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What Young Men Need To Be Taught

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posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

originally posted by: amazing
Why even have an argument here?


We can all agree on the following:

A. Women are equal to men in all aspects.
B. Men should respect women and treat them with respect.
C. We should treat all humans with respect.
D. Men Objectify women more then women objectify men. It's hardwired into our DNA...ergo Men are visual creatures and react to how women look. Think that women need to be romanced and read erotica and romance novels men look at porn and naked pictures of women. It's pretty simple. However, men can control themselves. I can. I don't insult women, I don't catcall them, oogle them, grope them, stare at body parts, or use derogitory language when talking to or about them. This is really the crux of the conversation.

That isn't the crux of the conversation though.

I agree with your points man but why on earth should we listen to some angry woman tell us young men all need to be taught something because she is mad at the actions of a few uni kids she saw online?

You just said yourself men can control themselves, and the vast majority of men do.

That is why there is argument in here.


I agree with you, but there's a lot more than just that going on in this thread. One person's reaction to a few people doesn't really equate to anything on that we agree. Feminism isn't that one woman, but there are a few dinosaurs on ats and this thread that think all feminism is evil and that men are superior to women.

Ahh sorry, when you said it was the crux of the conversation I took that to mean the main topic of the thread. My bad.





posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

How about if we take women out of it altogether? What if a guy started following you around, and without speaking to you, started taking your picture? Then what if you found out later that he posted your picture on a public Facebook page that was seen by thousands of people, and posted some things about you that you might take offense to? Would you think, no big deal - or would you think it was a little bit rude of him?

Or, bringing women back in to it, what if a group of feminist women were on a bus road trip and they were recorded singing songs that totally bashed and insulted men, implying that men were stupid animals, only good for doing heavy lifting and other chores that the women dictated to them, and referred to the sounds men make as grunting ape-like sounds? Would you think that it's bad for women to have this kind of attitude towards men, or would you think the feminists were just having a little fun, no harm done? Would you rather women not raise hard-core feminists, or do you think its perfectly okay for them to raise girls any way they want?


I would think the man a little rude for not asking my permission to take my pic, but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, and I wouldn't call him a violent rapist and spout a whole load of crap about how young men should be educated.

A group of feminists can sing whatever they want on a coach. I don't think how they were raised would have had anything to do with their activities on said coach. I certainly wouldn't be offended. I also would not call these feminists violent rapists and spout a whole load of crap about how young women should be educated.

Calling for an entire sex to be educated based on ones own personal beliefs is about as close to extremism and fascism as one can get. The author of the article in the OP has the right to her view. I have the right to laugh at her and reject her extremist and sexist views.
To be fair to her though she's not as ugly as most feminists - I even managed to track down a nude shot of her that was fairly decent. I'd say 6.5/10.


edit on 18/4/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

I feel like it is a real shame and a harm to true feminists.


And the author of the article in the OP thinks the actions of the rude young men are a real shame too.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

I feel like it is a real shame and a harm to true feminists.


And the author of the article in the OP thinks the actions of the rude young men are a real shame too.

The author's definition of rude seems to differ drastically from that of normal people.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Everyone who read the article knows she disagrees with the actions of the young men. The entire purpose of this thread is to discuss her view. What manner of contribution to the discussion is it, if you just parrot the obvious?

To clarify: I know what she thinks and I disagree with her dictator-like solutions.

You don't try to fix the majority when there is only a problem with a minority. It's stupid, sorry.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: kaylaluv

Everyone who read the article knows she disagrees with the actions of the young men. The entire purpose of this thread is to discuss her view. What manner of contribution to the discussion is it, if you just parrot the obvious?

I hate to point out the obvious, but it's seldom supposed to be a discussion with varying opinions. It's supposed to be an echo chamber support group nowadays. Dissenters are loathed.


You don't try to fix the majority when there is only a problem with a minority. It's stupid, sorry.

Correct, you get it. But in their minds, the bathwater is tainted even if it's sterile, thus just on with it & toss it (plus the baby that hasn't made in in yet, they'll just sully it anyway) Dare I suggest that modern feminism has reached proportions of hysteria & paranoia to be a mental illness.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu




But it's okey-fine to repress those emotions that this writer thinks are icky!


So, I suppose by your ah... logic there, I should not "repress the emotion" to punch you in the face if you take a picture of me or my daughter without our explicit permission? I mean, I would be angry, which is a "bad" emotion, and I would want to hit you for doing that, which is an expression of the "bad" emotion and I suppose that some people might think that is "icky" or at least negative and that the emotion and resulting emotionally driven action should probably be repressed for the sake of social cohesion.

There is a difference between repressing emotion and repressing social behavior that threatens people and infringes upon their rights to privacy. The fact that you don't get the difference illustrates one of the reasons for prevalence of this type of behavior.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: kaylaluv


You don't try to fix the majority when there is only a problem with a minority. It's stupid, sorry.


She's not trying to fix the majority. She made a specific statement that what she was saying didn't apply to all those whose sons aren't rude. That means that she is aware that not all young men are rude. Did everyone miss that?



