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What Young Men Need To Be Taught

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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: UKTruth
Very confused by this OP to be honest.

In terms of the guy who keeps posting on facebook, there is nothing wrong with it all - unless the woman has told to him to get lost, which wasn't clear.

As for the young Aussie guys singing songs about women and rating them, there is nothing wrong with it all.
Young men have always assessed women's looks and will continue to do so until the human race dies out.


You're kidding, right?

The creepy stalker took the girl's picture without her permission or knowledge, then posted it on the store's facebook page. You don't think there is anything wrong with that?

You don't think there's anything wrong with singing pro-rape and violent sounding lyrics like "shooting them in their boxes" (and there were lyrics a lot worse than that)?

No one should be able to take pictures of women who happen to be out in public and then posting them to social media without the women's permission. Period.


I am not kidding.

I am not sure there is any law against posting pics you took in public. If there is then the guy should be asked to stop. Or if the woman does not like it, she can ask him to stop.

As for the young guys singing - where does rape and violence come into it? Young guys sing songs about women and sex, especially when they are in a group - It doesn't even sound like they were singing it to a woman, just amusing themselves.

I can't see anything wrong here at all, nor do I think there any lessons to be learnt, except maybe for people to relax and stop getting upset over nothing.
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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN

I see clearly the point you are making and understand fully why you think it, but I am from that generation and I believe they are a generation of game-players rather than snowflakes/idiots. My generation is full of excuses, and IMO opinions like yours let them justify their excuses (please don't take this as a personal slant against you, like I said I fully understand your position, it is an opinion I have no choice in holding; the sum of my experiences made up my mind for me on this one).



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

I think you make a good point.

However . . . how does 'being a game player'

influence one's values . . . one's sense of right vs wrong?

. . . in your opinion . . .

Is the resulting conclusion, gestalt, way of construing the world and reality . . . that it is all just a farce? . . . a vast meaningless cosmic game of chance controlled variables only or primarily?

What?

What is their/your sense of right vs wrong and what does it derive from?

What is their/your sense of personal responsibility and where does it derive from or fail to derive from?

Thanks for your kind reply.



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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv




There's plenty of stuff out there advising parents of young girls as well. It's not all one-sided against the boys


Get back to me when the MSM and a Secretary of State tells men they must vote for Bernie or Trump because he is a Man.

Only this girl would not see the sexist double standard with that.




Sexism is wrong no matter how you cut it.

Their is NO valid justification for a women to vote for a women just because they are women , without being sexist. What about Fat people, short people, blonds, black people, etc. ... .

Your sex nor the other silly attributes listed above should have anything todo with your qualification to do the job.



The double standard is strong with the MSM. DO you think Trump telling men to vote for him because he is a white middle aged man, would generate a huge outcry from the MSM or would they handle it like the MA incident?


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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Well with that attitude, I sure hope you aren't raising any sons.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

What the hell does the upcoming election have to do with advising parents to raise their children to be respectful towards others and towards themselves?



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

Well with that attitude, I sure hope you aren't raising any sons.



My attitude is just fine. I try not to get too offended by other people doing what they want to do, as long as they are not breaking the law.

If you are offended by the situations described in the OP, your parents obviously did a poor job at teaching you about the world - shame on them. See how that works?



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

I think you make a good point.

However . . . how does 'being a game player'

influence one's values . . . one's sense of right vs wrong?

. . . in your opinion . . .

Is the resulting conclusion, gestalt, way of construing the world and reality . . . that it is all just a farce? . . . a vast meaningless cosmic game of chance controlled variables only or primarily?

What?

What is their/your sense of right vs wrong and what does it derive from?

What is their/your sense of personal responsibility and where does it derive from or fail to derive from?

Thanks for your kind reply.

To be honest, as a social animal born with a conscience, right and wrong have always been obvious to me. It's taught throughout childhood despite parents. The amount of stories/games/movies/morals/lessons/fables/parables/adages that, at their core, are stories of Good VS Evil is beyond staggering. You would have to go through childhood with blinkers on to not know the difference between right and wrong in my opinion

Maybe I'm blinded by my reliance on my own personal interactions and experiences on this subject. It's just that I see a generation who will take as much leeway as they are given, even though they know they are in the wrong. Like a type of cognitive dissonance, they know their actions are problematic but they are getting away with it so they are okay with the problem, and some are being afforded benefits because of it (like using snowflake status to take advantage and forward ideas in line with their own opinions, or silence opinions they disagree with, for instance). The PC culture is a safe playground for a lot of them to toe the line without repercussions IMO, they keep chipping and chiselling wanting more and more.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: interupt42

What the hell does the upcoming election have to do with advising parents to raise their children to be respectful towards others and towards themselves?


