediately I can almost guarantee you that kid have no idea why he/she is being punished, whatever happened to sending Jr to go stand in the corner face towards the wall for the rest of the class, paddling him?? seems as if there is no middle ground anymore either you over indulged them or you abuse them..wow!

a reply to: Spider879

From source:

“I didn’t know I couldn’t get in trouble,” Perez said. “They told me either he gets a paddling or he gets suspended.”

So, she let this happen because she thought she would go to jail...

The mother sucks ass for two reasons - first being that she was more concerned for her own welfare over her son's.

Second, her kid spits on other classmates...she should have helped hold him down.

The whole situation is disfunctional, but in this case I'd say the kid had it coming and the mom should have taken a few swats as well.

a reply to: Spider879

And we wonder why some of these kids grow up not understanding consent and why it is wrong to invade another person's body without it.

These old twisted bastards will do this and then grumble about how cereal commercials are ruining kids by making them gay or something.

As a Georgia native , parents nowdays do not take the time to teach their children right from wrong , how to behave in public , how to respect their elders or authority no kind of moral discipline. The kids get to school and act out exactly how they want to. Its ok to them , but not acceptable in society. However , they have no idea of the correct way to act as no one ever taught them any better. If the school system suspends them , they react as if the teacher just handed them a treat. And , with no discipline for their actions at home , they continue to show the same behavior on a consistent basis. Then , the worst part , they are diagnosed as having some form of attention disorder and placed on drugs.
Lets paddle a few parents for neglecting their duties instead of the child.


Edit to add: The AJC. We dont even line our outhouses with that anymore.

a reply to: Spider879

I saw primary classes in China. They were around age 10. Their discipline was impeccable. 40 or so in a class. They all opened their books at the same time, followed the teacher's instructions immediately, and didn't talk unless asked talk.

In the Philippines, all students wear the same uniform, school wide, even universities.they respect their teachers.

He entitled youth of America today are spoiled brats. I believe it got worse after corporal punishment was outlawed mostly in schools and viewed as child abuse for parents to spank their own kids. There might be a correlation there.

I am not advocating outright abuse, there is a fine line. I see no problem with spanking.

To say that getting a few licks by a paddle is going to "warp a fragile little mind" is absurd to me.

Can a paddle be a deterrent to negative behavior? Absolutely. Will it deter all? No, that's when it goes up a step to see the school administrators and possible suspension and/or expelling. I believe the next step would be police.

A good paddling builds character.
I have so much damn character I could be in a movie.

I did not watch the video: I live overseas: The kids are spanked have their ears twisted, and are chased by switches ( small tree branches or hair brushes) when they act out. The schools have no discipline problems that I am aware of and I have been to several. The kids are extremely polite and when you go to a shopping maul or grocery store...... in the last 5 years I might have seen two kids crying because mom or dad would not buy them something..

There has been nothing that has destroyed our our culture and children's well being more than both parents working and no lessons on the responsibility of acting out or growing up without discipline.


Flame away

a reply to: 727Sky

My kids now out of High School and looking to study overseas, they were never spanked by me or their moms, and I know how difficult a 5yrs old can be, but they turned out quite fine a lil rough talking to here and there withholding of privileges, even the walk of shame but I had never to do that, boundaries were drawn and set between me and their mom early on , no negotiations no excuses, I wished you could see the vid maybe you would think differently, and look I agree there is waay too much permissiveness in schools and homes in the U.S right now, but we don't need to swing to the opposite direction.

originally posted by: 727Sky
There has been nothing that has destroyed our our culture and children's well being more than both parents working and no lessons on the responsibility of acting out or growing up without discipline.

It's not physical abuse that creates well mannered people, it's having a regimented day. It's no different than raising a dog or a bird, you don't beat an animal for misbehaving. You use positive attention when they behave and stick to a routine schedule.

a reply to: Spider879

Video of Georgia educators about to paddle young child delivers terrible message:

I reckon the only reason they allow schools to whack kids is because its a way letting the parents know who the real parent is and how much power they exercise over the family.