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

I feel like it is a real shame and a harm to true feminists.


And the author of the article in the OP thinks the actions of the rude young men are a real shame too.

The author's definition of rude seems to differ drastically from that of normal people.


I don't know, I don't think it's considered polite for a stranger to stalk you.

I don't think it's considered good manners to sing about banging thousands of girls. If I had a son and found out he'd done that, I would tell him it's not in good taste. I certainly wouldn't congratulate him for it. Woot woot! Way to go son! Promiscuous sex with thousands of girls is AWESOME!! Hopefully, you'll do more than just sing about it!!

I don't think it's very nice to post pictures of college girls and rate them positively or negatively where everyone in the university can see it. If I had a son, I certainly wouldn't give him high fives for doing it. Good for you son! You pointed out the babes from the dogs for everyone to see!! Woot woot! You go boy!



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

I feel like it is a real shame and a harm to true feminists.


And the author of the article in the OP thinks the actions of the rude young men are a real shame too.

The author's definition of rude seems to differ drastically from that of normal people.


I don't know, I don't think it's considered polite for a stranger to stalk you.

I don't think it's considered good manners to sing about banging thousands of girls. If I had a son and found out he'd done that, I would tell him it's not in good taste. I certainly wouldn't congratulate him for it. Woot woot! Way to go son! Promiscuous sex with thousands of girls is AWESOME!! Hopefully, you'll do more than just sing about it!!

I don't think it's very nice to post pictures of college girls and rate them positively or negatively where everyone in the university can see it. If I had a son, I certainly wouldn't give him high fives for doing it. Good for you son! You pointed out the babes from the dogs for everyone to see!! Woot woot! You go boy!


The funniest thing of all is that you would actually believe that sons whose parents tell them not to sing naughty songs or try get women into bed actually don't do those things.

These actions in the OP have little to do with how parents raise there kids. I'll clue you in. It has much more to do with alcohol, group culture, peer pressure and good old fashioned hormones.

You can be pretty sure that in certain circumstances through their early lives young men will do the exact opposite of what their parents tell them. Eventually they 'grow up' and start to hide what they really think and watch what they say.

By the way, there is no evidence of stalking in the OP. So far you have used words like violence, rape and stalking to describe the actions in the OP. That is incredibly weird.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

I feel like it is a real shame and a harm to true feminists.


And the author of the article in the OP thinks the actions of the rude young men are a real shame too.

The author's definition of rude seems to differ drastically from that of normal people.


I don't know, I don't think it's considered polite for a stranger to stalk you.


I know thinking is hard for some fellow women, but Woolworth Guy is neither the dictionary, nor the legal, definition of stalking. Please, just stop talking while you're ahead.


I don't think it's considered good manners to sing about banging thousands of girls. If I had a son and found out he'd done that, I would tell him it's not in good taste. I certainly wouldn't congratulate him for it. Woot woot! Way to go son! Promiscuous sex with thousands of girls is AWESOME!! Hopefully, you'll do more than just sing about it!!

This is what we call "reaching".



I don't think it's very nice to post pictures of college girls and rate them positively or negatively where everyone in the university can see it. If I had a son, I certainly wouldn't give him high fives for doing it. Good for you son! You pointed out the babes from the dogs for everyone to see!! Woot woot! You go boy!

And People of Walmart is the opposite of that. I see critiquing people is evidently only ok if they're obese trailer trash.
edit on 4/18/2016 by Nyiah because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Well at least you admit that the behavior referred to in the OP isn't very good behavior.

Now you are telling me that what parents do to raise their children does no good at all? There is no point to teach children right from wrong?

If you raise your child to say please and thank you, they usually will, even in their teen years. If you raise a child by telling them constantly they are stupid, ugly, worthless, it will affect them and their actions. If a boy grows up seeing their father in a gang, the likelihood of that boy joining a gang as a teen is very high.

I realize that teens will sometimes do things they shouldn't, but let's not deny that young people will often emulate behavior they've seen at home. If they are not taught that the behavior is unacceptable, maybe they don't know.

The songs sung were violent in nature, which implies rape. I didn't say anyone raped anyone - I'm saying the songs glorify violent sexual behavior toward women. In my book, if you are following someone around and taking their picture without their knowledge, that's stalking. I'd be very uncomfortable if I found out someone was doing that to me.



posted on Apr, 18 2016 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah



And People of Walmart is the opposite of that. I see critiquing people is evidently only ok if they're obese trailer trash.


I've never seen this website, but from what I've heard of it, I think it's terrible.



posted on Apr, 19 2016 @ 01:47 AM
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As mentioned earlier... Male dominated society. This argument for equality is turning into no different than in ethics religious moralism has no place in the streets and those wanting their religious political domination intact refuse to accept others, when separation of church and state means they werent ever meant to be there in the first place so melting pot of everyone could be harmonious. Social norms become law... what about some law makers saying oh if shes unconcious its ok, or no really means yes, or Playboy removing nudes that looks like a win on the surface but only can in turn then start sexualizing younger underage women as a very fine line called barely there but not quite bare... are those social norms any one other than those wanting that sort of thing to happen be seen as normal?

