Originally posted by Meteor_of_War
sdrumrunner, have you ever heard the saying "i'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees"?
In a sense, some might say we Americans are "living on our knees", at the mercy of the government and the government's media. In some other
countries, people may not have it as good but at least they have their dignity. I just dont feel that way as an American lately, possibly because of
how badly we're represented by the Bush adminstration with it's lies and deceit. Also i dont believe in this secrecy B.S. In a democracy the
government should work for the people, not keep secrets from them and say it's because of "national security".
MoW -- speak for yourself when stating you "live on your knees." I sure as hell don't.
Listen people -- there will always be problems to fix -- and there is no reason we as citizens of this country should not explore every menas availble
our great nation. After all, the improvement cycle, at least in theory, should never end.
However, this inclination to "tear it down so we can put it back up" is about as dysfunctional as my wife's occassional urge to empty our her
entire freakin' closet just so she can cram all her s%!t back in. Sure, maybe a couple shoes look a bit purty now on their own special little shelf.
But is it worth wasting the whole freakin' day? Hardly...
Again, am I correct in my assumption you have never travelled (at least extensively) outside our own borders? I am not in any way trying to insult you
here. However, I, for one, have
experienced life outside our borders... and I beg to differ with the assertion that we can simply say, "at
least they have their dignity."
When a man sells
his young daughter for money
to a pimp who caters to foreign tourists, or the wealithy elite in his own country, I have
a hard time finding the dignity
in that situation...
In China, dissidents are picked up and taken to re-education camps. Are they are still rumored to do in Vietnam. Where's the dignity in that?
In India corruption is so rampant (far worse than here) that I would be supised if they did not
offer courses in corruption at the college
level. For every $1 that is allocated to a public works project, by the time every pocket is stuffed, maybe
$.10 makes it to its intended
Off yesterday's NY Times wire: "The Saudi govt. this morning... sentanced 15 demonstrators to public flogging and prison terms for demonstrating
against the government.
This having been said, you're preaching to the choir when you state that our government should work for
This having been said, I also believe it is necessary
for a government to keep certain secrets from its people when it is
a matter of
national security. That, my peeps, is how you keep the nation secure
Now -- when will our government come clean about UFOs?
Personally, I believe when it is known (in the public eye) beyond a shadow of a doubt that another nation possesses new technologies that our govt.
belive to be reverse-engineered from extraterrestial craft. Right now, one might presume that we hold the monopoly on working, ET-based technology.
However, all it takes is one UFO from the PRC, and our govt. would have to stay ahead of the curve, and in all likelihood, demonstrate to its
constituents that we, too, have such craft...
How ironic would it be that the disclosure of the subject itself be justified in the name of national security, after using the very same reason all
these years to keep it from the public!
For now, the Disclosure Project is
in full swing, and there is nothing keeping each and every one of us from signing the petition, from writing
letters to our congressman (yes, this works), etc.
However, we need also be realistic as to why it is still kept secret -- if our govt. we're to come forward and say, "look, we have this technology,
et al," there would be enormous
pressure from the international community to share these technologies for the betterment of humanity. Of
course, if we were to do that, then we risk rogue nations / undesirables getting their hands on such technologies, which would allow them carte blanch
access to the very nation we are looking to protect and defend. That, my peeps, is one hell of a barrier to overcome... and one that I'm
not 100% sure we -- as a society, as a culture -- are quite ready for.
Nonetheless, I did in fact buy Greer's book (got a pre-publication rush editition!), as the wealth of testimonials is immense. I have, in turn, used
this information to help family & friends come to terms with the subject. After all, there is one other possible avenue for full disclosure that has
nothing to do with our govt. whatsoever, and IMHO "they" aren't going to disclose themselves until we
are good and ready.
[edit on 13-1-2005 by sdrumrunner]