Asking the right questions

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Maybe. They appear to be "all seeing", but they are operated by humans.

If there's a malfunction in a remote area and you happen to walk by, you may catch them with their pants down.

No doubt they have the capability to travel under water, but as to being a Navy project? Not so sure. While they maybe originally been a Navy project, I'm of the belief that they've since migrated apart and now manage their own operations somewhat autonomously. They still would have strong Navy ties, but I get the impression that few actual Navy personnel would know of their existence or operations.

The odd Navy guy might spot a strange blip here, or have orders to do something strange or odd that has no apparent rhyme or reason -- but beyond that? Nah.

Also if you are underwater in a submarine, it's not as easy as looking out a window to see what you're escorting around. For all we know, these things might be able to re-direct active sonar around themselves and be invisible to our boomers under water.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

You know that I disagree 100% that humans or human technology are involved.

I don't want to get a knock on my door so I will leave it at that.

Kev

Duplicate.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Maybe not "humans" as we commonly know, or think of them in some way, form, or....what have you..?

But if what you imply is correct, then humans are involved somehow -- I mean, what would ghosts, spirits, or whathaveyou need to "knock on doors"

My question is...

Why would non-corporeal entities that can exist in a higher dimensional state need to make use of a very conventional method of transportation? Why fly around in a craft that exhibits exotic, but not "magical" abilities? Even we can theorize HOW this craft would work, and we can even speculate what it is made of -- it's not beyond the realm of possibility for it to exist in our reality...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

In my view most "real" "UAPs" are living beings, some of which have the ability to "solidify" by manipulating the Higgs Boson.

They can also form larger "objects" by swarming with others of their species (Read "encounters with star people").

Do some of these tricksters play games with some insiders?

Sure.

There are 2 other cases I discuss sometimes, but to keep it simple that's the big picture.

Kev

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Why would non-corporeal entities that can exist in a higher dimensional state need to make use of a very conventional method of transportation? Why fly around in a craft that exhibits exotic, but not "magical" abilities? Even we can theorize HOW this craft would work, and we can even speculate what it is made of -- it's not beyond the realm of possibility for it to exist in our reality...

That's a really good question. A quick, valid and confusing reply would be - because supposedly we're talking about a trickster element here. That's the form they choose to take. They might not be limited to just the feats that people have seen or the forms that we've seen. It's an answer that I hate, because if that's the case, then we'll never know for sure the so-called truth, if there's solid such at all. However, such an answer also begs for another question, again, a good one - what's the point. Well, if it's about appearance in front of humans, it's the sheer interaction with them that might be the reason why they chose to appear exactly as they do. The fact that we include interaction, tells a lot about the general why. For all we know, if that's not the full capability or real face, we're lost in terms of finding the truth because inter-dimensional, ET, AI from the future or humans from the future, breakaway civilization, god, the matrix, hyper intelligent octopus, etc. are all just as valid.

That's in regards to the trickster form. If we go for the NAVY/autonomous semi-private, semi-military explanation of UFOs and stick with modern-day cases, then it's a totally different story. But one, just as valid.

I think KPB stands from a very interesting viewpoint as well. Kudos, both of you!

a reply to: ch1n1t0

I'm always interested in hearing novel theories, even ones about nuts and bolts craft.

If we don't go extinct, I think that WE will be the ones sending out bracewell probes across the entire galaxy...and we will find many world's where intelligent life once existed before eradicating itself or being terminated.

As for not liking the trickster theory -- I hear you.

How my own BTUFO encounter turned out really annoyed the hell out of me.

It was undeniable proof (to me) which divulged very little actual actual information.

Can't win for losing.

But I think it's possible to extract more information.

Been thinking about it.

Kev

I get the impression that the military industrial complex contractors like Raython, Northrop, Boeing ect are annoyed that they don't have the ability to make these things...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Are we sure about that - them not being capable? Raython is a name I haven't researched, I'll admit, but we've heard of rumors about Northrop and Boeing. Also, Skunkworks. How do you tell they're annoyed they can't make these?

originally posted by: ch1n1t0
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Are we sure about that - them not being capable? Raython is a name I haven't researched, I'll admit, but we've heard of rumors about Northrop and Boeing. Also, Skunkworks. How do you tell they're annoyed they can't make these?

If you haven't kept up on your reading, there are a few ATS members who feel they are specially chosen by a secret breakaway civilization of humans who have tech far in excess of the military industrial complex.

Kev

a reply to: ch1n1t0

Terminology, perception and a splash of ego.... are the main barriers to getting a glimpse of the truth!

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: ch1n1t0
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Are we sure about that - them not being capable? Raython is a name I haven't researched, I'll admit, but we've heard of rumors about Northrop and Boeing. Also, Skunkworks. How do you tell they're annoyed they can't make these?

If you haven't kept up on your reading, there are a few ATS members who feel they are specially chosen by a secret breakaway civilization of humans who have tech far in excess of the military industrial complex.

Kev

Which would make the military contractors none the happier!

originally posted by: ch1n1t0
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Are we sure about that - them not being capable? Raython is a name I haven't researched, I'll admit, but we've heard of rumors about Northrop and Boeing. Also, Skunkworks. How do you tell they're annoyed they can't make these?

Raytheon has been doing a lot of work with radar-type technologies as of late for the military (among other things). They've got offices all over from their HQ in MA to Cali (applied signal tech division near SanFran).

