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Capitalists - you really don't see a problem?

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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: JimTSpock

Maybe a fair way of doing that would be to define a maximum wage as well as a minimum wage.




posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: purplemer

Agreed.

Sometimes you get someone that's just genius. Inventive, creative, etc... And they should be rewarded.

This doss not describe most elite rich people though.. Hardly any at that.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: purplemer

Not entirely true, many people work hard to make those millions, sometimes wealth is a reault of initiative.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

The problem and reality is that you are advocating a system where liberty only applies to the cream. Capitalism has inherent flaws. One is wealth consolidation. The other is maximizing efficiency. The market relies on consumer spending to keep it going. It will eventually choke itself out without proper redirection.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Empathy is a rare commodity not everybody can afford it nor does everybody deserve it.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: purplemer

Or a maximum ratio, where the highest paid can only be so much compared to the lowest paid.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: deadlyhope

So what is your solution? If not Capitalism what then?


There are many different approaches. These are just covered under the present spectre of politics and msm.

How about a resource based economy for example.


In a Resource Based Economy all goods and services are available to all people without the need for means of exchange such as money, credits, barter or any other means. For this to be achieved all resources must be declared as the common heritage of all Earth’s inhabitants. Equipped with the latest scientific and technological marvels mankind could reach extremely high productivity levels and create abundance of resources.

Resource Based Economy concerns itself with three main factors, namely Environmental, Technological and Human. We invite you to investigate further into these factors and discover more about The Venus Project and Resource Based Economy.


www.thevenusproject.com...



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Thats a good idea you could use that to reduce the wealth disparity between the rich and poor. You could use the same technique between different nations too...



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: luthier

You may be correct, but the beauty is, that everyone has a chance to be the cream.
We live in a society where someone like Jay-Z can go from a housing project to one of the most influential and richest people in America. Same for many athletes.
Like I said, it's no where near perfect, but neither is any other economic system.
I agree with most of your post.
On a side note, it has been really fun going back and forth with both of us saying "cream" in every single one of our last few posts.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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It's funny how they divided us so deeply the left and right can't even agree how bad we are being bent over


Yes as someone once said to me. Left and right are both wings of the same bird. I think we need a different bird.






posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: purplemer

That I can agree with for one it eliminates Fiat currencies, for two it extremely levels the playing field either you have something of value to contribute or you do not barter systems don't work any other way.

That goes right back to my successful life forms analogy of function of nature, either you hunt and eat or you are lame and starve.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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You may be correct, but the beauty is, that everyone has a chance to be the cream.


Yes and most people never will be the cream and those that are cream want to be creamer. So how does that leave people. Always in a state of longing for something that wont achieve. Thats lacking. Its poverty and its done on purpose as a method of control.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: sycomix




That goes right back to my successful life forms analogy of function of nature, either you hunt and eat or you are lame and starve


Nature does not work that way. Some of our oldest civilisations on earth work through cooperation and sharing. If we want to survive we need to learn from systems that have survived for a long time.

If you have time look at this thread you might find it interesting.

Why trees are even more awesome than you think
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: sycomix


Yes and always great wealth comes at a great cost to others and our planet.





posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

Dont get me wrong either. I am not advocating socialism. Just a realistic view of capitalism. The system can be fixed by addressing the flaws. Just like an athlete.

Jz however, wouldn't be my prime example. His contributions are mixed and somewhat and objective. It's like saying el chapo was great he went from poor to a billionaire.

Elon Musk however I think would be a good example. He is creating artifacts with his wealth from other artifacts that serve a utility other than entertainment which can be classified as lower or higher forms. Personally I find it repulsive the black intellectual movement of the r and b and jazz era was engineered to self destruct by mafia record labels.

But that's sociology and I digress.
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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: purplemer

Nice cream talk. I love it.
It is only controlling if you allow yourself to be controlled by it.

I feel like most people are able to understand that greatness is not in the cards for everyone.
If someone can't be satisfied with what the have and want to be sad because they don't have the whole world, that is their problem. It's a form of giving up. It is also a contributing factor of not being creamy in the first place.
This is not Capitalism's fault whatsoever.

Its weak minded people who would have been weeded out if we still had to hunt and scavenge for food.
Hell, capitalism is the only reason they are still alive. If it wasn't for someone smarter and more determined than them starting a food stand, or providing clean water for a price, they wouldn't even be living.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

The skills required to be a hunter/gatherer are very different than many of the skills necessary to succeed today. You might be surprised how many "worthless" people would be successful then.

In fact the reason there's so few people that can succeed today is the way we live is very contrary to the skills we evolved to survive in said hunter/gatherer society. We've not yet adapted, this is all very new, and not natural to our skill sets.
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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Yeah, I agree Jay-Z isn't the most wholesome example, he was just the first 'rags to riches' type, well known figure.
Good point on the digression by the way... black youth does not have very many good role models these days.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

I have to disagree with your last post. The social contract and collective allowed us to fend off other barbarians to begin with.

Fear (a weakness) is also a motivator. Freedom and liberty however are a realization.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: purplemer

In any system everything comes at a price



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