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Capitalists - you really don't see a problem?

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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Ha. So did oligarchs, human rights violations, and disregard for the enviornemnt.

It took the government to come in and make corrections in the form of laws to stop it. The market as you predict never happened. It was not self correcting.




posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Yes I agree if that happened over night.

There would be an evolution over time of what constitutes socially acceptable behavior. Some coercion would be accepted until the day that all coercion is eschewed by civilization, like slavery was.

Sounds good but, would it happen?


However, in a non violent natural drift towards a free market the gov would simply get smaller and smaller until it reached its essential function or disappeared entirely.

But would it happen?


The point in favor of AnCap is: What possible non-violent coercion could be as bad as paying 10 years of work for nothing or getting drafted and slain?

The point against it is that it isn't likely to happen. Maybe imposible.


It happened in the US on the frontiers.

Natural cooperation.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: daskakik

Hey man the market will take care of the armed group of thugs that come and take your property.


Buy some toys.

Play with them.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: Semicollegiate

The example of a Large Corporation controlling a particular market is bad.
What is even worse, is when Multiple Large Corporations work together (rather than competing) to screw over the country and workers with trade deals like NAFTA or the TPP.

Capitalism is the voluntary exchange of goods, services and labor - Where was the labor input on these trade pacts?
The Constitution requires our country be run for these benefit of all citizens - Where was the citizens input on these trade pacts?

The politicians put in place to pass these trade pacts (written by corporations themselves) so they could see what is in them, had their campaigns bankrolled by these same corporations.

Majority of citizens have taxation without representation

What we have is worse than some rogue corporation owning a large part of the market in one sector


The large corporation is the pilot. The government is the ship.

Get rid of the government, what can the pilot do now?

Corps will always use gov better than you.

Make the gov smaller.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
It happened in the US on the frontiers.

Natural cooperation.

Did it? There was no social structure in these places?
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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: Semicollegiate


Capitalism is not a model. It is a description of what actually happened during the unprecedented rise in per capita wealth in the modern West.



This is a Good Propaganda Tag Line we used during the Cold War.
"We bankrupted the Soviet Union because our capitalist system is better than Communism."

One thing that is never mentioned though, is we were bankrolled by the world via the Petro Dollar, therefore we could print at will and export inflation. When you have a hold of other peoples wallet, of course you are going to outspend your nemesis.

We did not have Free Market Capitalism then either.


So how is that an indictment against Capitalism?

That was all gov.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
It happened in the US on the frontiers.

Natural cooperation.

Did it? There was no social structure in these places?


Voluntary social structure is natural cooperation.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
It happened in the US on the frontiers.

Natural cooperation.

Did it? There was no social structure in these places?


Voluntary social structure is natural cooperation.


Sure and the only example of it is where your property can be taken by force from larger or better armed people. Better read up on the wild west a bit.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Ha. So did oligarchs, human rights violations, and disregard for the enviornemnt.

It took the government to come in and make corrections in the form of laws to stop it. The market as you predict never happened. It was not self correcting.


Someday we will design and construct the environment. Lawns in the Sahara.

The gov pardoned the polluters. The polluters should have paid damages.

Your puerile history missed all of the parts where the market trend was towards the solution and gov stepped in and took the credit.

Poverty has increased since Welfare.


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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
It happened in the US on the frontiers.

Natural cooperation.

Did it? There was no social structure in these places?


Voluntary social structure is natural cooperation.


Sure and the only example of it is where your property can be taken by force from larger or better armed people. Better read up on the wild west a bit.


''taken by force from larger or better armed people" the gov, in other words.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
''taken by force from larger or better armed people" the gov, in other words.

No, that came after but, it was still happening before government.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Make the gov smaller.

Sure, let me just finish lunch and I'll get right on that.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
''taken by force from larger or better armed people" the gov, in other words.

No, that came after but, it was still happening before government.


No that is the gov, they promise it will never happen again.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Ha. So did oligarchs, human rights violations, and disregard for the enviornemnt.

It took the government to come in and make corrections in the form of laws to stop it. The market as you predict never happened. It was not self correcting.


Someday we will design and construct the environment. Lawns in the Sahara.

The gov pardoned the polluters. The polluters should have paid damages.

Your puerile history missed all of the parts where the market trend was towards the solution and gov stepped in and took the credit.

Poverty has increased since Welfare.


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Another great strawman arguement as well as assumptive causation.

You really should stick to the topic at hand. I haven't advocated for wellfare anywhere.

Or socialism.

Or against capitalism.

My arguement is against your piss poor arguements and idealistic view of how your philosophy works.

You have failed to project a single free market in history.

Nor have you explained how an anarchistic capitalist system could possibly work.

This is middle school stuff man.

Your idealization of your philosophy is every bit as bad as socialism.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Wow.

The bandits were the government.

What protects your free market from other governments?

Is North Korea and Saudia Arabia the same political structure as the US?

Or can you admit the chains are very different from place to place?



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
No that is the gov, they promise it will never happen again.

We are talking about coercion before government came on the scene in your AC Western romance novel.

So, no, that wasn't government.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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What protects your free market from other governments?


Superior technology and wealth is the defense.

Passive resistance is the only way to deal with occupiers.

The smarter occupiers will want to join in and cause more wealth to be made for themselves.

The free markets will win evolutionarily.

Looks like it will take another millennium or two.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
No that is the gov, they promise it will never happen again.

We are talking about coercion before government came on the scene in your AC Western romance novel.

So, no, that wasn't government.


"Its only gov when WE do it" says the gov.
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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Thats convienient for your arguement.


IE. It will never happen. Especially with the decay of ethics.

It's about as likely as Nibiru coming around and Jesus riding in on a white horse.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
"it only gov when we do it" says the gov.

Your the one trying to say that gov did not exist in the US frontiers. So did it or not?
edit on 9-4-2016 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



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