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The Draft may be coming...

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posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 11:31 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that there were no Marines involved in this incident.

www.nydailynews.com...




posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:02 AM
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I dont remember Marines being involved in that one, it was just a hostile reaction by another member and I gave him satisfaction in answering back on it the matter.

From one Marine to another...

Semper Fi Grady



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:08 AM
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Answer this...If the U.S. Military is so desperate and short of folks, how come they are letting Active Duty Air Force personnel of overmanned career fields, simply cut ties and leave the military (Force Shaping Program)? Contracts clearly state that in times of need, members of any branch may have their contracts of enlistment moved to say the Army, where more effective. Yet, we are letting people go, to get our OVERSIZED numbers of Active Duty members down now....

This Draft talk is simply an overblown scare tactic of paranoids and those who wish to propagandize against the current administration. LoL, with the amount of paranoia on this site, those of you so opposed, would never have to serve anyway, it's called Concientious Objection...in this day and age, with today's modern military, draftees would do nothing but clog the system and slow down the capabilities of our more highly trained forces...

Chill folks, if you haven't volunteered, then you're more than safe there at home, chatting about conspiracies and aliens.


[edit on 19-1-2005 by Kyle325is]



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:49 AM
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It would not surprise me if the draft was re-instated by our Gov't, their nothing but a bunch of liars. Bush said there wouldn't be,....... but Bush has told us a lot of things that ended-up as lies, but alas, there's nothing anyone can do about it, unless they want to be called a "Radical", as some did back in the 60's and 70's to fight the Gov't, hey, might have to come to that again


Here's an old clipping I found;

www.wsws.org...

With the Pentagon straining to find troops to confront the popular resistance in Iraq, and over 100 US soldiers killed since the beginning of this month, a senior Republican legislator has called for the reinstitution of the military draft, abolished during the Vietnam War more than 30 years ago.

Senator Chuck Hagel (Republican from Nebraska), appearing on NBC television’s “Today Show” on Wednesday, said that mandatory military service had to be considered in the face of what he described as a “generational war against terrorism.”

He added that the “middle class” and the “lower middle class” should not be forced to bear the burden of “fighting and dying if, in fact, this is a generational—probably 25-year—war.”

Hagel’s remarks on the “Today Show” echoed his statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee the day before, when he argued that conscription would force “our citizens to understand the intensity and depth of challenges we face.”

While denying that they are even considering a revival of the draft, the Bush administration and the military have been conducting a low-profile recruitment campaign in recent months to staff the country’s Selective Service boards with more than 10,000 volunteers. If the draft were reinstated, these boards would have the authority to accept or reject appeals by young men seeking deferments from military service.


Nonetheless, both parties have made it clear that they have no intention of ending the occupation of Iraq. With little prospect of significant forces coming from other countries, and with no indication that popular resistance to the US takeover of Iraq is abating, Washington will inevitably find itself compelled to increase its troop strength there. Under conditions in which the military is already over-extended, the US government, whichever party wins the November election, may conclude it has no choice but to revive the draft in order to maintain the occupation.

The current talk about reviving the draft represents the initial trial balloons, to be followed at some point by a media offensive aimed at depicting conscription as both a patriotic and democratic initiative. Thus, a cynical campaign has begun to dragoon many thousands of American youth, who are to be used as cannon fodder in an illegal colonial war, launched on the basis of lies for predatory aims that have been concealed from the American people.

Here's a second article I found on the draft;

www.utne.com...


U.S. Preparing For Military Draft in Spring of 2005
Legislation in the works: Selective Service System already mobilizing
—By Adum Stutz / Bob Keeler / Connor Freff Cochran, Vancounver IndyMedia.org / Newsday / AlterNet


May 6, 2004 Issue



After the champagne popping from Washington to Crawford, Texas subsides, a re-elected President George W. Bush would reinstate the military draft sometime next spring. Legislation is already on the table in both the House and the Senate, in the form of twin bills S 89 and HR 163, "in order to staff up for a protracted war on terrorism," writes Adam Stutz, from Project Censored. Meanwhile, the Selective Service System has received an extra $28 million in funds for this year's budget to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide and put "troops on the ground in 85% of all American high schools to make sure no one between 18-25 years old slips through the cracks. Schools cannot very easily claim conscientious objector status, by the way. "Buried deep in the 670 pages of the No Child Left Behind Act there is a provision which requires that public high schools give military recruiters access to facilities and also contact information for every student -- or else face a cutoff of federal aid," writes Connor Freff Cochran of AlterNet.



It sure sounds like the workings of an up-coming draft to me, even though Bush swore there would be no draft,.......... can't trust the Gov't




posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by zamphir66
Bush can't just snap his fingers and make the draft happen.








LMAO, why can't he,........... remember he's the chosen one,......... he thinks he's a GOD and do anything he wants and no one can stop him, these past four years should have proved that much to the world as to how far Bush is willing to push the people around,.......... the big bully



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by nanna_of_6
Here's an old clipping I found;

www.wsws.org...



Ah, the World Socialist Website. Now there's a reputable group, if there ever was one. Did I ever mention that killing communists is the most gratifying experience of my varied and storied life?

[edit on 05/1/19 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 01:13 AM
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LOL I'm sorry but all that wind from the "World Socialists" deserves a nice, deep, hearty, patriotic, capitalist LAUGH



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Ah, the World Socialist Website. Now there's a reputable group, if there ever was one. Did I ever mention that killing communists is the most gratifying experience of my varied and storied life?

