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Heart murmurs and left axis deviation, Is there a link?

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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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Hello all! So my topic of discussion is obbiously the title of the thread. I found out this morning that my 4 year old son Dominic has left axis deviation. Now I am only semi-smart in this subject of matter, who am I kidding I don't know crap about this. But what I do know is in most cases it is not severe. What I also found out is that he does suffer from a heart murmur, and when I try to link the two together I find no information on the internet whatsoever. However, the reason I'm trying to see if these two are linked is because on this one site i stumbled upon at www.m.webmd.com... states that mitral valve prolapse, or Mitral valve or aortic stenosis can be a cause of this condition. That being said, your mitral and aortic valves are on the left side of your heart which is why I bring up my question does left axis deviation cause heart murmurs or is it caused by them. Maybe this information will help me better understand his diagnosis which when it comes to the circulatory system, it is a science that I know little to nothing about ( I'm an Aries and I hate to admit that haha). Can any medical buffs for doctors on this site give me a little insight to this information? It would be much appreciated because like I said I've tried searching for this information all morning and come up with zilch. I know there is no such thing as an overprotective father but I know how some people in the medical field can negate information when it comes to something important depending on the topic, however I don't feel this is conspiracy like fluoride or cancer medicine so feel free to help me out! Thanks everybody




posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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You should have your Son's Doctor explain things so that you can understand clearly what you are dealing with. No Question is a stupid question. I am sure he or she will be more than happy to explain it to you better.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: Night Star

Thanks and yes i realize that, my issue is im not with my sons mother so i didnt even know about his trip to the hospital until after it was already over, and unfortunately when it comes to her things that entail big words is like talking japaneese to an ostrich, so she told me to call doc that was on call at hospital, and when i called his office, they told me to call my sons pediatrician which is available like twice a week on average... maybe less than that.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: Scamzarilla


Oh I see. Well I hope you get the answers you need soon.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: Scamzarilla

Hey Scamzarilla - I know nothing about this but did find some info that might help. I looked up Medical Search Engines and there are such things! Is your son a "cyanotic child"? From what I've read I"m thinking your son has issues with oxygen and this relates to how the blood is circulating which feeds into heart murmur and the left axis deviation.

I don't know if this is all off base but it might be of help. I'll just attach what I found. Usually what I find helps is putting in each simple term, writing it down and then when done you start to get the picture and then get a feel for where you might look elsewhere for more details. I will pray for your son. Take care


A person with an innocent murmur has a normal heart. This type of heart murmur is common in newborns and children. An abnormal heart murmur is more serious. In children, abnormal murmurs are usually caused by congenital heart disease.

Left axis deviation (LAD) is a condition whereby the mean electrical axis of ventricular contraction of the heart lies in a frontal plane direction between −30° and −90°. This is reflected by a QRS complex positive in lead I and negative in leads aVF and II.
Cyanotic Heart Disease: www.nlm.nih.gov...
Cyanosis is the appearance of a blue or purple coloration of the skin or mucous membranes due to the tissues near the skin surface having low oxygen saturation.

This site shows the axis circ.ahajournals.org...
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
A systolic murmur, a round heart and left axis deviation are usually found in tricuspid atresia.
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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: ccseagull

Well i can say this much, his skin is neither blue nor purple. I know the doctor said my son is alright, but i like to look at all the possibilities and take necessary precautions and actions if i feel things are looking different... kinda like in my case where first doctor tild me my foot pains are no issue, then second doctor says my slipped disked are part because of my arch on my left foot going flat



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 05:54 PM
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a reply to: Scamzarilla

If it helps its not uncommon for young boys to have heart murmers. They almost always grow out of it. My youngest had one but when he was ten the doctor couldn't hear it. It's usually not a big deal. That other left whatsis I don't know anything about. Good luck. My baby just turned twenty.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: Scamzarilla

I have had a heart murmur since my early childhood. I am poushing 60 now and my health is very poor...all except my heart. My heart murmur has stayed with me and caused no issues.
I hope this helps.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 11:11 PM
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Try getting the actual test results if he went to get tested. They usually give more detailed information than a doctor gives out in a conversation. There are around three or four possible reasons for the condition. Someone can actually have a mineral deficiency that will cause something that is similar, it causes an enzyme problem which causes an imbalance.

My daughter has the mitrovalve prolapse thing and I was trying to figure out what caused it. Sometimes it acts up and other times there isn't a problem. I don't actually think they diagnosed that correctly though, doctors can't always detect it.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: Scamzarilla
Hello all! So my topic of discussion is obbiously the title of the thread. I found out this morning that my 4 year old son Dominic has left axis deviation. Now I am only semi-smart in this subject of matter, who am I kidding I don't know crap about this. But what I do know is in most cases it is not severe. What I also found out is that he does suffer from a heart murmur, and when I try to link the two together I find no information on the internet whatsoever. However, the reason I'm trying to see if these two are linked is because on this one site i stumbled upon at www.m.webmd.com... states that mitral valve prolapse, or Mitral valve or aortic stenosis can be a cause of this condition. That being said, your mitral and aortic valves are on the left side of your heart which is why I bring up my question does left axis deviation cause heart murmurs or is it caused by them. Maybe this information will help me better understand his diagnosis which when it comes to the circulatory system, it is a science that I know little to nothing about ( I'm an Aries and I hate to admit that haha). Can any medical buffs for doctors on this site give me a little insight to this information? It would be much appreciated because like I said I've tried searching for this information all morning and come up with zilch. I know there is no such thing as an overprotective father but I know how some people in the medical field can negate information when it comes to something important depending on the topic, however I don't feel this is conspiracy like fluoride or cancer medicine so feel free to help me out! Thanks everybody


I used to be a paediatric cardiac physiologist so I've a bit of experience here.

First of all, murmurs in children are extremely common and quite often harmless.
A murmur itself is just an extra heart sound heard when using a stethoscope and does not tell you that there is definitely something wrong with the heart.

Left-axis deviation is a way of describing an ECG, it does not describe whether there is anything structurally wrong with the heart.
Left-axis deviation is relatively unusual in children but there have been quite a few case studies showing LAD in normal kids so on its own it's pretty ambiguous.
Quite often, especially in small clinics, the ecg "diagnosis" is decided by the ecg machine as the health workers aren't experienced in interpreting them and quite often the machines can be incorrect when trying to interpret a child's ecg.

The definitive test would be an echocardiogram otherwise known as a heart ultrasound scan. It's very similar to a pre-natal scan and is completely harmless. Certainly, where I used to work any child who had a murmur was echo'd.
I would ensure that his doctor has booked him in for one and a visit to a paediatric cardiologist.

Feel free to either reply on here or send a pm if you need anything explained.
I won't diagnose anything nor will I advise on treatments etc as that's not my field but if you want anything putting into plain English don't hesitate to ask.

Good luck and try not to worry.
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posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Yeah i guess it turns out that i know more ppl than i thought had heart murmurs, and most of them are healthy adults



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: NewzNose

Its a rel8ef to hear that! But in the flipside of things i hope you are doing what you can to stay as healthy as possible



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Scamzarilla

I can only try.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Yeah thats exactly why i posted on here, because i know false diagnosis is a thing that is a possibility, even though im not a medical professional, im pretty good at peicing anything together once i build the foundation... they apparently figured this out because hes got the flu thats going around now so i dont know if they actually tested him for this or just figured it out because of the tests they had to run, i will be figuring this out today though



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?

Yeah i think ur right ill have it arranged for him to see the kid cardio and take it from there, i appreciate the explanation, i can definetly worry less about it now, if i can think of any questions ill definetly pm you!



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