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Why Bernie Sanders is playing with Fire

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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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Overall Bernie is better than Hillary from a progressive viewpoint.
Not a slam dunk, but overall he's better than Hillary

The problem is that Bernie’s chances of winning the main election are slim and if the democrats get so self-righteous and nominate him he will very likely allow for the election of a GOP president and allow for a bigger majority in the house and senate.

Bernie will destroy any progress that has been made

Bernie is just too radical for the country
The Democrats lost both houses of congress just over Obamacare

So Bernie, if elected would do even worse that Obama in terms of grid lock.

Bernie won’t be allowed to pass gas as president let alone any policies

Hillary however imperfect she is will have a chance to make small gains in progressive politics whereas Bernie’s militancy will only polarize things so much as to probably lose more than he could ever gain.

These are just political facts folks. I know Bernie’s people don’t want to hear this but it’s got to be said before the Democrats lose an election they can win with Hillary AND NOT WITH BERNIE

Bernie could only win possibly if the country was in an economic distress like in 2008.

That’s the reason Obama won




posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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Thanks for sharing your facts.

I'm not sure you understand the difference between a fact and an opinion but this is a progressive viewpoint after all, so it's not important.

Go Hillary



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

Overall Bernie is better than Hillary from a progressive viewpoint.
Not a slam dunk, but overall he's better than Hillary

The problem is that Bernie’s chances of winning the main election are slim and if the democrats get so self-righteous and nominate him he will very likely allow for the election of a GOP president and allow for a bigger majority in the house and senate.

Bernie will destroy any progress that has been made

Bernie is just too radical for the country
The Democrats lost both houses of congress just over Obamacare

So Bernie, if elected would do even worse that Obama in terms of grid lock.

Bernie won’t be allowed to pass gas as president let alone any policies

Hillary however imperfect she is will have a chance to make small gains in progressive politics whereas Bernie’s militancy will only polarize things so much as to probably lose more than he could ever gain.

These are just political facts folks. I know Bernie’s people don’t want to hear this but it’s got to be said before the Democrats lose an election they can win with Hillary AND NOT WITH BERNIE

Bernie could only win possibly if the country was in an economic distress like in 2008.

That’s the reason Obama won
What if we don't want Bernies policies and just want his integrity for a change?



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:04 PM
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Also consider this.

The democrats with either Cruz or Trump have a great chance of not only winning the presidency but also at least gaining back the senate and maybe even the congress

NOT WITH BERNIE.

Indeed even IF Bernie got the nomination the country would scarred to give a radical like Bernie two houses of congress…they’d NEVER do that

Bernie is really kind of messing things up]

He can’t help it, his ego has gotten massaged so much with all the hoopla his ardent supporters heap on him and by naïve democrats that he can’t resist what started as a protest run

The ego is a hard thing to resist.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Willtell

Overall Bernie is better than Hillary from a progressive viewpoint.
Not a slam dunk, but overall he's better than Hillary

The problem is that Bernie’s chances of winning the main election are slim and if the democrats get so self-righteous and nominate him he will very likely allow for the election of a GOP president and allow for a bigger majority in the house and senate.

Bernie will destroy any progress that has been made

Bernie is just too radical for the country
The Democrats lost both houses of congress just over Obamacare

So Bernie, if elected would do even worse that Obama in terms of grid lock.

Bernie won’t be allowed to pass gas as president let alone any policies

Hillary however imperfect she is will have a chance to make small gains in progressive politics whereas Bernie’s militancy will only polarize things so much as to probably lose more than he could ever gain.

These are just political facts folks. I know Bernie’s people don’t want to hear this but it’s got to be said before the Democrats lose an election they can win with Hillary AND NOT WITH BERNIE

Bernie could only win possibly if the country was in an economic distress like in 2008.

That’s the reason Obama won
What if we don't want Bernies policies and just want his integrity for a change?


Integrity in politics can give you a coke and a smile but not much else



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

How can you say that when so many polls favor Bernie vs Trump over Clinton vs Trump?

And as far as gridlock? A whole lot of seats are up for election, you know.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Also consider this.

The democrats with either Cruz or Trump have a great chance of not only winning the presidency but also at least gaining back the senate and maybe even the congress

NOT WITH BERNIE.

Indeed even IF Bernie got the nomination the country would scarred to give a radical like Bernie two houses of congress…they’d NEVER do that

Bernie is really kind of messing things up]

He can’t help it, his ego has gotten massaged so much with all the hoopla his ardent supporters heap on him and by naïve democrats that he can’t resist what started as a protest run

The ego is a hard thing to resist.


Complains about a stroked ego....... urges you to vote Hillary. Calls others naive



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

The point is the people will be afraid to give a radical like Bernie so much power.

Obama probably got elected in 2008 because of the financial crash was so severe.

Maybe if things were like that the people could vote in a radical



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

I'm voting for the candidate that will tax me the least and infringe on my freedoms the least.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: TSefu

Far from naïve when you look at political reality not pie in the sky wishful thinking



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Abysha

The point is the people will be afraid to give a radical like Bernie so much power.

Obama probably got elected in 2008 because of the financial crash was so severe.

Maybe if things were like that the people could vote in a radical




Again... if people were afraid of that, why are the polls reflecting the exact opposite of that?