Funny because I was just thinking the same thing about your comment and what it had todo my original post dealing with "double standards" in regards to SOMEONE elses comment?



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Dark Ghost

Both sexes are perverse, women do these things too.


This is true. No one here wants to know what my roommates and I talked about in our dorm room.

But then again, because we didn't have the miracle of the internet to share with the world, no one has to, and maybe that's the problem. We're all into sharing now, so things that should stay where they happened don't because some idiot (I wanted to say the "r" word, but that's not socially acceptable anymore although I think it's apt here) can't figure out that some things just shouldn't be shared beyond the bounds of the moment.

We all do these things, men, women, doesn't matter, but what we used to never do is let them see the light of public scrutiny.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah I see how it works. Boys raised by men who teach them it's okay to stalk girls and brag about how they'd like to bang as many as they can - with or without their permission.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah I see how it works. Boys raised by men who teach them it's okay to stalk girls and brag about how they'd like to bang as many as they can - with or without their permission.


You mean a guy taking photo's of a woman in a public place because he fancies her and a group of young men being completely normal in a group. It's called life. Far more important things in life to worry about.

The only creepy thing is how those actions can be related to rape and violence by unhinged people who falsely believe the entire world should shape itself around them and delusioned enough to think that associating normal behaviour with rape is going to work as a tactic.

If you are an attractive woman, men are going to look at you, some will comment, some may even take pictures, some will crack a comment to their mates and shock horror, some may even have some naughty thoughts. If it's an ugly woman, not so much. Good luck trying to change that.
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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Do you know any teenage boys?



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: kaylaluv

Do you know any teenage boys?


Yep. Have some teen nephews. Good boys raised by some fairly strict parents. None of them ever disrespected a girl on social media. None of them ever bragged publicly about how many "boxes of foxes" they could shoot. Nope, not once. All are in monogamous relationships. Have they had some naughty thoughts? Oh I'm sure. Have they acted on them against someone's will? Nope.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: kaylaluv

Do you know any teenage boys?


Yep. Have some teen nephews. Good boys raised by some fairly strict parents. None of them ever disrespected a girl on social media. None of them ever bragged publicly about how many "boxes of foxes" they could shoot. Nope, not once. All are in monogamous relationships. Have they had some naughty thoughts? Oh I'm sure. Have they acted on them against someone's will? Nope.


Don't be too shocked when you or your sister finds their stash of porno mags.
Also, I doubt you or your sister have any idea how these good boys behave when with their mates and trying to pull girls.
Believe me when I tell you that I probably know that side of them better than you do.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

I found it interesting that at least one young man objected to the crass "rape songs" sung by the university boys on the bus.


At least one man can be heard objecting to the deplorable behaviour, asking, “What the f***?” as others continued to yell the verses.


www.news.com.au... 3df2ba3

So at least one guy was raised right.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

I found it interesting that at least one young man objected to the crass "rape songs" sung by the university boys on the bus.


At least one man can be heard objecting to the deplorable behaviour, asking, “What the f***?” as others continued to yell the verses.


www.news.com.au... 3df2ba3

So at least one guy was raised right.


Or unusual and is probably the prime candidate for not being raised right. Probably has a crazy mother.
Your link doesn't work.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

I found it interesting that at least one young man objected to the crass "rape songs" sung by the university boys on the bus.


At least one man can be heard objecting to the deplorable behaviour, asking, “What the f***?” as others continued to yell the verses.


www.news.com.au... 3df2ba3

So at least one guy was raised right.


Or unusual and is probably the prime candidate for not being raised right. Probably has a crazy mother.


Yeah, that must be it. That crazy mom, teaching her kid to respect women.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

I found it interesting that at least one young man objected to the crass "rape songs" sung by the university boys on the bus.


At least one man can be heard objecting to the deplorable behaviour, asking, “What the f***?” as others continued to yell the verses.


www.news.com.au... 3df2ba3

So at least one guy was raised right.


Or unusual and is probably the prime candidate for not being raised right. Probably has a crazy mother.


Yeah, that must be it. That crazy mom, teaching her kid to respect women.


It has nothing to do with respecting women.

Some guy takes a picture and contacts a woman via facebook in a clumsy attempt to get to know her.
Some young guys sing some dirty songs about women when in a group, on a bus together.

If you think that is being raised wrong, then I feel sorry for you. I do find it highly odd that you and the author of the linked article in the OP associate either example with rape and violence and blame fathers and mothers.

You simply are not going to make all boys think like girls. Never going to happen.

Stop judging others and focus on living your own life. It's far healthier.
Leave the judging to court rooms when laws are broken.






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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

It has everything to do with respecting women. And if you don't get that, I feel sorry for you.



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