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Capitalists - you really don't see a problem?

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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Who eliminates big corps in an anarchistic capitalist state? The market itself?


Yes.

New technology gives new competitors an advantage. Also smaller companies are more flexible and can specialize easier.

Bulk and economies of scale are great for every consumer when they offer the beat deal.

Bulk and economies of scale are not always responsive or specific enough to consumer wants.

And the money system would have no fractional reserve inflation. Credit would be limited, every investment would have to by run by an entrepreneur.
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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

The confusion lies in the ideal of a perfect situation without the need to recognise mankind has some issues around greed and power that exist. Which is the true meaning of regulations. However they get implemented OS a seperate arguement. We first need to agree man can be corrupted. In which case they will conspire. If you pretend it doesn't happen you get terrible results.


Agreed.
Before Conspire was made a tin foil hat word by a clandestine operation in the 70's
i would not even say it is a conspiracy when human nature is sufficient to explain the corruption and urge for more wealth and power at others expense.

The Collusion and Corruption within Banking and Big Business in this country is staggering
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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Well no Government has a definition. Thats how language works. The word has a meaning based on definitions. It can even change with common ussage.


What it can't do is be changed by anybody so they can use it in an arguement.

Otherwise I can just go ahead and call the free market socialism. Just so I can have a crappy poorly thought out debate where my soul purpose is to fight with my opponent rather than use reason and back up claims.


The rough definition of a government is,

It has the power to tax,

It has the power to make law,

It can kill legally at its own discretion.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Is that on Nibiru or planet earth?



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Really. From websters? Or consensus.

Is this a script? It's a lot like one of those telemarketing scams.
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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:05 PM
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The free market caused the industrial revolution. It did not do any of the negative things though. It's only good.


The free market works to remedy the bad things in the order of the average man's perception of them.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Really. From websters? Or consensus.

Is this a script? It's a lot like one of those telemarketing scams.


When the UN can directly tax and maintain a force strong enough to enforce its mandates it will be a government.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

But does it happen?

It doesn't and whatever the reason for it not happening really doesn't change the fact that it doesn't. Yes it's sheeple, government, propaganda, tv, flouride in the water and vaccines, or, as luthier has pointed out, people are people.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

It's definitely in need of serious changes.

Which is why I can critique capitalism. It requires perfect situations of robots without greed to not have regulations. Even just basic ones to deal with corruption.

The free market capitalists completely disregard human nature. I wish we could have a free market. I wish a lot of things though.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

It already is a government. What does that prove?

Not a thing.

Nobody in this debate so far has even argued the things you keep bringing up except that your living in an idealistic dream world.


It's on the other end of Bernie Sanders dream world.

Personally I have no ill feelings for sanders. I think he is the best choice left.

1 he can't do crap with a Republican Congress. The last thing we need is an effective president.

2 he is the only one bringing awareness to campaign finance and lobb y power.

3 the rest of the field is so bad I would consider voting for a socialist over the fascist.
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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

It already is a government.


No it isn't a government because it can't enforce its mandates. Its troops are donated.

It is a coordinator for one world government types.





Nobody in this debate so far has even argued the things you keep bringing up except that your living in an idealistic dream world.


Your system that lives on Trillions of debt is the dream world.


Capitalism would not have that debt. Not even a little bit.




It's on the other end of Bernie Sanders dream world.

Personally I have no ill feelings for sanders. I think he is the best choice left.

1 he can't do crap with a Republican Congress.
Like Obamacare didn't pass?



The last thing we need is an effective president.


Generally I would agree. The only exception is a president who would eliminate gov programs.




2 he is the only one bringing awareness to campaign finance and lobb y power.

3 the rest of the field is so bad I would consider voting for a socialist over the fascist.


Trump might reduce the size of gov. That is not Fascist.

Trump did say he would bring our troops home (excellent) or make the locals pay for them. (OK)



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Semicollegiate

But does it happen?

It doesn't and whatever the reason for it not happening really doesn't change the fact that it doesn't. Yes it's sheeple, government, propaganda, tv, flouride in the water and vaccines, or, as luthier has pointed out, people are people.


You don't know that it happens or not. I don't feel like writing a book for you.

Ford almost went out of business when people paid more for cars that came in colors other than black.

IBM blew off microcomputers and missed out on a whole new market.

If not for the FDA there would be hundreds or thousands on new biotech companies.

Sheeple have no reason to become people. The gov will confiscate the difference.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
You don't know that it happens or not. I don't feel like writing a book for you.

Nobody asked you to write anything.

If it hasn't happened then it hasn't happened, what's left to argue?

No amount of excuses or fingerpointing on your part is going to change that.


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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

My government? We haven't really talked much about that have we?

I believe in capitalism with law to protect against ethical issues.

I believe in no fed and a commodity backed dollar. No fiat money.

But it doesn't really matter what I believe because it may be wrong in practice. Just like the free market never does what Austrian school says. With every excuse in the book as to why.

Trump is the very definition of fascist. Which literally is an ultra nationalist. He definitely has no idea how to govern and isn't a particualry good bussiness man or ethical.

Sure he didn't loose the 100's of millions he was gifted in his 20's. He is a real estate man. Big deal. We aren't talking an innovator here.

How did Obama care pass? Same way all the other crony capitalism passes. He worked with the insurance industry who owns all the politicians.

The single most important thing right now is to get rid of lobby power.

Trump would not shrink the government nor does he have any power to do so.

As far as military goes he would more than likely throw a tantrum when someone doesn't agree and get us in a Bush war. Who to this date is the most damaging and largest government growth president since FDR.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
You don't know that it happens or not. I don't feel like writing a book for you.

Nobody asked you to write anything.

If it hasn't happened then it hasn't happened, what's left to argue?

No amount of excuses or fingerpointing on your part is going to change that.



You said it never happened. You don't know that.

A few facts now and then would be nice.

You rarely say anything.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: luthier


I believe in capitalism with law to protect against ethical issues.


Then there would be no ethics, only legality.

Evolution works out the details of what is fair. That is the only fair way to work them out.

Mostly, buyer beware. Seller be honest. All other guidelines will end in over regulation.

Like speak the truth, hear the intended meaning.


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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Thats is just plain untrue.

One government is required whether you like it or not.

Two government sets up the rules of the market whether you like it or not.

Three laws are necessary to stop cheaters before they do damage to society.

Four history time and again proves your last point completely and utterly false.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: luthier


Who to this date is the most damaging and largest government growth president since FDR.


Probably Nixon, went off the gold standard and decreed price and wage controls.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Sure a good arguement.

However the number of exec orders, the wars, and new law enforcement dept is pretty close.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Thats is just plain untrue.

One government is required whether you like it or not.

Two government sets up the rules of the market whether you like it or not.

Three laws are necessary to stop cheaters before they do damage to society.

Four history time and again proves your last point completely and utterly false.



The Fed has done more damage than any rules the gov may or may not have enforced, impartially or not, have given benefit.

WW1, WW2, the cold war and the great depression are pure gov.



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