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Capitalists - you really don't see a problem?

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posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: elysiumfire
Wow! What a thread! Twenty seven pages of utter contemptuous bull#! Your mindsets are incredible. Take a look at the world. Capitalism is a parasitic ideology feeding on your minds and bending them to capitalism's will. You've got financiers around the world running nations (they used to be called countries), dictating policies and judiciary, and by that association, your lives. Capitalism has set everyone on a treadmill, and even knowing its destructive and harmful effects, you are too damn scared to either step off the treadmill, or stop capitalism in its tracks, which you can do simply by not buying the products. It's that simple. Your main problem is a fear of going without what you perceive others having and you thinking you should have as well.

We began slowly, but have since accelerated the process, we are destroying our environment's capacity to support us. It's a fact. We know this, because we see the rate of extinction of animal species has equally accelerated, and is proportionate to our level of consumerism, driven by capitalist ideology. However, it's not just animal species is it? Right now, America is using its vast military powerhouse to steal the resources of other peoples in other lands for its own use. Other Western nations are doing the same thing in collusion with America, and that is capitalism taken to the most insane 'nth' degree.

Capitalism is killing us, and incredibly we are feeding it, some of you openly applaud and support it. All I can say to that is you know not what you do. The human population is too large, the planet doesn't have the capacity to provide the same level of modern technological lifestyle for everyone. It cannot, nor can we, feed over six and a half billion people without end, and with the population continuing to enlarge. There are too many variables that stop us from doing so.

In the end, capitalism is nothing more than a social idea that imbalances society. It manifests selfishness, insularism, and indifference, and ultimately leads to societal fracture and collapse, which as you know, is well underway. Capitalism will not accept regulation (it always looks and finds ways around it, the elite always ensure it can do so), and nor can it switch off its rapacious greed, because it can only survive and maintain itself by greed and enlarging itself...it has no perspective for anything other than itself. No. Capitalism has to be purposefully and forcibly switched off by a populace it has taken to its exhausted end.



Wow, what an uninformed post. You have a fundamental problem understanding what capitalism is. Capitalism is pure freedom to buy and sell whatever you want to whomever wants to buy or sell it. I'm not going to try to help you understand capitalism, you're too far gone. If you truly want to understand it you need to take some econ courses. The problems you bring up are only problems that seem impossible to solve if you look at it from a central planning standpoint, which is a false starting point. Look up some milton friedman, some maynard keynes, and some adam smith.


All you seem to understand about capitalism is the phylosophy and text book definition. You blame government for what capitalism has become because you refuse to believe that capitalism is what gave the tools to bend government into allowing crony capitalism.

Capitalism was a stupid idea developed by idiots that 5th grader from todays standards would make look like retards. It was meant for monkeys, not an advancing civilization.




posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: luthier






I am not buying into anything. I don't think more government regulations are the answer. I think the the market needs to be regulated.


So you are hoping for self-regulation by the large corporations? What we have now is Starbucks charging ridiculously high prices in the name of "responsible" sustainability....and that is just corporate support of Agenda 21.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
So what is the incorrect but yet official and power serving definition of man that you enjoy?

First principle -- Man lives for the common good.

Am I right?



Not even close.

It's the same one that follows all of nature.

Man is first a product of their enviornment whether it is a rejection of the culture or acceptance.


NO
Man is born with certain organizing factors. Like language and the coordination to walk up right, Man chooses, using reason or ratiocination, naturally and genetically. His environment determines his knowledge base, but his essential process is rational. He constantly predicts the likely future to the best of his ability.

Man constantly chooses. He is creature of his mind.

If a man's environment is socialist he will be socialist until such time as he sees a reason to be otherwise.

But just because a man's environment is collectivist it does not follow that man's nature is collectivist.

Since man has only one mind and cannot read other's minds his essential nature must be individual.


I take you never read any anthropology?

Almost none of what you said is true.

Unless you are a creationist?


Why do the Yanomami limit the number of woman born and then fight over them from tribe to tribe? Why do they slice their penises open and put a stick through them? Is that rational to you?

