This is what happens when you have marxist socialist central planning.

a reply to: ketsuko

This was the title of the thread:-

" This is what happens when you have marxist socialist central planning "

I pointed out that this was not always the case. i.e China.

Are you with me now ?

a reply to: alldaylong

And I pointed out to you why what you think about China is not necessarily true. There are plenty of places in China that are still plenty third world.

That's when you backpedaled and accused it on China's communism.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

The moment I saw Jeff berwick in this video I had to stop...

I don't trust anything with this guy involved since he's been churning out false predictions of an economic collapse since September...He's a bit of a nut.

Don't believe me?

Here's his youtube channel.

Funny how everyone can agree that the American government is corrupt.
Even funnier is how people somehow assume the government will magically get less corrupt under socialism. Venezuela is a perfect example of what happens when you take an already corrupt government and give it more power under socialism.

a reply to: ketsuko

There are plenty of places in China that are still plenty third world.

And as i pointed out in the vid i posted earlier, there are also " Third world " areas of The U.S.

Here is another

a reply to: enlightenedservant

That's right. Let's be fair.

Venezuela donated that heating oil during the height of the oil boom when most of us were paying top dollar for gas. This is also when Chavez was busy buying his popularity with the money from that same oil.

As for Cuba, Cuba is and pretty much always has been trading freely and openly with most of the rest of the world. I fail to see how one nation NOT trading with Cuba causes that much of an issue for it, especially given that we don't make anything in the US anymore. People from Europe, Mexico, Canada, and all over the rest of the world have been visiting Cuba and trading with it.

North Korea is in a similar situation although it has made itself far more odious to the world. However, since someone else on here thinks China is awesome and awesomely wealthy too. China could keep North Korea in fine fettle if it wanted to whatever the US says about it. That they choose not to says more about North Korea as a neighbor and all around good global citizen than anything else.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ketsuko

Pardon my ignorance but where we not talking Political Systems ?

China is a Communist State is it not? Unless you know something i don't.

You're pardoned...
Here

hardly marxist and barely socialist, they sold off the oil under chavez which, is against every principle of socialism.
try harder.

a reply to: alldaylong

And what kind of policies in those cities led to those third world areas? Trade unions ... social welfare (redistributionist) policies at the local level ... all lead to collapse. Thankfully for most of us (tragically for Detroit), our system of governance allows us to flirt with these things at state and local levels which minimizes the damage they can do.

But instead of learning from this, people think imposing the same style of governance at a national level will fix it.

a reply to: alldaylong

Does the Chinese government believe in any human rights?
Censorship of personal expression?
Censorship of internet.
Government restricting how many children you can have.
What about the mobile execution vans with organ harvesting included?
What about humane work standards?
Freedom of religious expression?
What percentage of their population is dirt poor?

Maybe someday the Chinese people can have real capitalism,limited government, and real representation.

originally posted by: stinkelbaum
hardly marxist and barely socialist, they sold off the oil under chavez which, is against every principle of socialism.
try harder.

The oil company is nationalized under Chavez. The state owns and operates the means of production and distributes the wealth for the greater good. Looks pretty socialist to me.

a reply to: ketsuko

Like always, I can't take you seriously. You really think the US's embargo against Cuba had nothing to do with its poverty? LOL

And yeah, Chavez donated that free heating oil for 8 full years to hundreds of thousands of poor American families. Let that sink in for a second... Oh yeah, I forgot; you don't actually care about America's poor families. So of course you'd complain about it.

Anyway, Chavez did this while he was using billions of dollars of Venezuela's oil revenues to decrease poverty. It's funny how you consider using government revenues to help his country's poorest citizens to be "buying his popularity".

And I notice you completely sidestepped my point that decades of sanctions are what caused North Korea's economy to suck. But then again, I'm not surprised by that either.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ketsuko

There are plenty of places in China that are still plenty third world.

And as i pointed out in the vid i posted earlier, there are also " Third world " areas of The U.S.

Here is another

The leftists nearly destroyed Detroit.

