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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: aphon
The reason for God is there's no reason. God and human relation is simply like master to slaves.
God is not just a "slave-master" relationship. God is a Friend...
"11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you." - John 15:11-15
and God is Our Father Who Art in Heaven...
"35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." - Luke 6:35-36
"44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?" - Matthew 5:44-46
Yes, God is called "King" but the Heavenly view of "King" is not the same as the selfish worldly version. Here is how Jesus sees it:
"24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve." - Luke 22:24-26
God does not turn you into a slave. God sets you free from the path of death (pain/suffering/darkness) and helps you stay on The Narrow Path of Life:
"12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." - Matthew 7:12-14
Wrong even if your talking about the physical universe nothing about a solar system necessarily entails that it is greater than you in an ontological sense. 4 is not always greater than three but 4 is always higher than three ina quantitative sense. You again are using an equivocation fallacy in order to strengthen your position.
No. There is no fallacy in what I have said. 4 is always greater than 3 in the physical universe. This is a fact.
I do exist. I am 1 person. The solar system does exist. It is 1 solar system. The solar system in exponentially larger (greater) than I am, even though we both are only 1 thing (being), by description. This is a fact.
The physical universe doesn't care about your opinion of its various qualities of its "greatness". It is "greatest" because it encompasses all that there is.
Your opinion of what qualities eschew "greatest greatness" exists in a different reality/dimension of this universe that is not physical.
The only way that your god can exist in the physical universe, by necessity is if the physical universe is its body.
The material universe does not encompass immaterial things.
No what I defined as great was a way of formulating information to exchange to you.
Or the being could be transcendent......
What model of the universe are you using if it involves inflation I'd say your definitely not on par with Science.
(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once. Read more at: phys.org...
Btw this "15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you." - John 15:11-15 "
was not God that has spoken, but it was Jesus, when Jesus was talking about his God.
"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."
the Holy Spirit/Mother is the physical universe that we see.
Yes, people can see God as a friend, like a child see a teacher as friend.
shouldn't have called it the physical "universe". I should have called it the physical "dimension". The universe itself encompasses all dimensions material and immaterial, things like love and ideas.
Even by that definition, the universe is the greatest "being" that exists.
We could be transcendent beings too, transcending to a higher plane of our own consciousness within the universe. And, since we know the universe "could be" self creating and eternal, it could also transcend its own consciousness, thereby creating an even "greater" universe, continually.
Now your obviously defining words differently so please define.
Please make your argument on that definition then and rather than equivocating .
Actually I don't know the universe "could be" self creating
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: windword
On the contrary. The solar system actually exists and is exponentially a greater "being" than myself. Then you have the Milky Way Galaxy, and on and on........So, it would logically follow that a "Maximally Great Being physically" would be the physical body of all that exists in total; The Universe. Ergo, ipso fatso..the Universe is God's body.
Those things are only greater in quantitative sense not a qualitative sense. Meaning they are only greater in the sense that they are larger not in the sense that they have more great making properties than you. Also the universe is a contingent entity in that in began to exists. I would offer the Kalam Cosmological Argument there.