If I am mute and my children never go outside will they learn language?

Did homosapien 2 always have language?

Reason was developed over time. It's an evolutionary trait that served as a survival mechanism. It is not man's first instinct or innate gift. It is learned and developed with great variance from time and cultures.



Anthropology is a different focus. It explains the observable culture and physical evolution.

The Yanomami are being rational from their point of view.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Sounds like you need to look up people who advocate socialism. Einstein, Twain, orwell - many intellectuals support socialism, so don't just throw some random names at me. There's plenty of people on both sides.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: elysiumfire


Capitalism is a parasitic ideology feeding on your minds and bending them to capitalism's will.


Capitalism made the food you eat and the computer and the Alphabet.

Capitalism is not always comforting in the short term, but in the long term it is the cause for everything that you need to live.



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 11:54 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: luthier






I am not buying into anything. I don't think more government regulations are the answer. I think the the market needs to be regulated.


So you are hoping for self-regulation by the large corporations? What we have now is Starbucks charging ridiculously high prices in the name of "responsible" sustainability....and that is just corporate support of Agenda 21.


No I think there need to be government regulations not more government regulations. I think some need to be removed and some need to be reinforced.

And I don't buy into anything Alex Jones says.
edit on 11-4-2016 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:00 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
So what is the incorrect but yet official and power serving definition of man that you enjoy?

First principle -- Man lives for the common good.

Am I right?



Not even close.

It's the same one that follows all of nature.

Man is first a product of their enviornment whether it is a rejection of the culture or acceptance.


NO
Man is born with certain organizing factors. Like language and the coordination to walk up right, Man chooses, using reason or ratiocination, naturally and genetically. His environment determines his knowledge base, but his essential process is rational. He constantly predicts the likely future to the best of his ability.

Man constantly chooses. He is creature of his mind.

If a man's environment is socialist he will be socialist until such time as he sees a reason to be otherwise.

But just because a man's environment is collectivist it does not follow that man's nature is collectivist.

Since man has only one mind and cannot read other's minds his essential nature must be individual.


I take you never read any anthropology?

Almost none of what you said is true.

Unless you are a creationist?


Why do the Yanomami limit the number of woman born and then fight over them from tribe to tribe? Why do they slice their penises open and put a stick through them? Is that rational to you?

If I am mute and my children never go outside will they learn language?

Did homosapien 2 always have language?

Reason was developed over time. It's an evolutionary trait that served as a survival mechanism. It is not man's first instinct or innate gift. It is learned and developed with great variance from time and cultures.



Anthropology is a different focus. It explains the observable culture and physical evolution.

The Yanomami are being rational from their point of view.





You have no idea about anything you haven't googled and read blurbs about.

One can not be rational and superstious.

One can be rational from there own point of view?

Yet you reject anyone elses point of view?

What does anthropology have a different focus from?

So socialism is the rational system to use then. Especially if the majority of people believe that from their point of view.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:02 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: elysiumfire


Capitalism is a parasitic ideology feeding on your minds and bending them to capitalism's will.


Capitalism made the food you eat and the computer and the Alphabet.

Capitalism is not always comforting in the short term, but in the long term it is the cause for everything that you need to live.





Capitalism has nothing to do with creating food. Unless your talking about TV dinners.

People have been eating food since they came to be.

Capitalism is just as responsible for cancer by that token then.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:08 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
So what is the incorrect but yet official and power serving definition of man that you enjoy?

First principle -- Man lives for the common good.

Am I right?



Not even close.

It's the same one that follows all of nature.

Man is first a product of their enviornment whether it is a rejection of the culture or acceptance.


NO
Man is born with certain organizing factors. Like language and the coordination to walk up right, Man chooses, using reason or ratiocination, naturally and genetically. His environment determines his knowledge base, but his essential process is rational. He constantly predicts the likely future to the best of his ability.

Man constantly chooses. He is creature of his mind.

If a man's environment is socialist he will be socialist until such time as he sees a reason to be otherwise.

But just because a man's environment is collectivist it does not follow that man's nature is collectivist.

Since man has only one mind and cannot read other's minds his essential nature must be individual.