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Really? Cause all the polls I've heard has Bernie kicking the crap out of Cruz and beating Trump with ease. What are you basing this on?

Whether it's Bernie or Clinton, they both beat all the GOP candidates in the general election. If anyone is playing with fire its Trump. He can't win and he's destroying the GOP, which I'm totally ok with and for that I thank him. But he's made a lot of enemies, both foreign and domestic, and that's a fire he'll never put out.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Really? His ego has been massaged? I mean come on, if anyone's ego has been massaged it's Trump. But lets be honest here, when you're running for pres your ego will be massaged while your character, ethics, intelligence, qualifications, history, associations, and morality all get bruised.

Are you saying if Bernie gets the nomination he will lose to either GOP candidate?

What's make you think the Republicans will continue their control if he's elected? You know he has fired up the young vote right? He's destroyed all the candidates combined in the youth vote. No one comes close to him. And that's just one small part of the demographic that supports him. Either way, I predict if he's elected the Dems will take control from the Repubs.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Willtell

Overall Bernie is better than Hillary from a progressive viewpoint.
Not a slam dunk, but overall he's better than Hillary

The problem is that Bernie’s chances of winning the main election are slim and if the democrats get so self-righteous and nominate him he will very likely allow for the election of a GOP president and allow for a bigger majority in the house and senate.

Bernie will destroy any progress that has been made

Bernie is just too radical for the country
The Democrats lost both houses of congress just over Obamacare

So Bernie, if elected would do even worse that Obama in terms of grid lock.

Bernie won’t be allowed to pass gas as president let alone any policies

Hillary however imperfect she is will have a chance to make small gains in progressive politics whereas Bernie’s militancy will only polarize things so much as to probably lose more than he could ever gain.

These are just political facts folks. I know Bernie’s people don’t want to hear this but it’s got to be said before the Democrats lose an election they can win with Hillary AND NOT WITH BERNIE

Bernie could only win possibly if the country was in an economic distress like in 2008.

That’s the reason Obama won
What if we don't want Bernies policies and just want his integrity for a change?


Integrity in politics can give you a coke and a smile but not much else


That is the stupidest thing I've heard all day. So you're saying the hell with integrity lets continue to elect totally corrupted people?

Good call...



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:51 PM
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Yeah, folks sure do seem to love Bernie.......till they get out of college, in to the real world and have to start paying for all that "free" stuff.

www.chicagotribune.com...


llennials are the only age group in America in which a majority views socialism favorably. A national Reason-Rupe survey found that 53 percent of Americans under 30 have a favorable view of socialism compared with less than a third of those over 30. Moreover, Gallup has found that an astounding 69 percent of millennials say they'd be willing to vote for a "socialist" candidate for president — among their parents' generation, only a third would do so. Indeed, national polls and exit polls reveal about 70 to 80 percent of young Democrats are casting their ballots for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who calls himself a "democratic socialist."




The expanded social welfare state Sanders thinks the United States should adopt requires everyday people to pay considerably more in taxes. Yet millennials become averse to social welfare spending if they foot the bill. As they reach the threshold of earning $40,000 to $60,000 a year, the majority of millennials come to oppose income redistribution, including raising taxes to increase financial assistance to the poor.
Similarly, a Reason-Rupe poll found that while millennials still on their parents' health insurance policies supported the idea of paying higher premiums to help cover the uninsured (57 percent), support flipped among millennials paying for their own health insurance with 59 percent opposed to higher premiums.
When tax rates are not explicit, millennials say they'd prefer larger government offering more services (54 percent) to smaller government offering fewer services (43 percent). However when larger government offering more services is described as requiring high taxes, support flips and 57 percent of millennials opt for smaller government with fewer services and low taxes, while 41 percent prefer large government.


So, it would seem they love all that progress.....well, till they have to pay for it anyway.
edit on 15-4-2016 by DAVID64 because: forgot to add the link



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

So they'd rather give a radical like Cruz or Trump a chance? Hilary is a radical in her own, only shes a radical for the elites who fatten her bank account and give her power.

Or we can vote for Bernie whose a radical for the people.

Gee, I dunno who I should vote? You know, if you really hate Bernie then you could always vote for Gary Johnson. I mean, what kind of message you trying to portray here because all I see is your opinion which is loaded with ignorance and lies.

Don't like any other the repubs or dems? Vote Johnson




posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

Well first off most people under 30 or Millenials are no longer in college. A lot of us and in he workforce facing the stark reality that making money is no longer as easy as it was in the 90's and early 2000's.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

I can't think of any situation where Hilary is the best choice. I would rather see the office of President sit vacant.

The country might actually be better off with no president.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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The social media 'revolution' from the millinials will get Sanders as far as the answer to a trivia question in a few years.

"Which self proclaimed 'socialist' had a vocal following in the 2016 election cycle only to crash and bern by that summer?"

The OP is exactly correct: other than a bored and vocal 'protest' element currently on the edges of the nation, the majority of actual DNC voters know a Mike Stivic style leftist like Sanders has went about as far as he is going to go. The kids, meanwhile, are going to stay home, already spent.

This will be reflected very soon.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Those are polls without all the propaganda machine of the right-wing, GOP running millions of negative ads against Bernie.

They’ll rip him apart


Those polls as of now don’t mean much


The polls show people like democrats more than republicans but why do they have both houses of congress, and most of the governors.



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