[edit on 05/1/19 by GradyPhilpott]








I didn't say I knew anything about the "site", I said I found a article and it just happened to be on that site. BTW, you must have loved being in "NAM" killing the communists,........ if they're dead, they're VC's, right isn't that the way you were "brain-washed" and trained to think of the people in Vietnam ?

BTW, I don't see what the "big-deal" was all about before the election over the book "The New Soldier" by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against The War, it was imformative and the pictures brought back those days,........ the Iraq War reminds me of the Vietnam War, both presidents gave a BS reason to start their war, with no real danger to the USA from either country to call for war and people died then and are dead or being killed now for NO GOOD REASON,.............. and please don't throw 9/11 up, that is getting to be a really poor excuse for a reason for attacking Iraq when they had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack on our soil.

"NEVER THINK THAT WAR NO MATTER HOW NECESSARY NOR HOW JUSTIFIED IS NOT A CRIME. ASK THE INFANTRY AND ASK THE DEAD".
Quote from; Ernest Hemingway



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by nanna_of_6
I didn't say I knew anything about the "site", I said I found a article and it just happened to be on that site. BTW, you must have loved being in "NAM" killing the communists,........ if they're dead, they're VC's, right isn't that the way you were "brain-washed" and trained to think of the people in Vietnam ?



You've seen too many Hollywood propaganda films and listened to John Kerry too long. No one was brainwashed except those who decided that supporting the enemy in a time of war was the "honorable" thing to do.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 08:26 AM
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I think Grady is noble and all that, but he holds a lot of old fashioned sediments that don't fit in to today's realities. Iraq is war for profit, and if the Bush administration can get more profit by sending more young people to war, they will do it.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 09:08 AM
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Hmmm…. Why does this tired subject keep raising it’s ugly head around here?

I spent 8 years in the Army, the all-volunteer Army as it is today. America’s professional forces do NOT want any draftees fouling their system up. Draftees are unmotivated scum that distract from those who believe in God, Country and Duty. It’s draftees or poorly trained /part time soldiers that usually FUBAR things while the competent folks have to clean up behind them.

What they want is increased funding for 1-2 more divisions and an extra MEU or two. The Marines are currently rotating at a 6/6 schedule (6 months stateside with 6 month deployment) and would probably like to slow this down to 9/6 or even 12/6.

Contrary to some folk’s beliefs, I feel it would not be too hard to find 50,000-70,000 more folks to join up if proper incentives were offered. Perhaps and extended 6 month recruiting campaign will do the trick.

Please stop with the Draft rumors. We’re not going to have a draft unless we go to war with N. Korea, Iran and China at the same time AND the conflict lasts years…which is very unlikely.


kix

posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 10:44 AM
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Mr. nice sorry to burst your bubble but this Iraq conflict will endure a lot..it started almost 2 years ago and they gave 87 illion to the task and guess waht NO MORE money...thay have spent it and oits going at 4.7 bill a month (estimated), its supposed to end with Jan election in Iraq....

HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAAA AHAHAHAHAAH HAHAHHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHHAHAHA

(if they have put Saddam in the Ballot he would have won!!)

The day after the elections I want to see your Prezz (newly sworn as president) say its first PUBLIC LIE of this term....

The election was a succsess (we have installed our own puppet goverment) and we will stay in the region to make sure this (puppet) goverment (pays us in OIL our money) makes Iraq a great nation that will be a beacon of democracy (and an example of our might) to other area countries....

we dont need John Titor,,,youll see it NEXT WEEK



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by nanna_of_6
I didn't say I knew anything about the "site", I said I found a article and it just happened to be on that site. BTW, you must have loved being in "NAM" killing the communists,........ if they're dead, they're VC's, right isn't that the way you were "brain-washed" and trained to think of the people in Vietnam ?



You've seen too many Hollywood propaganda films and listened to John Kerry too long. No one was brainwashed except those who decided that supporting the enemy in a time of war was the "honorable" thing to do.


Urahhhh there Grady. Killing commies was "honorable" once. Nam, Cambodia or Laos........Go devil dog go..............



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by mscbkc070904
Semper Fi Grady


Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung ho! Gung ho! Gung ho!



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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I would pretty much say that a draft WILL be instituted. If another front is opened, it will be a necessity. There are simply not enough troops to effectively accomplish the ultimate goal of winning. Unless there is some weapon that will be used to take out the MANY thousands of Iranian troops which would flood the battlefield, I see no alternative.

GI here - 101st Airborne



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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No more personal insults



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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I think it was a mistake to get rid of the draft in the first place. It is true that a strictly professional force does function better when the demands are low, but nothing beats manpower when the chips are down. Not all draftees are gold-bricks and not all volunteers are hot-to-trot. Having a population of inidividuals who have some investment in national defense is an invaluable asset.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I think it was a mistake to get rid of the draft in the first place.


Disagree.

Other than a National emergancy (WW2) I dont believe in it. I volunteered myself.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 12:45 PM
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I volunteered as well. There was no draft when I enlisted. Isn't it Israel that every male needs to serve. Look at the level of respect that their forces have as a fighting machine. I'd say that their pretty much respected by most. Maybe not liked or agreed with, but respected. Says something about a draft.



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