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Stop Blaming Capitalism

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posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 02:20 AM
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This thread is a blanket response to all of the people blaming capitalism, mostly coming out of the minds of Bernie supporters, for all of the woes in the United States. The Occupy Wall Street people had the same theme, capitalism is the root of all evil. Now we hear Bernie supporters lavishing over how great socialism is. "Just look at what capitalism has done!!!" The thing is, we do not live under a capitalist system. True capitalism died many years ago. The real problem is the relationship between our Government, elected and appointed, and the corporations and entities that are the major power players in the USA. Some people call this "crony capitalism" others call it an "oligarchy". It goes by many different names, but the official term is "revolving door politics." Check this link out and you can see very clearly what the real problem is, and it definitely is not capitalism.Revolving Door Politics

Before I continue, I need to be very clear to all of you, especially Bernie fans, government is NOT your friend. They do not serve you. They do nothing for you. They have no interest in your well being or "protecting you." Every government entity is designed to serve the corporate government machine. Every law written is strictly to serve the interest of the machine.There are so many laws on the books that the actual number of laws is IMPOSSIBLE to determine. Every government employee, knowingly or unknowingly serves this machine. Every government program is designed to help the machine.

Let's take a quick look at a few government projects, and let's see who it benefits:
Obamacare/ACA: Forced insurance purchases, designed to line the pockets of the insurance companies. The people lose and end up paying more.
US Military: The international enforcement wing of the machine. They do not protect the people of the United States, in fact, they make us less safe.
Law enforcement/police: The national enforcement wing of the machine. Designed to protect the state from the citizens. Again, they do not work for us.
NSA: Spying on US citizens. Used against us to protect the state. Do not serve the public.
Welfare: A tool used to keep the poor weak, and another excuse to steal people's money, and weaken the middle class.

The list goes on. There is not a single law,service,program, etc. that is designed for the sole purpose of serving or helping the average citizen. There is ALWAYS an ulterior motive. ALWAYS.

Our government is owned and operated by the same people, and it isn't us. Capitalism did not create this machine. When we have massive amounts of people revolving between ultra high ranking public and private sector positions, the motives become clear. When we have lobbyists showering these same people with truck loads of money, the motive becomes clearer. I suggest that all of you watch this film to learn more about lobbying. It will make you fill your drawers.
The Best Government Money Can Buy

The problem is not capitalism. The problem is that we the people, have allowed the government to run out of control, serving the corporate masters behind the scenes, and even in plain sight. One thing that Bernie supporters understand, is that the system is broken, but they are blaming the wrong system.

Here is the question I have for all of you that believe that socialism is the way to go. Is the solution to an out of control, wasteful, dangerously massive government, to give this same system even more control and money?

Think about this critically before you slap answers out here. Think of the bigger picture. What has government done for you lately? What has it done for the world?




posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 02:31 AM
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The nature of a universal currency and how our market works is the unequal distribution of estate.
The consequence of this is an uneven amount of property and might.
Therefore capitalism and money is the root of all evil.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 02:37 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian

I agree with your comment that the end of the day it it we the people who own the country and that we should have done more to keep it owned and controlled by we the people.

However, we should not forget the elite are a very powerful adversary and through the use of laws, use of their corruptive power, the money etc, we are at a serious disadvantage and cannot really be expected to be united, focused, agreed on a strategy and a short list of objectives.
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posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 03:10 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian

Capitalism reached its peak and failed in 2008. We the people, paid their ransom so we would not starve, all of us anyway. Because the capitalists control the food, housing, medical, jobs, pretty much life.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 03:23 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

No, currently we cannot. People are too busy watching TV and arguing over which of the political parties will rule over us for the next 4-8 years. Like I mention in my post, people are angry at the wrong things. We outnumber them, so they use distraction tactics and mind controlling propaganda to allow us to be willing slaves. But hey Bernie/Trump/Hillary care about us and will make it all go away.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 03:25 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

You mean the government yet again stole our money to bailout their buddies? We paid no ransom, we were robbed. That isn't capitalism.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 03:27 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian

They didn't steal. They called George Bush and asked.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 03:33 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian

People that can't contribute to society in a meaningful way or that don't have the necessities to take care of themselves will always blame Capitalism for their own failures. The only society that makes sense to them is where a government takes care of them with social programs.

These are sick, weak individuals with no sense self-esteem or confidence.

Remember a FREE society isn't equal and an equal society isn't free.
edit on 2016/4/10 by Metallicus because: Readability Update



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian




Is the solution to an out of control, wasteful, dangerously massive government, to give this same system even more control and money?


Depends where the money goes...If I knew for certain that my tax money was going to help those in need I wouldn't have any concerns with the welfare programs. Although,from what I know of the U.S governments current and past dealings I don't think more socialist policies is entirely the answer. As we don't know for sure where all that money is going.. Overall my answer is no but I fear we are at the point of no return.

However what is the alternative solution?
When ever I see these types of threads I read a lot of complaining and a lack of realistic,substantive solutions.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: NateTheAnimator

I don't think any system will work til humans change. Each person from the highest office to lower stratums must choose to do no harm. I think we are eons away from that.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 04:45 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian

Capitalism is designed to keep the rich rich and the poor poor , when Capitalism stops being the cause of most of the ills of this world then I will stop blaming it , along with all the other isms
Capitalism like Communism is all well and good on paper but add in people to the equation and the corruption begins and the ism fails.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 06:26 AM
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a reply to: gortex

Wrong.

Capitalism is designed to reward ingenuity and entrepreneurship.