I take you never read any anthropology?

Almost none of what you said is true.

Unless you are a creationist?


Why do the Yanomami limit the number of woman born and then fight over them from tribe to tribe? Why do they slice their penises open and put a stick through them? Is that rational to you?

If I am mute and my children never go outside will they learn language?

Did homosapien 2 always have language?

Reason was developed over time. It's an evolutionary trait that served as a survival mechanism. It is not man's first instinct or innate gift. It is learned and developed with great variance from time and cultures.



Anthropology is a different focus. It explains the observable culture and physical evolution.

The Yanomami are being rational from their point of view.





You have no idea about anything you haven't googled and read blurbs about.

One can not be rational and superstious.

One can be rational from there own point of view?

Yet you reject anyone elses point of view?

What does anthropology have a different focus from?

So socialism is the rational system to use then. Especially if the majority of people believe that from their point of view.


Superstition is rational when you think that the superstition is real.

Rationality is making your best guess from the available knowledge.

Superstition is their knowledge.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
So what is the incorrect but yet official and power serving definition of man that you enjoy?

First principle -- Man lives for the common good.

Am I right?



Not even close.

It's the same one that follows all of nature.

Man is first a product of their enviornment whether it is a rejection of the culture or acceptance.


NO
Man is born with certain organizing factors. Like language and the coordination to walk up right, Man chooses, using reason or ratiocination, naturally and genetically. His environment determines his knowledge base, but his essential process is rational. He constantly predicts the likely future to the best of his ability.

Man constantly chooses. He is creature of his mind.

If a man's environment is socialist he will be socialist until such time as he sees a reason to be otherwise.

But just because a man's environment is collectivist it does not follow that man's nature is collectivist.

Since man has only one mind and cannot read other's minds his essential nature must be individual.


I take you never read any anthropology?

Almost none of what you said is true.

Unless you are a creationist?


Why do the Yanomami limit the number of woman born and then fight over them from tribe to tribe? Why do they slice their penises open and put a stick through them? Is that rational to you?

If I am mute and my children never go outside will they learn language?

Did homosapien 2 always have language?

Reason was developed over time. It's an evolutionary trait that served as a survival mechanism. It is not man's first instinct or innate gift. It is learned and developed with great variance from time and cultures.



Anthropology is a different focus. It explains the observable culture and physical evolution.

The Yanomami are being rational from their point of view.





You have no idea about anything you haven't googled and read blurbs about.

One can not be rational and superstious.

One can be rational from there own point of view?

Yet you reject anyone elses point of view?

What does anthropology have a different focus from?

So socialism is the rational system to use then. Especially if the majority of people believe that from their point of view.


Superstition is rational when you think that the superstition is real.

Rationality is making your best guess from the available knowledge.

Superstition is their knowledge.



Ahhh very good grasshopper.

Except you just destroyed several of your earlier arguements. I guess you didn't see me walking you that way.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: elysiumfire


Capitalism is a parasitic ideology feeding on your minds and bending them to capitalism's will.


Capitalism made the food you eat and the computer and the Alphabet.

Capitalism is not always comforting in the short term, but in the long term it is the cause for everything that you need to live.





Capitalism has nothing to do with creating food. Unless your talking about TV dinners.

People have been eating food since they came to be.

Capitalism is just as responsible for cancer by that token then.


Capitalism causes cancer like hospitals cause crime. There are always more hospitals in cities, where the crime is.

Capitalism is the only reason there was no European Malthusian famine in the 1800's. Capitalism is the only reason there is enough food today.

Competition is uncomfortable for the competitors, but without lethal force regulations it is the default setting of business.
Corruption can't compete. In a free market the only corruption would be somebody charging a little bit more than the natural rate of interest and profit. When he charges too much, and people pay it, he will get new competition.

Horus bought up a good point. Why isn't there horse meat at the grocery store?

Because the consumer rules the market.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:24 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
So what is the incorrect but yet official and power serving definition of man that you enjoy?

First principle -- Man lives for the common good.

Am I right?



Not even close.

It's the same one that follows all of nature.