It's really sad.

a reply to: ketsuko

Marxist socialist, yes.

Under Democratic Socialism the people themselves own the means of production.

A clear distinction -- if completely unworkable in actuality -- under our current regime (where the means of production are owned by something far worse -- Oligarchs. See also, Nestle).

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: ketsuko

Like always, I can't take you seriously. You really think the US's embargo against Cuba had nothing to do with its poverty? LOL


And yeah, Chavez donated that free heating oil for 8 full years hundreds of thousands of poor American families. Let that sink in for a second... Oh yeah, I forgot; you don't actually care about America's poor families. So of course you'd complain about it.

Anyway, Chavez did this while he was using billions of dollars of Venezuela's oil revenues to decrease poverty. It's funny how you consider using government revenues to help his country's poorest citizens to be "buying his popularity".

And I notice you completely sidestepped my point that decades of sanctions are what caused North Korea's economy to suck. But then again, I'm not surprised by that either.

What about Chavez's government stealing(nationalizing) businesses from people?

What about the hyper inflation effecting the people of Venezuela.

Like always, I can't take you seriously. You really think the US's embargo against Cuba had nothing to do with its poverty? LOL

Well, I don't blame you. It's obvious from your reply that you aren't actually talking to me, but the strawman of me you've created. Much easier to tilt at that windmill than to engage the actual person.

And yeah, Chavez donated that free heating oil for 8 full years hundreds of thousands of poor American families. Let that sink in for a second... Oh yeah, I forgot; you don't actually care about America's poor families. So of course you'd complain about it.

I did, and did you know that Chavez's daughter is Venezuela's richest women with $4.2billion in assets? Let that sink for a moment. I am guessing she inherited a goodly bit of that. I guess owning the Venezuelan oil supply makes a good sideline. I wonder if everyone else in Venezuela is also similarly wealthy from its oil?

I forget. Chavez had good intentions, so that's all that really matters to you.

Anyway, Chavez did this while he was using billions of dollars of Venezuela's oil revenues to decrease poverty. It's funny how you consider using government revenues to help his country's poorest citizens to be "buying his popularity".

Hmmm, wonder why all that $4.2billion is held in American and Andorran banks? Maybe so it doesn't have to be taxed and/or shared with the poor Venezuelans?

And I notice you completely sidestepped my point that decades of sanctions are what caused North Korea's economy to suck. But then again, I'm not surprised by that either.

It's so much fun to tilt at windmills ...

Again, if the sanctions were being slapped on a country that the rest of the world thought didn't deserve it, the rest of the world would do what they do with Cuba - IGNORE IT. That they don't should tell you something. Heck, China does everything they can these days to stick it to us, and THEY just slapped new sanctions of their own on North Korea.

It seems to me this indicates that North Korea's problems are its own creation and not ours.

a reply to: makemap

America is just like this, 

Could have fooled me.
I went to the grocery store this morning and saw full shelves. I went unarmed, without any bodyguards and I was not shot, stabbed or kidnapped.

Just like Venezuela!

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: makemap

America is just like this, 

Could have fooled me.
I went to the grocery store this morning and saw full shelves. I went unarmed, without any bodyguards and I was not shot, stabbed or kidnapped.

Just like Venezuela!

You know ... you're right. We were at the grocery store in our area too.

Bought yellow and orange peppers, asparagus, snap peas, mushrooms, and soy sauce because ours was low. Had no trouble finding anything, had an abundance of choices for everything. No one was in a panic that the store was going to sell out of stuff ... Nice trip.

originally posted by: onequestion
Really good spin.

Amazing piece of propaganda.

Now go to Switzerland and Norway and make a video and let's take a look at that.

Yeah...Except they've actually come back a little to adopt capitalism in some areas.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ketsuko

but which type of society has more people who prosper and better prospects for overall prosperity?

Ask Communist China. I think you maybe surprised.

And you might be surprised that China went a little capitalist, otherwise theyd have gone the way of the Soviet Union long ago. The more you know..