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If Bernie Sanders is president the amount in additional taxes I would pay equals a new Honda Civic

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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:58 PM
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So, if Bernie is elected I will pay about 19,000 more in taxes based on his plan. I am feeling the 'bern' now. I also think I know why he is there. I already pay close to 30k a year in taxes. You want more!!!! Check out the link below and tell me what would happen to you....

www.vox.com...


The presidential candidates have wildly varying tax proposals. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz propose massive cuts that would greatly reduce federal income taxes on everyone, especially the wealthy, while cutting a wide host of government programs. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders proposes virtually the opposite: tax increases on everyone, with hikes on the wealthy especially, while adding comprehensive government programs. And Hillary Clinton proposes much smaller tax increases, all focused on the rich. But what do their plans mean for your federal tax liability?


The 'establishment' wants and needs revenue. Bernie is their candidate. Clinton is flat, no change but with Trump I could save 7000 dollars. I am thinking I see what they are up to. So, they kill the Trump train, push Cruz, no way he wins in a general against Bernie, yes, Bernie, and the money will come pouring into the FED.

TRUMP 2016....fools....



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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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That calculator is A LIE.

I don't know how many times I've had to scream, yell, wave my arms around.

Unless you make over $250,000 a year, your taxes will NOT CHANGE.

The calculator is misleading, and doesn't represent the actual tax brackets that Sander's has published and discussed. The Vox site is propaganda.
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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:02 PM
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Here:



Where do you see yourself having higher taxes in that graphic?


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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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If you're making 250,000 a year and are complaining about roughly 50 thousand dropping you to 200000 thousand a year.... cry me a river as I play the world's smallest violin for you.


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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:04 PM
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And I would trust the candidate's own material why?

"If you like your doctor, you would keep your doctor ..."

We all know Bernie is an economic illiterate.


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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
If you're making 250,000 a year and are complaining about roughly 50 thousand dropping you to 200000 thousand a year.... cry me a river as I play the world's smallest violin for you.


If you are talking about a small business owner, their business and personal income are often not separate things. They may report a personal income that large, but what it translates to for purposes of what they and their family live on can often be as little as $50 or $60K/year.


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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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Here, everyone instead of just using some 3rd party calculator, why don't you use one that actually takes into account the reality of the Sander's tax plan:

bernietax.com

Wow, looks like I'd actually save over $2,500 a year!



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Most of the things like paying employees purchasing products to sell, repairs, etc that go towards running that business are tax write offs. So if that IS including their business they aren't being taxed on that full 250,000 anyway.


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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
And I would trust the candidate's own material why?

"If you like your doctor, you would keep your doctor ..."

We all know Bernie is an economic illiterate.


And I would trust a 3rd party website using incorrect math and factoring in things that they shouldn't? VOX has been shown and proven to be using incorrect math and figures in their calculator.

The calculator is phony, fake, a fraud, a sham, spin, disingenuous, a lie.

Simply because it tells you what you want doesn't make it correct, accurate or real.

I suspect I'd make a killing these days selling a magic 8 ball that always told people what they wanted. Seriously.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

OK, so explain why someone should pay that much in taxes. Why should anyone?

Where does it stop? At what point has someone paid their "fair share"?

And don't just make something up because you envy people who are more successful than you. Keep in mind that you might become successful to that degree yourself someday.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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And here as an example are just some numbers I was throwing around...



So don't buy into the garbage from Vox. It's not anywhere near accurate. It appears to be doing its job though, spreading disinformation and scaring the hell out of uninformed people.
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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

You mean it tells you what you would prefer not to believe?

Face it, Bernie would kill us with new taxes and there is no way to raise an additional $18T in new spending without doing it. No way. Not even if you confiscate those entire sectors of the economy and put them under government control - that makes it worse really. Then there is no incentive to keep cost down. You just make a new tax or fee when you come up short, or borrow more or print more.

Meanwhile, there is no quality incentive so that goes to pot too.

We can look at the public education sector for our model.


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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Here, everyone instead of just using some 3rd party calculator, why don't you use one that actually takes into account the reality of the Sander's tax plan:

bernietax.com

Wow, looks like I'd actually save over $2,500 a year!

That is the amount that I was supposed to save when Obamacare took effect.
Yay.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

The Bernie tax makes sense.