The parents are in fact the state because they demonstrate by making this law that they have the power to make such laws and the human parents are only the after school care providers.

The kids and the parents are mere assets of the state.

a reply to: Azureblue

The kids and the parents are mere assets of the state.

Which exactly sound like the below.

That suspension would have put Shana Marie Perez back in jail for truancy, she said Wednesday. Perez said she was arrested two weeks ago on truancy charges, booked into jail and then released. If her son missed any more school, she said she thought she’d go to jail.

Attend a public beating of your child or else be punished, next it will be pay for the bullet we used to kill your child or the cost of the poisons pumped into his veins. .sounds melodramatic but I do believe in slippery slope scenarios.

I guess I must be one of the only ones here that is old enough to remember when all schools in the U.S did this....

Yet we had generations of folks who did not act like the youth do today.

Imagine that.

Spitting on someone could get you killed when you are an adult (I can't imagine anything much more repulsive or disrespectful to do to a person that isn't technically physical in nature). Hopefully this child learns his lesson now. It was one swat that obviously didn't leave a mark or it would be posted all over social media by now.

The mom had already been brought up on charges for letting him miss too much school. There is a lack of discipline at home and if she's "talking to him" or "putting him in the naughty corner" it sure isn't working out too well thus far.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Ok lets say you have to absolutely give the kid one quick whack on his behind immediately following the act, then let it be so with a quick explanation as to why, not that long drawn out death sentence like process of calling out the mom or whatever watching that kid looking for protection from his mom who just stood there ,rubbed me the wrong way, if any thing let the parent carry on the punishment, not that I don't think it couldn't be handled any other way.

the board of education, i remember it well.
use to get it at least two or three time a month in elementary school and middle school.
then at least weekly in high school. i was a hellin' back then.

it was more of a choice in our county back then though. we had the choice of detention/ study hall, suspension, or the board, i always chose the board, so much so that the dean in high school quit asking me when i came in the office, he just reached for the board.

i chose the board because, no matter who was swinging it. it was nothing compared to the hell that would rain down on me if my folks had to come pick me up from dentition, or being suspended. and back then they didn't call your folks every time you got licks, you just got them.

i will say this, there was a couple of them that prided themselves on how high they could lift your feet when they swatted that ass.

originally posted by: Spider879

A parent video of two Jasper County educators attempting to hold down a crying 5-year-old to paddle him tugs at the heart. It also raises questions about devoting so much time and effort to paddling when there are more effective and kinder ways to help young children control impulses than whacking them. The video has been viewed nearly a million times. So, many people across the country have watched these wrenching scenes and wondered what on earth goes on in Georgia schools and why we still allow corporal punishment. (Only 19 states permit corporal punishment, almost all in the southern United States.) There is plenty of research on the ineffectiveness of paddling and the liability in dispensing it. (See what the American Psychological Association and what the American Academy of Pediatrics say.) While some Georgians look back on their own childhood “whuppings” with nostalgia, there’s no evidence children raised on corporal punishment are better behaved.

One national review of 6,000 juvenile delinquency cases found that all the kids had been raised by the belt, cord or fist. How can schools justify the admonition “Don’t hit” when administrators are swatting away at kids? The irony is the little boy’s offense was physical aggression, and the school is correcting that behavior with being physical aggression. Yes, the educators in the video assure the crying child he’s only going to be spanked once, but it doesn’t matter because the lesson they are demonstrating is still that hitting is an appropriate response.

