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The thresshold for getting a referendum is 300k votes. The thresshold for getting the referendum count is 30% of the voters. That thresshold was barely met with just 32%. Of those that voted, 62% voted against. so, only about 20% of all voters are against, the rest is pro or don't give a rats tail.
Interesting detail is that the far left and the far right in dutch politics stood togheter against this treaty. That must have been a first.
I don't see the EU or even dutch politics take this serious for even a moment. The treaty will get signed.
The people that don't care and don't inform themselves and don't go and vote are irrelevant.
Part of the general annoyance regarding our mis-leaders I guess. Not that irrelevant at all, still a lot of voters for the next election.
And don't get too disappointed when your vote will be ignored like some greek referendum. Just more water on your mills at the end of the day.
originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: Peeple
so why did they start one?
Alexander Haig: We are trying to de-escalise a war.
Margaret Thatcher: So am I. But you do not do it by appeasement. You increase its chances. You see this table? This was where Neville Chamberlain sat in 1938 when he spoke on the wireless about the Czechs as "far away people about whom we know nothing and with whom we have so little in common". Munich! Appeasement! A world war followed because of that irresponsible, woolly-minded, indecisive, slip-shod attitude and the deaths of 45 million people.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and can decide there own destiny.
We are now seeing similar dig-in-the-heels strategies regarding Syria and Ukraine. Though I’m told that U.S. intelligence knows that the Obama administration’s propaganda is no longer operative on the 2013 sarin gas attack outside Damascus and the 2014 shoot-down of the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, the storylines won’t be retracted or corrected.
To do so – to say that President Bashar al-Assad’s forces weren’t responsible for the sarin attack and that the Russians weren’t behind the MH-17 catastrophe – would destroy the propaganda narratives that have been useful in justifying the shipment of arms to Syrian rebels and the launching of a new Cold War against Moscow.
If the American people and the world public were informed that they had been misled on such sensitive topics – and that the real guilty parties might include people getting American support – that could devastate U.S. government “credibility” and disrupt future plans.
David Cameron: “There can be no doubt about the result,” he said. “The British people have voted to leave the European Union and their will must be respected.” But he added that the tortuous negotiations ahead with the EU would require “strong determined and committed leadership” that he felt he could no longer provide. “The country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction.”