It would be frustrating if you weren't making these triangles.... and even your super top secret next-gen radar systems can't track em' reliably.

a reply to: ch1n1t0
Are we asking the right questions? That in itself is an ideal place to start but isn't it that whatever answers we might find it will only lead to more questions? Will the right questions lead us to the right answers or will it lead us to even more perplexing questions? Why is it that in some cases people who asked the wrong questions end up being ridiculed or even dead? Did they really asked the wrong questions or gave the right answers?

How do we even know if we're asking the right questions?

It's like the metaphorical race between the tortoise and the hare, at the end of the race is a rabbit hole. Will the tortoise ever finish the race and have the chance to take a peek at the mouth of the hole? Will the tortoise take the plunge and survive the fall however deep hole is? Is it even worth finishing the race or taking a peek at the hole or taking the plunge? Will it all be worth it whatever the consequences are? What's the point of participating in the race anyway and why make a stupid metaphor in the first place and try to explain it?

How do we separate the chaff from the grains? Maybe if we want to see the big picture we have to look at it in its entirety, to include everything and not dismiss anything. There was this line in a movie that I watched recently that made me stop and ponder- "Exclusion is a form of violence." Did the ancients figure it all out thousands of years ago that everything is interconnected and that we are all one? Do we only like to see the big picture, why not the whole picture even if it means asking more questions about our past all the way to the inception of the universe where in?

Why is it that the most profound questions in life tend to be the simple ones?

I'm just asking questions and I'm not even sure if its the right ones... and yeah, I might have a questionable taste when it comes to choosing what movies to watch.

a reply to: ch1n1t0

I tip my hat to you sir. Have you heard of Corey Goode? spherebeingalliance.com... is his website if not. (am i breaking rules here?) It is damn entertaining, and i certainly do not subscribe to everything this guy says. BUT some of the things he talks about do resonate with me. The reason i mention Corey specifically is I have been pondering about the information he provides and how much of it is complete BS, which parts are true, Which parts are half BS and half truth, and if ANY of it is true than WHAT IS THE TRUE MOTIVE for this being out there? Because as we all know it is quite dangerous to speak out against the Gov while being in the public eye and keep on living. Which makes me one suspicious sourcerer!!!

a reply to: ch1n1t0

I just thought that I'd mention that the very famous colares Brazil UFO flap had people observing "UFOs" arising from the sea, some of which were btufos as well...plus many other UFO shapes.

I find it compelling the ridiculous diversity of shapes...I think that a few (or one base shape) with the capability to change shape or appearance is potentially much more probable, especially given my own experience.

I mention this incident because of btufo, many appearances and may originate under the ocean.

And somebody deleted the Wikipedia page.... Very unusual.

ufo-blogg.blogspot.com...

"The burns on the victims' skin were almost always on the neck and the breast, with two small and parallel holes, as if it was a little bite, but it wasn't" vampires come to mind..... the details intrigue me most.

a reply to: TheKestrel04

Thanks for linking to a detailed article on the Colares incidents, Kev. Also, Kestrel, the hammer met the nail! Quite a provocative observation. And apologies for being afk, I've got a few things to include below.

Most of you should be aware of the way BlackOps are generally performed. They usually choose clear nights, with no Moon, distant area, middle of the week. I really am bad at linking. I know how, I just don't remember the particular thread where I saw this but as far as I do remember, it was a particular leaked set of files (not many) which were either one or a few PowerPoint presentation on social engineering. These details were all included there. If someone recalls the thread, please, pop a link at us, I'd very much like to reread some stuff, and I failed getting it found with ATS's search.

On top of that, it was exactly the days for the Summer meteor showers in August. So if someone came forward on the news about it, they would be easily dismissed by stating "meteors".

So we might have seen military craft (which is not to say that all UFOs are military craft). But to go one step further towards the fringe - PIC.

LINK

The window shapes on this monument are identical to the shape of the red ring of lights on the second physical object from our sighting. The pale red glow that came from these was perfectly explained in Mr.Mask's thread:

Not really lights but a glowing sort of thing around the perimeter of the underneath portion of the object. Marti, do you remember that? We described it to my Dad like a burner on an electric stove when it starts to get hot.

OK, how about this. People believe the so-called Singularity is near and probably coming in about 50 years if the predictions turn out correct. Now, what seems to be about 50 years ahead of what we have now? Hm. Not that far-fetched, imo. And it's weird, cause it's not humans from 2435 but 2050. Our children, or even we, ourselves. That would be wild. Just thinking out loud.

a reply to: ch1n1t0

I 100% agree that there are black ops psy ops, to ensure that everyone keeps
believing in nuts and bolts UFOs and aliens, especially "grey aliens".

The question always is... how do we separate black op fakery from any
"real" high strangness, if any? That's always the question. I do have some
answers to that by the way.

But the real question, that I wish the entire "UFO" (dupes) community should
focus upon, in my opinion, is:

Why is the government/letter agencies/military industrial complex/whomever
SO DESPERATE to get everyone to believe in "UFOs" and "aliens"?

Now, I know mirageman likes to say that "UFOs" are on the decline, and that
it was all cold-war and post-cold war related motivations.

And I can buy that partially (the cold-war and post-cold-war part)

But I'd say that the fakery is escalating not declining..

"UFOs and aliens" are being pounded into our social fabric and perhaps even
our DNA. And it's all crap.

(UAPs are real .. but that's something completely different).

Now my answer is that UFOs and aliens are pounded into us to cover up
the uncomfortable "UAP situation".

But that's not a full answer..

So why?

Kev

I think it is more like a stargate ,men in black, x files scenario and I personally believe human society isn't quite suited to handle extra-planetary travel. It exposes us to a host of problems and regulatory issues the closest I can sight to this is drones and air travel currently. So far the world is holding it self together ....