2016: The Year the Americans Found out Our Elections Are Rigged

I do vote, but I've been voting for the LP candidate for 20 years. I know it is futile, but at least my conscience is clear the next morning.

The idea that voters control their government in any way at all by way of the ballot box is simply propaganda.

Much more effect by way of the jury box.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: UKTruth

Too many rely on government, too many would fight to keep the status quo.

Which is exactly why for every person who knows in their heart something is very wrong and needs to be stopped, there will be another person who will fight vigorously (and sometimes violently) to defend the status quo and claim everything is ok. .

Because some people are perfectly content with how things are, from the top executive down to the blue collar worker who gets by evenly enough and just lives.

These people have their (sometimes deluded) sense of stability, so to speak, and they don't want to risk that, so they do everything they can to continue their and their family's or business' security.

They don't see the *bigger* picture, but they want to maintain the status quo...how it's *always* been, just going through the motions of life...

Because everything is ok to them. And they don't want to risk anything.

a reply to: 727Sky

WHAT ?

Are you saying that lobbyist aren't spending billions a year just because they like to waste money?

Are you saying that running a half billion presidential campaign doesn't come with strings?

Are you saying that the DNC and the GOP that control the pool of politicians for the people, are allowing millions in contribution from the same lobbyist to impact their decision?

Are you saying that the MSM that relies heavily on billion dollar advertising campaign and lobbyist money would
allow their representation of the issues and candidates to be slightly altered because of money?



THIS IS SHOCKING!!!

Give us liberty
or give us food stamps.......
riiiight....

a reply to: TrueBrit

I just had to pop in and say that was the most wonderful, sobering, and in my eyes truthful post I have seen in a very long time. And that, my good sir, I thank you for.

Ps. I wish I could give more than 1 measly star

originally posted by: neomaximus10
a reply to: TrueBrit

I just had to pop in and say that was the most wonderful, sobering, and in my eyes truthful post I have seen in a very long time. And that, my good sir, I thank you for.

Ps. I wish I could give more than 1 measly star

Ill second that motion !!

originally posted by: reddragon2015
a reply to: 727Sky

Incorrect: Only a small % of Americans know the election is a sham. The masses will believe what Fox news and the Kardashians tell them.

I wish I could disagree with you, but I can't.

a reply to: 727Sky

Justifying a rigged system because the rules have been around for awhile doesn't make it right. It's clear from the general public's out cry, that the general public were never really informed or given the details on how super delegates can be used to manipulate an election outcome. Justifying this process flies in the face of what the United States Stands for!

In the second interview the reporter asked why bother having primaries? The GOP national committeeman answers, "I don't know," priceless! Oh, oh bad answer. Sounds like he's as bewildered as to why we have primaries as much as the voting public!

It's clear the two political parties want to make it look like the public is selecting the party nominee. There's absolutely no reason why the GOP and the democratic party should have a monopoly on candidate selection.! They have successfully blocked 3rd party candidates from presidential debates. That alone should tell you how they're controlling American elections behind the scenes.

I'm sure the GOP's original candidate hopeful was Jeb Bush, but unfortunately for them, the primaries proved the voting public didn't want another Bush in the White House. So what is it, they throw out several candidate and hope one sticks? If a candidate doesn't meet their expectations or isn't backed by the party establishment they start manipulating delegates behind the scene? In my book, that's called bribing a vote and should be considered illegal in a free and democratic election.

This private party BS is nothing but circumventing a way to stack the decks of a preferred candidate. We only have two parties that control the entire field of candidates! The rules that have been put into place since the 70's should now be scrutinized by the public. There have been bad laws on the books for decades that have been changed because they weren't justified. The rules for deciding a candidate in a democratic election are clearly not justified. In fact the party system should be eliminated altogether, considering they're also corrupted by outside corporate influence.