That suspension would have put Shana Marie Perez back in jail for truancy, she said Wednesday. Perez said she was arrested two weeks ago on truancy charges, booked into jail and then released. If her son missed any more school, she said she thought she’d go to jail.

getschooled.blog.myajc.com...
If you want klik link to see hard to watch vid.
This is one of those wtf is wrong with these people moments..really?? you mean there isn't any other way of dealing with a difficult 5yrs old.news flash if you don't deal with a disruptive behavior almost immediately I can almost guarantee you that kid have no idea why he/she is being punished, whatever happened to sending Jr to go stand in the corner face towards the wall for the rest of the class, paddling him?? seems as if there is no middle ground anymore either you over indulged them or you abuse them..wow!

Hard labor for 30 minutes would be better than spanking a 5 year old in our sociey. Pulling up weeds and picking up trash would be the best form, without them being allowed to piddle around. At least 2 adults would have to be involved in the monitoring of their 30 minutes of hard labor with GoPros strapped to them for legal reasons. A real rebellious 5 year old would just sit down and say "no" if enforced. The kid would have to be picked up and stood on their feet and told to move it. If it gets to that point the kid is usually going to resist and throw a bigger fit. 2 adults are necessary to make sure the child doesn't hurt themselves getting physically crazed, spitting, kicking and hitting the adults. The way this kid is crying in the video is the same way far too many kids act even in just a time out. Hard labor gives them time in, not time out. They need to think about how they messed up actually doing something, like picking up trash, not staring at a wall shuffling feet and playing with their fingers should they cease crying in the corner. If the kid rebels during hard labor, talks back, refuses to work, and he is made to, the kid's wailing will sound really traumatic due to their developing "how dare they treat prince or princess so and so with real work" syndrome. It will be very loud. The 2 adults just need to stand their ground and be firm and loud if necessary so they can be heard, and repeat to them that they need to get back to work. The entire 30 minutes might consist of standing the kid up, and them sitting right back down, wailing and acting out like a crazed person. Or they may decide to work. In either case, it would only take just one or two sessions to modify their behavior and get them to behave in school. Pulling weeds and picking up trash will have to consist of them really moving though, with the adults lecturing them on their despicable conduct. If this isn't done, some kids may look forward to picking up trash to get out of written sit down work for 30 minutes. Staying after school at this age makes too long of a day and the behavior should be punnished quickly.

The problem with this would be other adults not agreeing with the hard labor tactic and the kid knowing they were divided. Every adult totally needs to be on the same page, otherwise kids will "play" them just like kids "play" their parents when they are divided over issues concerning them.

If this isn't nailed early, major ptoblems are in store for the entire community. Kids go through the terrible two's tantrum stage and something happens to a lot of the alpha personalities that affects them negatively after the stage is over. Terrible 2's tantrums, in my opinion, are caused by modern day society & being overly stimulated by it in many forms. If a kid is pulling this crap at 5, it's got to be nailed. If all the adults support each other it will be a win win. Putting the kid through special classes and getting individualized attention for bad behavior tends to reinforces negative behavior because of the attention they get, and it drags out over the years. They don't ever really adjust to society because they've learned it's all about them. Once adulthood comes it's a different story. But they learned bad behavior warrants them special attention. Many adults in the prison system repeat crimes just to go back. It's like family in a way to some. Not listening to parents or authority has got to be nailed early on. Todays kids are acting totally different. It's not just normal kid running around being kids. There is really something serious going on. Parents are in denial a lot of times about it; "not my kid." But the parent's generation was almost as bad as the kids with freaking out their own parents at times when even those parents behaved badly too, but not as. Whether anyone will admit this or not, they know the deal. It's getting more messed up with each generation. The shrinks are aware of this, that's why they started pushing meds on kids in the early 90's.

It takes time to dicipline a kid. That's why many parents still prefer spanking. It worked really well generations ago until kids realized how special they were to strangers. Which kids are special, but this is of a different kind. There's a commercial market directed specifically at kids that's unprecedented. Toys, clothes & even food. You may not get this because your life from birth was neck deep in mass commercialism so it's all you know, but I assure you, this kind of mass specialization directed at the general population's children in difficult economic times in a super faced paced societ has changed our kids attitudes tremendously. There are more factors that contribute but I'm not getting into them now. If society at large was slower paced & loving, hard labor wouldn't have to be used.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Ok lets say you have to absolutely give the kid one quick whack on his behind immediately following the act, then let it be so with a quick explanation as to why, not that long drawn out death sentence like process of calling out the mom or whatever watching that kid looking for protection from his mom who just stood there ,rubbed me the wrong way, if any thing let the parent carry on the punishment, not that I don't think it couldn't be handled any other way.