Man is first a product of their enviornment whether it is a rejection of the culture or acceptance.


NO
Man is born with certain organizing factors. Like language and the coordination to walk up right, Man chooses, using reason or ratiocination, naturally and genetically. His environment determines his knowledge base, but his essential process is rational. He constantly predicts the likely future to the best of his ability.

Man constantly chooses. He is creature of his mind.

If a man's environment is socialist he will be socialist until such time as he sees a reason to be otherwise.

But just because a man's environment is collectivist it does not follow that man's nature is collectivist.

Since man has only one mind and cannot read other's minds his essential nature must be individual.


I take you never read any anthropology?

Almost none of what you said is true.

Unless you are a creationist?


Why do the Yanomami limit the number of woman born and then fight over them from tribe to tribe? Why do they slice their penises open and put a stick through them? Is that rational to you?

If I am mute and my children never go outside will they learn language?

Did homosapien 2 always have language?

Reason was developed over time. It's an evolutionary trait that served as a survival mechanism. It is not man's first instinct or innate gift. It is learned and developed with great variance from time and cultures.



Anthropology is a different focus. It explains the observable culture and physical evolution.

The Yanomami are being rational from their point of view.





You have no idea about anything you haven't googled and read blurbs about.

One can not be rational and superstious.

One can be rational from there own point of view?

Yet you reject anyone elses point of view?

What does anthropology have a different focus from?

So socialism is the rational system to use then. Especially if the majority of people believe that from their point of view.


Superstition is rational when you think that the superstition is real.

Rationality is making your best guess from the available knowledge.

Superstition is their knowledge.



Ahhh very good grasshopper.

Except you just destroyed several of your earlier arguements. I guess you didn't see me walking you that way.


I doubt it.

Please sum it up.

You assume there must be regulation, for no causative reason. Just because regulations are possible they must be good for something.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:26 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
So what is the incorrect but yet official and power serving definition of man that you enjoy?

First principle -- Man lives for the common good.

Am I right?



Not even close.

It's the same one that follows all of nature.

Man is first a product of their enviornment whether it is a rejection of the culture or acceptance.


NO
Man is born with certain organizing factors. Like language and the coordination to walk up right, Man chooses, using reason or ratiocination, naturally and genetically. His environment determines his knowledge base, but his essential process is rational. He constantly predicts the likely future to the best of his ability.

Man constantly chooses. He is creature of his mind.

If a man's environment is socialist he will be socialist until such time as he sees a reason to be otherwise.

But just because a man's environment is collectivist it does not follow that man's nature is collectivist.

Since man has only one mind and cannot read other's minds his essential nature must be individual.


I take you never read any anthropology?

Almost none of what you said is true.

Unless you are a creationist?


Why do the Yanomami limit the number of woman born and then fight over them from tribe to tribe? Why do they slice their penises open and put a stick through them? Is that rational to you?

If I am mute and my children never go outside will they learn language?

Did homosapien 2 always have language?

Reason was developed over time. It's an evolutionary trait that served as a survival mechanism. It is not man's first instinct or innate gift. It is learned and developed with great variance from time and cultures.



Anthropology is a different focus. It explains the observable culture and physical evolution.

The Yanomami are being rational from their point of view.





You have no idea about anything you haven't googled and read blurbs about.

One can not be rational and superstious.

One can be rational from there own point of view?

Yet you reject anyone elses point of view?

What does anthropology have a different focus from?

So socialism is the rational system to use then. Especially if the majority of people believe that from their point of view.


Superstition is rational when you think that the superstition is real.

Rationality is making your best guess from the available knowledge.

Superstition is their knowledge.



Ahhh very good grasshopper.

Except you just destroyed several of your earlier arguements. I guess you didn't see me walking you that way.


I doubt it.

Please sum it up.

You assume there must be regulation, for no causative reason. Just because regulations are possible they must be good for something.


That isn't my arguement.

However your to busy preaching your superstions to listen to anything.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:31 AM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Corruption is an effect of greed which is a trait of man like reason.

You assume the market is made up of robots.

Terrorism effects the markets.

Elections effect the markets.