Corporatism is the problem.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I will disagree with you to a certain extent. The one who truly cannot do deserve to have some help and support in a compassionate society. They are unable to contribute to the fullest extent through no fault of their own, and yet, you will find that often they contribute to the fullest measure they are able without complaint and are proud to do so.

The ones you are talking about are the ones who are able bodied and able minded but are hampered by mostly poor choices they have made at some point in their lives or they are saddled by envy and think they are entitled to a fuller measure than they receive simply because they breathe. No one owes them anything.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: NateTheAnimator

See? I differ from you in that I don't believe my tax dollars going to welfare are going to help those in need, not in a way that truly helps them. I feel like I am only subsidizing them in their bad situation which is fine if their situation is one that cannot ever change. If my dollars were actually helping them, then we'd have less generational poverty than we do.

What excuse is there for there to be children who grow up on welfare to go straight to welfare themselves? You can't tell me that people who are incapable of taking care of themselves exclusively have children who are incapable of the same, and yet this is the situation that has been created, sometimes into the second and third generation.

Perhaps my definition of "help" is different than yours, but in my mind, if welfare actually helped, those kids who should have all the world before them would not simply be growing up to collect welfare.


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posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 07:00 AM
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Capitalism would be nice, but the system we currently have is no longer Capitalism.


Just as Communism would have been nice, but what we've had in the real world wasn't actually Communism.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 07:07 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
Capitalism would be nice, but the system we currently have is no longer Capitalism.


Just as Communism would have been nice, but what we've had in the real world wasn't actually Communism.


And when you weigh the two systems to try to decide which would be better for human beings, you have to also take human nature into account. The full measure of it.

Thanks to basic human nature, communism, which looks all kinds of pretty on paper, is highly unlikely to ever work the way it is intended. Human nature would have to radically change first.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 08:18 AM
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If all people were of good will, it wouldn't matter what 'system' was used. it could be made to work.

Having said that, we don't have that and we won't for the foreseeable future. As the OP implies and needs to be stated is freedom cannot be omitted from the system being used.

In the current situation, that freedom has been abused as articulated by the OP. Break the system....or tweak it? I suggest the tweak as there is empirical proof the system, allowing for our human weaknesses, has an unmatched degree of workability.

The 'fix' is simplicity, itself. The corporations worship at the alter of profit....and likely, they should. Alter their profits margins and they alter their operating basis. Tax/penalize based on actions they take. Not merely because they are 'corporations'.

There are no viable replacements for corporations. There are no viable replacements for governments.

I humbly suggest the best person to tweak it is a capitalist. One who knows and has used those weaknesses.......


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P.S. Socialism is demanded to the degree that capitalism 'breaks down' or rather goes out of 'balance'. Restore that balance....or even improve on it's high-water mark.
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posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian




This thread is a blanket response to all of the people blaming capitalism, mostly coming out of the minds of Bernie supporters, for all of the woes in the United States. The Occupy Wall Street people had the same theme, capitalism is the root of all evil. Now we hear Bernie supporters lavishing over how great socialism is. "Just look at what capitalism has done!!!"


Socialism, as a political system, can also be a free-market economy. Socialism does not mean that all property/estate is "owned" by the government. It means property/estate is "owned" by the people of a certain nation/country, who live in that particular country, are citizens, and therefore have the right to own the land. And only them, the citizens have the right to own property/estate, and not those who bought some land or some realestate for the sake of making profit with it and then transfering that profit to places nobody knows where it realy goes.

THAT is the problem.




The thing is, we do not live under a capitalist system. True capitalism died many years ago.


No! Wrong! Capitalism is as strong as ever and should be exposed as what it is: The cause and the source of un-justice and war.




The real problem is the relationship between our Government, elected and appointed, and the corporations and entities that are the major power players in the USA. Some people call this "crony capitalism" others call it an "oligarchy". It goes by many different names, but the official term is "revolving door politics." Check this link out and you can see very clearly what the real problem is, and it definitely is not capitalism.Revolving Door Politics


The real problem is lying about what capitalism is all about and comming up with justifications for it.

And we all know by now that those who define terms the wrong way, are the ones who twist language for the sake of controlling the thinking-capacity of the people. Since when is there an "offical" definition of what capitalism is and what it is not? We're in the process of figuring it out.

I'm not a marxist or socialist, but Karl Marx' analysis of how and why so called capital accumulates the way it does, was pretty accurat in the 19th century and still is now. I don't think his solution for that is the right way for our currant problems. But his analysis is still valid. And that is why his work is still considered as dangerous for the state of affairs by the capitalists. And I guess you know that.




Before I continue, I need to be very clear to all of you, especially Bernie fans, government is NOT your friend. They do not serve you. They do nothing for you. They have no interest in your well being or "protecting you."


I don't think any reasonable person thinks that anyway, that "the government" is protecting anybody. But to completely deny its validity is also not doing the job. Some kind of organizing entity must be there to manage the social and economical affairs, right?

What you are saying here is like saying, "no-no-no! It's not the the capitalistic economical system! It's the evil government and the corrupt people in it only!" And although that is part of the problem, capitalism is the one and only CAUSE for that.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian

The form of a political or economic system matters less than the quality of the people implementing it. If honest, honorable people implemented a dictatorship, it would work just fine. We in the US are seeing right now what can happen under a capitalist system when the people implementing it are dishonest, dishonorable crap.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: Winstonian

Capitalism embodies individuality and individual responsibility.

Market needs, a persons ability to meet those market needs, is what determines success in capitalism.

Anything else sets an artificial standard that can only be met with government interference.




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