I could go along with that idea as well. Certain things work with different children. Some children do well with a "talking to" while others only pay attention when they "feel it". I am almost willing to bet that the mother would have had less of a problem here if she had not already been hauled to jail by the school (by proxy). And I would be interested to know if this is the first time her son has had to be punished at school or not and if not, why she didn't have an issue before now.

I would have rather my mom and dad had spanked me more often than to talk to me. The pain inside that came with the talk of disappointment far outweighed the physical pain from a "whipping/spanking". My brother on the other hand, could not care less about the talk and only fell into line when he was threatened with a spanking.

I'd like to be clear as well about spanking and abuse. I am well aware that there are some who consider both the same thing. IMO a spanking/swat is not abuse or beating. No child should ever be abused or beaten, I however do not have a problem with a spank when the situation may call for it.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
the board of education, i remember it well.
use to get it at least two or three time a month in elementary school and middle school.
then at least weekly in high school. i was a hellin' back then.

it was more of a choice in our county back then though. we had the choice of detention/ study hall, suspension, or the board, i always chose the board, so much so that the dean in high school quit asking me when i came in the office, he just reached for the board.

i chose the board because, no matter who was swinging it. it was nothing compared to the hell that would rain down on me if my folks had to come pick me up from dentition, or being suspended. and back then they didn't call your folks every time you got licks, you just got them.

i will say this, there was a couple of them that prided themselves on how high they could lift your feet when they swatted that ass.

I knew there would be another "old schooler" here somewhere.

It worked that way for us too and there would be hell to pay if either parent had to be embarrassed and leave work to come to school because you forgot how to act.

We had a ginormous paddle in the office with holes drilled into it for maximum effect. I tasted it once. My brother on the other hand...

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith

Very good points and right up my ally ,plus a very public apology in front of the entire class that's the walk of shame I mentioned earlier.

I'm open to be wrong about this one, but some things I find confusing:

* Violent crime is at an all time low in the Western world
* Mass shootings have been at a solid 20ish a year for decades
* I remember my uncles talking to me about smashing people with crow bars and getting in street fights
* Countries which are being lauded as having quiet children that open books simultaneously ... several of them also have horrible records of treatment of women, sex offenses, and gang behavior
* Many years ago a psychologist claimed that computer games and poor parenting practices were going to give rise to a generation of 'super predators' ... that person admitted they were wrong. Americans made policy on this hypothesis and it was nonsense

None of this information I have seems to align to some golden era where everything was great and smacking was responsible for the outcome. Potentially the opposite even, though I haven't done enough research.

Thanks.

a reply to: Spider879

The strong must never strike the weak.

The strong may strike the strong, the weak may strike the weak, and the weak may attempt to strike the strong. But for a person in a position of power to strike a person who has none of their own is contemptible.

Right is right, wrong is wrong and there are consequences. That is how I was brought up, no gray area. And to some degree it is still followed in private schools via "The Coach" method. If a child misbehaves in class the teacher speaks to The Coach who during PE or practice singles the student out for extra attention such as extra laps around the field, push-ups, cleaning up all the gear while letting the whole class know exactly why that was wrong behavior.

ETA: For younger children a strong lecture on behavior and a chore in front of the whole class is in order. Also, I've never heard of paddling before Junior High?

Should've been handled better, a swift pop with the hand at the most, but I still think peer pressure with a classroom of kids hearing the lecture on wrong behavior and then a chore would've been more effective for the whole class to see and to learn from at that age.

STM