Emotions effect the markets.

We effects the markets.

Politics effect the markets

Greed effect the markets.

Catastrophe effect the markets.

People can take advantage of human emotions to effect the markets.



Only a complete ignoramous can't see that.

Everything that has happened has really happened.

Regardless of what your philosophy says.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
In a free market the only corruption would be somebody charging a little bit more than the natural rate of interest and profit. When he charges too much, and people pay it, he will get new competition.

But you need a real free market for that to work and that is what is missing.
edit on 11-4-2016 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:33 AM
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originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: elysiumfire
Wow! What a thread! Twenty seven pages of utter contemptuous bull#! Your mindsets are incredible. Take a look at the world. Capitalism is a parasitic ideology feeding on your minds and bending them to capitalism's will. You've got financiers around the world running nations (they used to be called countries), dictating policies and judiciary, and by that association, your lives. Capitalism has set everyone on a treadmill, and even knowing its destructive and harmful effects, you are too damn scared to either step off the treadmill, or stop capitalism in its tracks, which you can do simply by not buying the products. It's that simple. Your main problem is a fear of going without what you perceive others having and you thinking you should have as well.

We began slowly, but have since accelerated the process, we are destroying our environment's capacity to support us. It's a fact. We know this, because we see the rate of extinction of animal species has equally accelerated, and is proportionate to our level of consumerism, driven by capitalist ideology. However, it's not just animal species is it? Right now, America is using its vast military powerhouse to steal the resources of other peoples in other lands for its own use. Other Western nations are doing the same thing in collusion with America, and that is capitalism taken to the most insane 'nth' degree.

Capitalism is killing us, and incredibly we are feeding it, some of you openly applaud and support it. All I can say to that is you know not what you do. The human population is too large, the planet doesn't have the capacity to provide the same level of modern technological lifestyle for everyone. It cannot, nor can we, feed over six and a half billion people without end, and with the population continuing to enlarge. There are too many variables that stop us from doing so.

In the end, capitalism is nothing more than a social idea that imbalances society. It manifests selfishness, insularism, and indifference, and ultimately leads to societal fracture and collapse, which as you know, is well underway. Capitalism will not accept regulation (it always looks and finds ways around it, the elite always ensure it can do so), and nor can it switch off its rapacious greed, because it can only survive and maintain itself by greed and enlarging itself...it has no perspective for anything other than itself. No. Capitalism has to be purposefully and forcibly switched off by a populace it has taken to its exhausted end.



Wow, what an uninformed post. You have a fundamental problem understanding what capitalism is. Capitalism is pure freedom to buy and sell whatever you want to whomever wants to buy or sell it. I'm not going to try to help you understand capitalism, you're too far gone. If you truly want to understand it you need to take some econ courses. The problems you bring up are only problems that seem impossible to solve if you look at it from a central planning standpoint, which is a false starting point. Look up some milton friedman, some maynard keynes, and some adam smith.


All you seem to understand about capitalism is the phylosophy and text book definition. You blame government for what capitalism has become because you refuse to believe that capitalism is what gave the tools to bend government into allowing crony capitalism.


Actually Language abuse is most of the actual culprit. Fraud that was never prosecuted by the gov. Why would anybody want more gvo?




Capitalism was a stupid idea developed by idiots that 5th grader from todays standards would make look like retards. It was meant for monkeys, not an advancing civilization.


Capitalism evolved. No man made it. Unlike Socialism which is a pretty cartoon of reality.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:36 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: elysiumfire


Capitalism is a parasitic ideology feeding on your minds and bending them to capitalism's will.


Capitalism made the food you eat and the computer and the Alphabet.

Capitalism is not always comforting in the short term, but in the long term it is the cause for everything that you need to live.





Capitalism has nothing to do with creating food. Unless your talking about TV dinners.

People have been eating food since they came to be.

Capitalism is just as responsible for cancer by that token then.


Capitalism causes cancer like hospitals cause crime. There are always more hospitals in cities, where the crime is.

Capitalism is the only reason there was no European Malthusian famine in the 1800's. Capitalism is the only reason there is enough food today.

