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The Ninth Amendment states “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” The Constitution exists to restrain the federal government, not the people. While the Constitution does not directly mention medicine, it protects the right to medicate oneself as one sees fit. (Attention Christian conservatives: It is this same Ninth Amendment that protects your right to home school your children.)
The Tenth Amendment states “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution spells out 18 things the federal government can do. The Tenth Amendment forbids it from engaging in any other activity.
Mr. Corry is absolutely correct when the states that “The Founding Fathers' dream of a limited federal government of enumerated powers has become a twisted nightmare where the Constitution does not mean what it says.” There is simply no constitutional basis for the War on Drugs, much less for federal agents to conduct Gestapo-style raids on non-violent people whose only offense lies in medicating themselves in the only way they have found that works.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
. Were in the constitution does it say you have the right to do drugs?
Originally posted by Amuk
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So again WHERE does it says drugs are illegal?
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Where in the constitution does it say I cant have sex with a 12 year old girl? So should that be legal is it a unconstitutional law.
Originally posted by Yxboom
Originally posted by Amuk
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So again WHERE does it says drugs are illegal?
Obviously, the courts have upheld constitutional interpretations that allow the government to make drugs illegal on the basis that they can be harmful.
In your opinion, who should have the legal authority to interpret the constitution for legal enforcement?
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They are given minimal and warped training in the area of the constitution and they haven't bothered to figure out what should be glaring.
I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, so if I noticed a problem between the statutes and the constitution, at least half of the cops should as well.
Those do not sound like legal charges. A legal charge is either:
1. A Federal statute or
2. A State statute or
3. An ordinance
Are you asking if the cops have anything better to do, other than enforcing the laws??? Cops are paid to enforce laws. Consequently, I don't understand your question
Originally posted by cavscout
. To my understanding, the last time the supreme court heard a real second amendment argument was the Miller case in the '30s, and it said so long as any weapon is of military value, it is the right of any citizen to keep and bear that weapon. They refuse to hear gun casses because they have ruled on it 70 years ago; they upheld the 2nd.
So there you have it, the constitution said the 20,000 plus gun laws in our country are Illegal, and the Supreme Court backed that up.
[edit on 15-1-2005 by cavscout]
Originally posted by cavscout
Any idiot can see that having sex with small children infringes on their pursuit of happiness.
[edit on 15-1-2005 by cavscout]
No, it didn't make it right, but the courts are obviously self-correcting, as is evidenced by the courts eventual ruling that slavery is illegal.
Posted by Amuk
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The courts also upheld slavery for a long time did that make it right?
Yes, you would think so, wouldn't you? But there are too many alcoholics within the courts, within the legislature and within the public at-large and, subsequently, it is highly unlikely that alcohol will be banned.
Posted by Amuk
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If the reason that drugs are illegal is because they are harmful, doesnt that mean the courts have a right to tell us if we can smoke or drink booze?
Your analogy is a poor one because you are mixing apples and oranges. Harmful drugs cannot be compared with hamburgers.
Posted by Amuk
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Should they also tell us how many Hamburgers we should have a week? Too many are harmful and they know whats best for us right?
Originally posted by Yxboom
Your analogy is a poor one because you are mixing apples and oranges. Harmful drugs cannot be compared with hamburgers.
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
any weapon is of military value? So you think anybody should be able to own a stinger missile? How about some weaponized small pox or heck why not a nuke? They all have military value.
The founding fathers nor the people of the Supreme court in the 30s could not dream of such weapons when they made their laws.
Thats kind of thinking is insane with modern weapons
That is a misstatement or a misnomer -- or both. Television makes it look like the majority of cops are crooked, but that is simply not true. If a cop gets arrested, it makes the front page of the newspaper, but if a citizen gets arrested, there is no mention of it in the news. Why??? Because the story of a crooked cop sells newspapers and is newsworthy. Why??? Because it is a rare event.
Posted by dubiousone
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We all know the bad apples exist and that those in LE don't do enough to remove them but, instead, protect them just because they are within the LE family. LE has itself to blame.
Actually, it was not omitted. Those are elementary laws that are taught at the basic academy. That is like a kindergarden student learning the alphabet. While all of those elementary concepts are presented during any basic police academy, it may be later when the concepts begin to "sink in," as the officer hits the streets to see how these constitutional concepts are upheld in the real world. A real-world application is entirely different then an academic setting. It is one thing to learn about these elementary concepts while inside a classroom, but it is entirely different to apply these concepts in various real-world settings.
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Yx, your list of officer qualifications omitted the most important – an understanding of the relative roles of government, police officers, and citizens, and their relative rights, duties, obligations, and protections under the US and state constitutions.
That is a very good point. Graduating from a basic police academy is peanuts. The real-world test comes when the officer hits the streets. Hopefully, his department will have a "field training program" where the recruit-officer is paired up with seasoned veterans who teach him the proper application of these elementary legalities.
Posted by dubiousone
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If officers don’t know and cannot demonstrate an understanding of these things, then how are they to know what limits apply to their conduct in the field?
Naturally, many of these constitutional elements are not going to be taught k-12. It's simply not a part of that curriculum and many k-12 students would not be able to stay awake for that type of a lecture. High school teachers don't know the difference between reasonable suspicion and probable cause and, subsequently, how are they going to teach these finer points to students? Also, you won't find reasonable suspicion in the constitution, either. It is a term that was developed by the courts through court rulings.
Posted by dubiousone
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If these subjects were part of the basic education US citizens receive from early childhood into adulthood we would be living in a much better society.
Learning is lifelong. Learning and cognitive development should continue throughout ones life, unless it is stunted by drug usage, alcohol abuse, physiological impedements or mental illness.
Posted by dubiousone
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Instead, we live in a society of the ignorant. And, frankly, it seems to be designed that way.
Originally posted by cavscout
Yes, any weapon of military value. Any weapon that any foreign or domestic government can use against us must be available to us.
The Supreme Court in the 30s was well aware. Bio warfare had already been used, as was chemical warfare.
Originally posted by Amuk
Originally posted by Yxboom
Your analogy is a poor one because you are mixing apples and oranges. Harmful drugs cannot be compared with hamburgers.
Why not? I am willing to bet more people have died from Cheese Burgers than Pot. You dont NEED a Cheese Burger. Where in the Constitution does it give you the RIGHT to one?
Originally posted by Yxboom
Originally posted by Amuk
Originally posted by Yxboom
Your analogy is a poor one because you are mixing apples and oranges. Harmful drugs cannot be compared with hamburgers.
Why not? I am willing to bet more people have died from Cheese Burgers than Pot. You dont NEED a Cheese Burger. Where in the Constitution does it give you the RIGHT to one?
Now you want to compare eating a cheeseburger with smoking a joint – and you insinuated that smoking pot is, by far, safer than eating a cheeseburger??? Hummm…..
what, because they arent getting them now? Come on! You’re joking right? You’re a comedian and you are trying your skills out on ATS. Am I right?
If a drug is legally accessible, it is much easier to become addicted to it (name any drug that you want). Some people are easily addicted to drugs, but since drugs are illegal, most of them never get the opportunity to become addicted to them. We do not want to give them the legal opportunity to become addicts and, thus, to become a drain on society.