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Common heartburn drugs linked with kidney disease

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posted on Apr, 17 2016 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: SeaWorthy



They should be all out within three days but they start coming after the second dose . The pain starts to subside after the first dose.




posted on Apr, 17 2016 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: SeaWorthy
The Lazarus study is really good however notice this: first, the sample is, once again, of people with obesity and hypertensive problems (most likely on Nsaids). Second, this study is also non conclusive as yet, as they need to eliminate PPis to confirm they are the actual cause of kidney disease (instead of any other comorbidity they may have - see the conclusion).

I agree with the 'overscribing PPIs' article, as many people don't need to be on them and they rely on the meds instead of trying to change lifestyle habits that are the cause of their reflux. But not everyone wants to change, I have seen many patients who are told they should loose weight, stop drinking, stop smoking and yet they rather get a drug as it is easier (in the UK). But it is true that they are prescribed a lot in hospitals, I have also seen that, however they should never be taken for a long period of time, unless you have a specific condition.

The solution is complex I think, but I hope that, by reading the articles you have posted, people will realize that all meds come with side effects and that lots of their ailments could be healed or prevented in a natural way with simple changes.



posted on Apr, 17 2016 @ 06:11 AM
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It's the 'ol damned if you do and damned if ya don't"

a reply to: Bigburgh



posted on Apr, 17 2016 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: SeaWorthy

"Just a conspiracy thought, but I never had anyone around me have acid reflux, my whole life never heard it mentioned, UNTIL the "purple pill" commercial started"

While I would generally agree with this statement, my father, who died horribly from esophageal cancer in Dec. 2012, was drinking Mylanta back in the 1980's like it was MILK.....every morning....a swig before he went to the hospital (he was an ER doc and toxicologist). He also grew up in central and south America and lived most of his adult life in El Paso, TX where the food is muy sabroso (and very spicy!)

Now, at age 50...I suffer from TERRIBLE GERD. I fought taking Omeprazole for YEARS (just suffered terrible symptoms), until I witnessed my father die from this terrible cancer.....however, instead of taking it twice a day....I take it about three times a week. After having bowel surgery one year and waking up with a NG tube....had a nurse tell me she had never in her long nursing career seen a person produce so much acid in one day......

but, I will NEVER think taking medications made by man is a GOOD thing....sometimes just a DAMMIT REALLY? kind of thing....to ME anyways.....



posted on Apr, 17 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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I have to wonder is there any kind of genetic thing for this illness? I do remember 50 years ago my Step father taking Bromo Seltzer i think it was but not until the "purple pill" started on commercials my whole family suddenly had acid reflux to the point of needing medication and a couple were told they would need to take it for life.



posted on Apr, 17 2016 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: crazyeddie68
Long story short they gave me a script for pantoprazole and sulcrafate(?)they said I had acid reflux?I don't have serious heart burn problems.All the ER doc did was look at my throat for a second.


Actually, the sucralfate isn't all bad for you, and you might consider keeping on using it.

Basically, it coats your stomach and lower esophagus, gives you some protection against thin spots in your mucus coat.

You could, however, do about the same without the aluminum hydroxide that's in sucralfate if you buy the UK version of Gaviscon. SevenThunders is right about that, the US version uses aluminum hydroxide, the UK version doesn't. Not that I'm totally convinced that aluminum hydroxide is the end of the world.



posted on Apr, 17 2016 @ 11:25 PM
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Amazing that it landed perfectly on 50%..
Why don't studies ever have findings that say 47% or whatever?

a reply to: SeaWorthy



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 04:45 AM
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a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Baking soda works wonders. If you can't do baking soda, apple cider vinegar gets rid of heartburn almost instantly as well.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 04:56 AM
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Baking soda works wonders.


Very bad, your stomach will eventually compensate and produce more acidity.

As said before, the best way is to go low carbs.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 08:40 AM
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Long time lurker here, since 2008 or so. Had to comment on this because I work in pharmacy and every place I've ever worked at we always tell patients that proton pump inhibitors (omeprazole, esomeprazole, lansoprazole, etc) are meant for short term use only. They were made for severe heartburn and a single course of treatment, not to be taken for years as it was understood that these drugs may increase risk for osteoporosis. With the recent study concluding that it may increase the likelihood of kidney disease, I would only use these drugs if absolutely needed. My recommendation is to replace these drugs with H2 antagonists (ranitidine, famotodine) if at all possible.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: Drocms
Long time lurker here, since 2008 or so. Had to comment on this because I work in pharmacy and every place I've ever worked at we always tell patients that proton pump inhibitors (omeprazole, esomeprazole, lansoprazole, etc) are meant for short term use only. They were made for severe heartburn and a single course of treatment, not to be taken for years as it was understood that these drugs may increase risk for osteoporosis. With the recent study concluding that it may increase the likelihood of kidney disease, I would only use these drugs if absolutely needed. My recommendation is to replace these drugs with H2 antagonists (ranitidine, famotodine) if at all possible.


Thankyou very helpful post. I wish more people could have a pharmacist to talk to instead of just relying on the Drs. I have several Family members who were told they would have to be on the stuff for life. Funny thing is they never had any acid problems all their lives like myself until the selling of the "purple pill" became so rampant. Just the normal problem people have now and then from overeating.
I can't help but feel it is suggestion or something.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 10:44 AM
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A tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a cup of water helps alleviate hearburn.