Competition is uncomfortable for the competitors, but without lethal force regulations it is the default setting of business.
Corruption can't compete. In a free market the only corruption would be somebody charging a little bit more than the natural rate of interest and profit. When he charges too much, and people pay it, he will get new competition.

Horus bought up a good point. Why isn't there horse meat at the grocery store?

Because the consumer rules the market.


Hey maybe famine is like the free market. A necessary population correction.

We have created a monoculture. We are at a very big risk of having a very real disaster with food now.

Not because of the market like you say. Because of human ingenuity.

Half of the things you prescribe to the market came from human igenuity which has been progressing since we evolved from archaic humans.

The seperarion of church and state was the biggest factor in accelerated human achievement.



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:42 AM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Corruption is an effect of greed which is a trait of man like reason.


Greed is motivation. Only lethal force can maintain the result of corruption.


You assume the market is made up of robots.


Quite the opposite. The market is one result of normal human behavior.


Terrorism effects the markets.


Elections effect the markets.

Emotions effect the markets.

We effects the markets.

Politics effect the markets

Greed effect the markets.

Catastrophe effect the markets.

People can take advantage of human emotions to effect the markets.


So?





Only a complete ignoramous can't see that.

Everything that has happened has really happened.

Regardless of what your philosophy says.




You seem to assume facts not in evidence.

Capitalism has made the higher standard of living.

And it did most of that before the regulations. Regulations have kept us in the 1920's for a century and now it is going to get poorer.
edit on 11-4-2016 by Semicollegiate because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:50 AM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Get off the unicorn man.

Chances are you would have lived a short life before 1920.

Life was a living hell for most people

There was a very small middle class.

Most people had deadly or terrible jobs.

Most of the innovation and things you use to have a higher standard of living than anyone before you came after 1920.
edit on 11-4-2016 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 11 2016 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: elysiumfire


Capitalism is a parasitic ideology feeding on your minds and bending them to capitalism's will.


Capitalism made the food you eat and the computer and the Alphabet.

Capitalism is not always comforting in the short term, but in the long term it is the cause for everything that you need to live.





Capitalism has nothing to do with creating food. Unless your talking about TV dinners.

People have been eating food since they came to be.

Capitalism is just as responsible for cancer by that token then.


Capitalism causes cancer like hospitals cause crime. There are always more hospitals in cities, where the crime is.

Capitalism is the only reason there was no European Malthusian famine in the 1800's. Capitalism is the only reason there is enough food today.

Competition is uncomfortable for the competitors, but without lethal force regulations it is the default setting of business.
Corruption can't compete. In a free market the only corruption would be somebody charging a little bit more than the natural rate of interest and profit. When he charges too much, and people pay it, he will get new competition.

Horus bought up a good point. Why isn't there horse meat at the grocery store?

Because the consumer rules the market.


Hey maybe famine is like the free market. A necessary population correction.

We have created a monoculture. We are at a very big risk of having a very real disaster with food now.

Not because of the market like you say. Because of human ingenuity.

Half of the things you prescribe to the market came from human igenuity which has been progressing since we evolved from archaic humans.

The seperarion of church and state was the biggest factor in accelerated human achievement.


The free market provides true relative information about the world and by its action solutions are found even when no one person thinks of them or does them.

Excerpt from I Pencil


Here is an astounding fact: Neither the worker in the oil field nor the chemist nor the digger of graphite or clay nor any who mans or makes the ships or trains or trucks nor the one who runs the machine that does the knurling on my bit of metal nor the president of the company performs his singular task because he wants me. Each one wants me less, perhaps, than does a child in the first grade. Indeed, there are some among this vast multitude who never saw a pencil nor would they know how to use one. Their motivation is other than me. Perhaps it is something like this: Each of these millions sees that he can thus exchange his tiny know-how for the goods and services he needs or wants. I may or may not be among these items.

No Master Mind

There is a fact still more astounding: the absence of a master mind, of anyone dictating or forcibly directing these countless actions which bring me into being. No trace of such a person can be found. Instead, we find the Invisible Hand at work.




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