You will be paying more (like the OP stated) but you'll get free, crappy, VA medical care to offset the insanely high Obamacare.

So we currently pay twice/3 times as much in Obamacare, but will save drastically much more by shifting to a global VA care.

Bernie should know crappy VA care, wasn't he in charge of it?



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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If I made 250,000 I'd be fine being taxed 150,000 if it was going towards making things better for everyone. Why? Because 100,000 thousand a year is way more than I need to live happily, well fed, and brand new everything I care about whenever I need it, and could still save up for an early retirement. Really how much do people need?

I'm sorry that some people are so greedy they feel they need excessive wealth, but I have no pity for them because nothing would ever be enough and anyone who feels they need it would happily put everyone else in the gutter to get it.
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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Have you even calculated your own tax savings with Sanders?

Why are you side stepping the entire issue here and making this about something else? This is about the Vox calculator and personal income taxes. Not any of this other crap your dragging up trying to derail the topic at hand.

I'm not going to engage you on any other topic. Period. Nice try, come again.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:24 PM
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Shouldn't this be in the LOL forum by now, you know, seeing as Bernie's calculator proves it's all bull#.


Puppylove you made me laugh.
Very well put.

Mystik, it's always a pleasure to see your input.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: ketsuko

If I made 250,000 I'd be fine being taxed 150,000 if it was going towards making things better for everyone. Why? Because 100,000 thousand a year is way more than I need to live happily, well fed, and brand new everything I care about whenever I need it, and could still save up for an early retirement. Really how much do people need?

I'm sorry that some people are so greedy they feel they need excessive wealth, but I have no pity for them because nothing would ever be enough and anyone who feels they need it would happily put everyone else in the gutter to get it.


OK, let's look at that in terms of time you spend at work.

No matter which man we talk about (rich or poor) a person usually can only work about 40 hours, give or take 20 or so in a given week.

You are saying you'd be happy spending all those hours to only spend about a day and half or maybe two days tops actually earning money you can put in your pocket? Are you still OK with that knowing that the rest of the time, you are slaving away, busting your butt for the government to take that money and spend it as they see fit, assuming they can make decisions on what to do with that money better than you can, even knowing there is a full range of charities that essentially covers all the myriad programs the government has?

And are you really OK with it knowing that the other guy works all day every day and takes home every penny he makes?

Sorry, but I begin to feel like a government slave after a while. Shouldn't everyone spend the same amount of hours every week working for the government if we all supposedly benefit from it?



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: ketsuko

Have you even calculated your own tax savings with Sanders?

Why are you side stepping the entire issue here and making this about something else? This is about the Vox calculator and personal income taxes. Not any of this other crap your dragging up trying to derail the topic at hand.

I'm not going to engage you on any other topic. Period. Nice try, come again.


We don't save with Bernie. We'd go bankrupt even allowing for the dubious savings of nationalized health care. He takes too much.

I told you, I do not buy into candidate propaganda, not from GOP candidates or from socialists. They want you to buy what they're selling, so they will take the very best material they can get. Of course Bernie will have the pie in the sky estimate. So did Obama when he was selling Obamacare, that is my point. Are you going to acknowledge that his own stuff will look awesome on purpose or not?
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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 02:27 PM
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Somewhere, in an affluent neighbourhood, there is a person who just "earned" three quarters of a million dollars while taking a dump. He or she will gain a full million just by eating breakfast and dropping their kids off to school. They will be heading for two million dollars takings by the time they get to their office, and by the time they are done for the day (after a heady three hour shift) they will be up to the six million mark. By the time they have done their days chores (tennis lesson, golfing, sauna, visit with their professional masseuse) they will be another ten million in the black, despite having spent the yearly income of a small family on a pair of understated, tastefully designed shoes.

That individual has not done a solid days work since their acne wore off, but lives as if they had laid a railroad single handed during the gold rush. This individual could loose a years pay, and still have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!

Tell me that it makes sense to you, that this individual should be able to pay an amount of tax that they would not notice, when those working sixty and seventy hour weeks, eleven out of twelve months a year, live in mortal fear of what it costs them to merely EXIST! Tell me that, and I will ask you how you like the rod up your back, greased or oiled, iron or mahogany.



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