Our elections are nothing but a farce. This election year will go down in history as exposing America's rigged and manipulated delegate system.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

No leader has ever made a nation great. No business man has dragged a nation up by its boot straps and tooled it for its future. No general has ever won a war, no parliamentarian or political process has ever safeguarded a nations soul.

These things are done in the streets, in the homes, workplaces, in the very living guts of nations. Those who know, those who see most clearly the rot that afflicts the powerless are those who suffer its effects most immediately. They have ever been thus. The most noble amongst a people is often the least able to affect change themselves, and yet knows better than all of the town car surfers, the palm greasers, the laundered and well heeled, what is wrong with his or her country, because they, not those who have security, but those whose only sustenance comes from the paltry liberty that they can muster, are the ones holding the whole thing above their shoulders.

Atlas may shrug, but when he does, the people beneath the tread of his sandals are the ones who carry the greatest burden as a result, not those who have built for themselves an unwisely tall tower from which to scoff at the apparently pathetic efforts of those below.

While it is true that handouts are no way to live, while it is true that communities suffer when their populations feature a high percentage of persons who rely on state aid for their food and energy needs, for everything, it is wise to remember that those on state aid are not, in the main, unemployed. There are those who are working like machines for money which does them no good since it is too little to live on. They are a significant number of those you claim are part of the problem, the drugged, as you call them.

I ask you, who is drugged among you? Is it the man whose reality has been a cycle of three hour rest periods between the four tiring, soul crushing, and poorly paid jobs he has had to get because his wife fell suddenly ill, one of the drugged? Is the family whose home was taken from them by a banking system so corrupt that it swindled itself out of billions upon billions of dollars, among the drugged? Is the eighteen year old girl with the genius IQ, who has no money and no way to get to a GOOD college, working a dead end job to help pay for her siblings food part of this drugged society?

These individuals are not drugged. They are living starkly real, absolutely cold hard facts, every day of their lives.

Those who have wanted for nothing their whole lives, those who have frittered away the GDP of small nation states on partying and foolhardiness, those who have spent more money on their image, than they have ensuring the quality of their compassion, the contents of their hearts and minds, those who have helped bring the weak to their knees, while remaining hidden behind walls of money and paperwork, these people though. These people are surely drugged, are they not? Are they not mid way through a binge, with no intention of purging themselves of anything but the chemicals they can afford to place within their well cared for mortal frames?

Are those who live lives that feed and thrive on the weakness of others, not addicted to their position, to their belief in their entitlement to the lifestyle they are living? Are they not riding a rush, incapable of stopping or even slowing down? Are they, in their blindness and mechanical lack of compassion, not blinkered by their addiction to their situation and station in life?

Is it not they who control the congress by way of payment? Is it not they who purchase favour with those who ought only to listen to the great mass of the people? Is it not they who purchase propaganda machines in order to galvanise the weak against one another, dividing them and further weakening their position? Who is the addict, really?

I will tell you this for nothing. It takes years to become truly addicted to the misery of near slavery. It takes moments to become addicted to power and money. If the defenceless, the moneyless, the powerless are truly addicted to their situation, then they got there because someone wanted them there, and the only people powerful enough to enslave a nation by using MISERY as a drug, are those with enough power to control the media, enough money to buy politicians, enough heartlessness to enact the process at all, and enough wickedness to sell terror, fear, pain, sorrow, and helplessness to otherwise sensible folk.

Yes - excellent post. The drugs we are talking about might be different though. I agree that the very people who hold power are indeed drugged by it - and in that respect they do become slaves to it.

I maintain though that a high percentage of people taking handouts from their govt leads to stagnation and more importantly ever increasing concessions to those that would seek to dominate. The people more wiling to fight are those that still hold some semblance of freedom through paying their way through life, whether they just earn enough or more. They will be the last to passively accept dictatorship, but they will eventually.

a reply to: 727Sky

My best go to of rigged elections is the 2012 Florida RNC when the teleprompter read out the results of an audible vote before the vote was cast. This is how they prevented Ron Paul from getting to the White House.

