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Capitalists - you really don't see a problem?

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posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Your arguement is piss porr man.

It means nothing.

Religion came before science, crime before laws, on and on. Totally rediculous arguement.


Things precede other things therefore gov makes all good things.

That is your argument.




posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Yes it is.

Wel gravity has been proven but I still don't see proof for free markets.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: BO XIAN

This post is about capitalism... Not about all economic systems.

I believe corruption and greed find their place in all systems, right now we are dealing with the greed of multi national corporations along with a federal government. Our government represents businesses more than they do the people, and businesses represent themselves and care for profits more than the people that work for them, etc.

I'm not arguing that capitalism is the only system that will go bad. It's what we are dealing with, though.. I think adaptation, change needs to happen in any case. Replace the people within our government, write new rule and trade agreements, get rid of old ones, etc... Since capitalism got us in the current mess we are in, we probably need to try something new.

Maybe something more libertarian, maybe something more like social collectivism where we attempt to have a small but efficient government in which organizes the safety nets for us.

Or maybe something else altogether. A system in which helps create a more free market with less regulations, fair trade agreements, and is America-centric rather corporation-centric.

I'm advocating change - not specifically in one direction, but to keep blabbering about how capitalism is the best thing ever and how free and capitalistic America is won't help anyone. Things will stay the same, we will not progress if we think the current situation is the best we can do.

I don't think wage caps should exist but I do think a truly free market would certainly limit what wages a person could earn. If consumers were responsible and educated, monopolies or huge corporations couldn't exist. Profit gouging couldn't exist. If the people were educated that their dollar speaks much louder than any corporations business model.... Things would change.

Right now, we are taught that we are at the mercy of our Benevolent job creators. We are taught to be grateful for a minimum wage job, that we should be for scraps. This isn't a responsible society. We are not being responsible and collectively boycotting such conditions, we are not educated to know this is possible.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Well our friend hasn't read Roseau or Locke so that will just fly right over. Social contract is definitely part of the equation.

As is the whole principle of government. Our government and market was engineered by our forefathers. Something even Ron Paul talks about. (Whom I love by the way)



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: luthier
Well I look at it as an unachievable goal. You want to try to remain as free as possible with the understanding that reality sometimes means laws guiding economics are necessary.

They don't even have to be laws set up by a government, sorry students of the Austrian school.

Kowing that I can screw someone over in a deal and that they don't have a way to get back at me


Because getting back at you would involve the government?




allows me to coerce that person with no government involved.



QED
edit on 9-4-2016 by Semicollegiate because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate


Nope that is a strawman.

My arguement is very clear.

Philosophy guides man how to act. Action leads to how people create a market (and the government that creates laws that govern the market)



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Because getting back at you would involve the government?

There is no government in my example.


QED

Actually it was proof that it happens without government.
edit on 9-4-2016 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Yes it is.

Wel gravity has been proven but I still don't see proof for free markets.


Prove gravity.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Prove gravity.

Jump off a tall building and let me know if you are convinced.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Because getting back at you would involve the government?

There is no government in my example.


QED

Actually it was proof that it happens without government.


Nothing was proved by you.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Yes it is.

Wel gravity has been proven but I still don't see proof for free markets.


Prove gravity.


Here is one definition.
F = Gm1m2/r2,



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Prove gravity.

Jump off a tall building and let me know if you are convinced.


You haven't proved that is gravity.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Nothing was proved by you.

But the proof is still there.

Besides you are just trolling.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
You haven't proved that is gravity.

It's the effect of what everyone has agreed to call gravity.

You want to play semantics then that would probably explain why you never get what is being said.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
Yes it is.

Wel gravity has been proven but I still don't see proof for free markets.


Prove gravity.


Here is one definition.
F = Gm1m2/r2,


Maybe that is a specific case electricity. You haven't proved gravity.

Nice Fact though



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
You haven't proved that is gravity.

It's the effect of what everyone has agreed to call gravity.

You want to play semantics then that would probably explain why you never get what is being said.


you are semantics



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:41 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
you are semantics

No, I'm a free market, feel free to point at me when your placed in a corner by someone asking for an example of a free market.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

Hence why I said it is a definition.

As far as proof I can use this equation to make a real world prediction that I can replicate.

Which is a a heck of a lot better than you have provided with your philosophical ideas.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: luthier
As far as proof I can use this equation to make a real world prediction that I can replicate.

Like jumping off a tall building but he won't accept that.



posted on Apr, 9 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Good Point
It would be nice if someone could point out where True Free Market Capitalism exists in the world.
I can't name any one country.

In fact, I can't even name one country practicing the other economic systems either as they are written on paper.
Human Nature and Corruption always gets in the way



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