So does kombucha or almond milk.
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posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: GoShredAK
A tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a cup of water helps alleviate hearburn.

So does kombucha or almond milk.


Depends. AC won't help ulcers. Neither will the bubbles in kombucha.

Better off with fermented foods without bubbles or very high acid if you don't know what the cause is.

Sauerkraut being the number one best placed to start. The real stuff. Cabbage juice has been used for ulcers for a long time. Probiotics in sauerkraut is an extra bonus for gut stability.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: GoShredAK
A tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a cup of water helps alleviate hearburn.

So does kombucha or almond milk.


Depends. AC won't help ulcers. Neither will the bubbles in kombucha.

Better off with fermented foods without bubbles or very high acid if you don't know what the cause is.

Sauerkraut being the number one best placed to start. The real stuff. Cabbage juice has been used for ulcers for a long time. Probiotics in sauerkraut is an extra bonus for gut stability.

www.livestrong.com...



As the name suggests, apple cider vinegar is a specific type of vinegar made by distilling apples. While there are a number of health benefits associated with using apple cider vinegar, apple cider vinegar appears to be especially effective in treating certain forms of ulcers, including peptic ulcers, which is a condition that often occurs as a result of a large number of H. pylori bacteria in the stomach. Apple cider vinegar treats peptic ulcers by neutralizing stomach acid, report Nelms, Sucher and Long in "Nutrition Therapy and Pathophysiology."

The rest is on the web link. Vinegar is near miraculous stuff.
Step 1
Choose the right kind of apple cider vinegar. Disabled World encourages individuals who want to treat peptic ulcers with apple cider vinegar to purchase a cold-pressed product made from organic apples free from added preservatives. Make sure that the "Mother" -- a gelatinous, milky, stringy substance that’s naturally produced during fermentation – has been retained in the specific bottle of apple cider vinegar. The "Mother" is a rich source of vitamins and minerals, healthy bacteria and important enzymes. Its presence ensures that the product has not been overly processed.
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posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: GoShredAK
A tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in a cup of water helps alleviate hearburn.

So does kombucha or almond milk.


Depends. AC won't help ulcers. Neither will the bubbles in kombucha.

Better off with fermented foods without bubbles or very high acid if you don't know what the cause is.

Sauerkraut being the number one best placed to start. The real stuff. Cabbage juice has been used for ulcers for a long time. Probiotics in sauerkraut is an extra bonus for gut stability.

www.livestrong.com...



As the name suggests, apple cider vinegar is a specific type of vinegar made by distilling apples. While there are a number of health benefits associated with using apple cider vinegar, apple cider vinegar appears to be especially effective in treating certain forms of ulcers, including peptic ulcers, which is a condition that often occurs as a result of a large number of H. pylori bacteria in the stomach. Apple cider vinegar treats peptic ulcers by neutralizing stomach acid, report Nelms, Sucher and Long in "Nutrition Therapy and Pathophysiology."

The rest is on the web link. Vinegar is near miraculous stuff.
Step 1
Choose the right kind of apple cider vinegar. Disabled World encourages individuals who want to treat peptic ulcers with apple cider vinegar to purchase a cold-pressed product made from organic apples free from added preservatives. Make sure that the "Mother" -- a gelatinous, milky, stringy substance that’s naturally produced during fermentation – has been retained in the specific bottle of apple cider vinegar. The "Mother" is a rich source of vitamins and minerals, healthy bacteria and important enzymes. Its presence ensures that the product has not been overly processed.


Not sure. I have tried it for a long time. Used braggs or any other organic mother version. It temporarily seemed to help. The amount needed to actually do damage to the imbalance in my stomach not only irritated my ulcer it also effected my teeth.

It may be good in combination with other remedies but it definitely didn't work for me like adding fermented food. I have also read the acid itself can hurt esophical or any other dammage done before the stomach by AR.

But I am only providing anecrdotal evidence and some specific conditions. If it works for some people it works.

Also wanted to add tumeric seems to work as well.
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posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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No I get you I think this is what you are missing Apple Cider Vinegar is not acid like others.




Raw ACV is the only vinegar that is alkaline-forming to the body. All other vinegars (white, balsamic, red wine, etc) are acid-forming. For a health balanced pH, raw apple cider vinegar is one of the best things to add to your diet.Jun 12, 2012



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: luthier

No I get you I think this is what you are missing Apple Cider Vinegar is not acid like others.




Raw ACV is the only vinegar that is alkaline-forming to the body. All other vinegars (white, balsamic, red wine, etc) are acid-forming. For a health balanced pH, raw apple cider vinegar is one of the best things to add to your diet.Jun 12, 2012


No I understand that. However it has to begin the metabolization process first. It doesn't happen instantly. For instance I guarantee if you put a mouth full of strait acv in your mouth tour teeth will be stripped of enamel. If your esophogus is raw from AR and you are downing acid it is going to iterate it.

I used to take pills to get over that. When I was competing in wrestling and judo I needed my pH to be level to avoid making a lot of lactic acid. I still got AR. Probably because I was cutting 8-12 lbs in a couple days my stomach got way out of Ballance.

It's great it just didn't work to get rid of my AR. Food and probiotics in fermented food did the trick. So if it isn't working for anyone else maybe that advice will help. I am not a natural path or anything but I have had to use all kinds of performance diets to maximize my athletic ability. Never did drugs I just used foods and some natural supplements. Well some people may have used what is technically called a drug for recovery but a couple States no longer consider it a criminal drug.




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