"The Ayes have it"---

a reply to: TrueBrit

Holy Crap True Brit! You sir are as brilliant as the sun! I salute you and your magnificent rant. I would be honored to have heard such a rant after sharing a few at a local pub. As such is not the case, I am humbled to have known you in this forum none the less.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: 727Sky

If there ever is a day of reckoning or a serious attempt at change this fiasco it is proof like this that will need to be shown to convince the masses, IMO.

Agreed. Yet it seems that the popular vote was ignored in favor of a moronic son of a facist in 2000, so I hold out little hope. But as you say, I will vote in the off chance that this time people will 'get it' in sufficient numbers to make a difference.

Popular vote itself aside - let's not also forget media and other manipulations of public perception/opinion/exposure to the candidates LEADING TO MANIPULATION of the popular vote, before any voting/tallying shenanigans even begin.. The Howard Dean scream was a non-issue that derailed an amazing grassroots campaign (some personal examples of the same sort of media abuse that pull my formerly optimistic heartstrings to this day below):




All I can say is God help us all. The failure of the media (requested by Kennedy to the press in '61, I believe) is resulting in the failure of the American people's ability to handle any crisis our country faces as warned by Abraham Lincoln.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: bandersnatch
Hopefully the American people will revolt against this oligarchic tyranny.....
How they can accomplish that remains to be seen, BUT THEY ARE MAD AS HELL AND WONT TAKE MUCH MORE OF THIS KIND OF POLITICS....

If I were a member of the American Elite right now id be getting somewhat fearful of the November election results....
If there are no free and fair elections this time around I expect CIVIL WAR to break out....
And barring that , I certainly expect the public to simply ignore the bull# from on high, and begin to live their lives
in spite of federal orders or laws.....

You cant smear the constitution with the kind of offal that the Feds have been spreading on it forever with no repercussions....
There really is a rifle behind every blade of grass and the feds better get the message before something really bad happens..
The tree of liberty will be sustained...

Americans won't revolt.

They (we) are too complacent.

Yep. The voters are enablers and far too many are convinced they are 'wasting' their vote if they don't vote for one of the two parties.

But, the truth is they are wasting their votes ON the two parties.

Up is down.

the game has always been rigged, but thanks to the internet, mass information overload and this election cycle having candidates that aren't part of the elite.. its openly being talked about and the light being put on the fraudulent system.

I was watching the debates between Bush Snr and Clinton the other day and was amazed that.. nearly word for word they are talking about the exact same issues/resolutions that we are talking about today. nearly 25yrs later.

a reply to: 727Sky

I can see Hillary coming from miles away
the same way I saw Obama four years in advance.
I'm not even toot'n my own horn when I say it. It's
like common knowledge.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: 727Sky

I can see Hillary coming from miles away
the same way I saw Obama four years in advance.

I see Bernie coming in the same way I saw Obama get elected in advance.

Hillary will deliver Bernie, just like she did Obama.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Remember how they (Clinton and Obama) disappeared eight years ago, before they
selected Obama? Clinton was told to wait her turn. She's been on deck
this whole time. But I hope you're right and I don't have it all figured out
after all. All the controversy swirling around her? The normal thing for her to do
would be to drop out. Unless it was in the bag?

americans have never elected their president

the electors do

I used to think that was an arrogant abuse of power and very condescending

until trump won Iowa, lol

a reply to: randyvs

No way is the DNC banking on Hillary to win it all, in November, with a *supposedly* unpredictable email scandal always dominating the headlines.

It's not unpredictable. It exists for Bernie's benefit alone.

Congress is anxious to award government contracts that benefit 'The Establishment' with Bernie's $18 trillion plan for America.

a reply to: 727Sky

This should be common knowledge to ALL Americans in 2016. Common sense really needs to make a comeback.