Thats the sickness, women are not Pokemon gotta collect them all nonsense. Be honest learn some stuff women want to teach you may lack due to logical extremes of male dominated sexist programming. Learn healthly emotional bonds, better coping skills and communication, how to be alone have a life independent where youre not controlling and laying egg shells all over the floor, hen pecked means just that failure to communicate but she hasnt given up... so why persist?

Some guys just quit and have come at with dont hate the player hate the game, meaning the ol round and round is the those playing it. Hate the game by knowing it being honest about it? Poof you win even if you werent trying too... but honesty sows more oats than the rumor mill cranks out, once those oats are fed make sure communication is there, emotions and healthly coping is there... if not you better bet your ass women have tried to help and if not one strong enough to hold your ass down and out of society will take one for the team and dominate your sorry ass.

It always words like let and tell... um adults dont need to be let anything, slavery is over, told. well thats the control nonsense. Ive seen women try so hard on an insecure male talking him up and getting her jollies off of that control she feels over him so he gets jealous and tries to attack... so theres your dogs and bitches.

So hey love games and nonsense not a good thing in the public sector from such programming either as it keeps all the sanity and rationality that should be logical enough for anyone to determine going round and round yeah its something many profit off of to be dysfunctional too... isnt that some of the lowest of the low and where true corruption sits?

Makes me sick to my stomach thinking of all the politicians hiding investments in the bloodbath war machhine etc when it comes time for election and the shovels come out to dig... dont hate the play but rig the game for maximum profit and poof theres all capitalism in a nutshell, socialism is the just cause as the other is tyranny no matter what other name is goes when form is up for sale.



posted on Apr, 19 2016 @ 04:38 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

The songs sung were violent in nature, which implies rape. I didn't say anyone raped anyone - I'm saying the songs glorify violent sexual behavior toward women.

I'm a little surprised that you're not aware, but I guess I should point out to you that those song lyrics are all sexual metaphors. They are not allusions to violence. When they talk about shooting women in their boxes, they're not referring to using a firearm. When they sing about creaming women, they're not talking about punching them in the face. They're metaphors...you know, metaphors? About sex...you know, sex? Not rape. There's a big difference.

Singing a song about beating women and then having their way with them would be different. Singing a song about tying women up and then having their way with them would be different. Their song contained no references to violence, unless you count metaphors that are clearly referring to sex and not violence.



posted on Apr, 19 2016 @ 07:42 AM
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a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Yes, I'm quite aware they are sexual metaphors. They aren't exactly gentle in nature, and do I have to point out to you that singing about doing these things to ALL the ladies implies even to those who might not want it?



posted on Apr, 19 2016 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

i believe kids should be raised correctly and most parents cant really be bothered can they.
you can tell by how they turn out

but at the same time this women is only crying out because it happens to her daughter.
if it didn't she would not care and right this

its amazing what you dont do until it effects you.

same as a charity runner. Do they care about raising money for charities until one of their family members is affected?
then they will do something. Its good but selfish at the same. some people do it out of love and see the bigger picture, but most wont.



posted on Apr, 19 2016 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

Critiquing people . . . hmmmmm . . .

I guess I figure that folks who seem to enjoy being about 4 standard deviations [a huge amount] from the mean [average] . . . kind of enjoy attracting attention. It's likely their only shred of feeling like they breathe air and take up space . . . that they exist . . . that they matter the least little bit . . . is to turn heads at Wally's World.

Yeah, a lot of them are smack dab in the middle of very sadly pathetic. Yet, I don't think failing to notice or failing to laugh is going to help them even a tiny bit. May as well live and let live; laugh and go on. NOT laugh maliciously nor haughtily nor self-righteously--just laugh at the extreme variety of human expression.

Maybe the uhhhh expressive one in the OP could be taken that way?



posted on Apr, 19 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Yes, I'm quite aware they are sexual metaphors. They aren't exactly gentle in nature, and do I have to point out to you that singing about doing these things to ALL the ladies implies even to those who might not want it?


Sounds like your point is that if you sing about sex its related to rape if any woman who hears it doesn't want to have sex. Is that really what you are saying?

I'm still having great difficulty where your rape association comes from here.



posted on Apr, 19 2016 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Yes, I'm quite aware they are sexual metaphors. They aren't exactly gentle in nature,

My point is valid however that they aren't exactly violent in nature either. Sexual metaphors often allude to vigorous activity, it doesn't make them violent.

and do I have to point out to you that singing about doing these things to ALL the ladies implies even to those who might not want it?

You may point it out, but you're not going to convince me that their silly raunchy song was promoting or justifying sexual assault. I also want to have sex with all the women(most of them anyway), it doesn't mean that I'm going to go out and make them all have sex with me. Wanting to have sex with all the women does not equate to wanting to assault those who aren't willing.




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