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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 08:51 AM
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A Young Turks Reporter seems to have found a Donald Trump supporter to speak to.


Just a few observation of many, from my perspective:

1. IMO, Donald Trump if full of BS

2. Y Turks are not exactly known as republican sympathizers. Which I'm not either BTW.

3. Shame is an effective tool in manipulating group thought.

IMO I can easily see how she was planted or they specifically looked for the most idiotic trump supporter on purpose , with a goal to make people embarrassed to be a trump supporter.

Also appeasing your target market doesn't hurt.
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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: and14263
The real problem is not the population, it's the rubbish the media feeds them which manipulates their brains.


I disagree... There comes a time when the "manipulated masses" must take SOME responsibility for their own willingness to listen to talk radio and watch mainstream media and absorb and believe it...

We, the people are NOT victims of media, we are willing subjects in our own manipulation.

We are all responsible for what we choose to absorb and believe.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

In which case there is no point in advertisements - because we would all choose not to be influenced by them.

The psychology of influencing minds is a real thing - most people do not have the choice on what they choose to absorb.

If anything, it is down to our parents to teach us how to sort the wheat from the chaff and learn the tricks of the media.

You're wrong here. But I respect your point of view.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy


I am not saying that we don't need to get those guys out of Congress, I am saying that it is pretty much impossible. They do have a stranglehold on power. Watch some Independent, Libertarian or Green Party candidate sometime. It isn't that there aren't any, they just don't go anywhere. Many can't even get on the ballot in a lot of districts because of stumbling blocks put there by the R's and the D's. They work together to keep everyone else out as much as they can.


Are you saying we shouldn't even try and we should just keep voting the bad guys in again and again? Bernie was an independent, and he has been in Congress for many years, so it is possible.

It is up to us, the people, to stand up to the corrupted and say that we won't vote for them. It is up to us to demand that ballots include other party candidates. We have been too complacent for too long, because we think we can't make a difference. It's what they want us to think.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Reminds me of a lot of the same kinds of things we saw from Obama supporters when he was running.


Yes.

I have often been reminded of Obama supporters when reading and hearing Trump supporters.

"Un-PC!" has replaced "Hope and Change!"

I loathed Obama supporters, in general, and thought no group could be as easily led as they are. I was wrong. And it's even more troubling because I think it's so obvious that Trump intends to help democrats win.

Many Trump supporters decried Obama because he had no real record and his life narrative seemed to be an invention born from 'Audacity of Hope' and 'Dreams From My Father.' They claim(ed) he was a socialist obfuscating his views.

Trump actually has a record and it says he is a socialist pretending to be a republican. But that doesn't seem bother them, at all. Neither do all the idiotic, polarizing things that fly out of his mouth and turn off major voting blocs -- they call it 'being un-PC,' I call it 'throwing an election.'.

The stupidity is unnerving.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:08 AM
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If you try hard enough you kind find someone to say what you want them to say to make your point.

The media is corrupt.

I have seen news people on the right interviewing Bernie supporters to show they are stupid and know nothing about his policies. But if you have common sense you see it for what it is... media picking and choosing who to interview and who gets on the air.

Btw, these Trump supporter attack threads are getting tiresome. You dont see Trump supporters flooding with attack threads. Although that would be easy to do.

If anything, those attacking Trump and Trump supporters are the ones who are misinformed and drinking the koolaid the media is dishing out



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: and14263

So, if a person goes out and buys a car that they can't afford, it's because they were "brainwashed" by the advertisement and hold no responsibility themselves? The ad is to blame, not them? Sorry, I disagree.

You say that "most people do not have the choice on what they choose to absorb." Really??? Do they HAVE to own a TV? Do they HAVE to tune it to MSNBC or FOX? Do they HAVE to turn on the radio and listen to Rush Limbaugh for 3 hours? Do they HAVE to read every word of the media? Give me a break with this "don't have a choice" business! That's total victim speak!

Part of the problem of the society is that everyone wants to be a victim. And Donald Trump leads the pack! The RNC is "treating him unfairly". FOX is "treating him unfairly". Anyone who treats him "unfairly" - he threatens to sue or take some other action against, claiming he "doesn't have a choice"...

We are thinking adults. WE ABSOLUTELY DO HAVE A CHOICE. We just CHOOSE to absorb all the noise.

My parents have been dead for 30 years and I have learned the tricks of the media just fine by taking responsibility for what I absorb and believe.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I am not corrupt. Bernie Sanders is not corrupt. It is possible to live your life in society without being corrupt. You will never get rid of the urge for some to work the system, but you can make it very difficult for them to do so.

The other option is to allow or encourage corruption. Is that your solution?


you or Bernie are not in a position of power...

Once you get there...your morals will be of little use.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
They are both angry at the status quo.

The elite R's and D's will retain their stranglehold and nothing will change.



They aren't angry about squat. They are running as two-party candidates.

If Trump was actually angry at the status quo, he would have run as a third party candidate and he would have easily gotten that magic 5% of the vote to help tear down the two-party system. It's not like he needed the republican funding.

Since day one, he's done nothing but bash the GOP. Obviously, he hates the party. Why didn't he run for a third party? Because he loves the status quo.



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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I am not corrupt. Bernie Sanders is not corrupt. It is possible to live your life in society without being corrupt. You will never get rid of the urge for some to work the system, but you can make it very difficult for them to do so.

The other option is to allow or encourage corruption. Is that your solution?



All it takes is one corrupt move and he is stuck in a system of government corruption. Not even just a corrupt something Bernie may have done, but his wife even. If they can blackmail you on one thing -- you are trapped to do their corrupt bidding. Bernie may be a swell guy, but no one can convince me he is too perfect to be trapped.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy
I think that the attraction of Donald Trump AND Bernie Sanders all boils down to portions of the electorate that are angry. They are both angry at the status quo.

The elite R's and D's will retain their stranglehold and nothing will change.



They aren't angry about squat. They are running as two-party candidates.

If Trump was actually angry at the status quo, he would have run as a third party candidate and he would have easily gotten that magic 5% of the vote to help tear down the two-party system. It's not like he needed the republican funding.

Since day one, he's done nothing but bash the GOP. Obviously, he hates the party.


I am speaking of the portions of the electorate being angry, not the candidates themselves. Their anger is the reason why they are supporting the candidates.
Trump and Bernie are both campaigning on changing things. The things that they say they will change has gotten to ear of those people that are fed up with the way things are.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Good for you that you have learned not to absorb the BS.

Unfortunately others are not so clever.

I won't argue on this, psychology used by media, people in power - it's all proven to influence the sub conscious.

Keep up your strong mindedness, it's good for you.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy
I think that the attraction of Donald Trump AND Bernie Sanders all boils down to portions of the electorate that are angry. They are both angry at the status quo.

The elite R's and D's will retain their stranglehold and nothing will change.



They aren't angry about squat. They are running as two-party candidates.

If Trump was actually angry at the status quo, he would have run as a third party candidate and he would have easily gotten that magic 5% of the vote to help tear down the two-party system. It's not like he needed the republican funding.

Since day one, he's done nothing but bash the GOP. Obviously, he hates the party.


I am speaking of the portions of the electorate being angry, not the candidates themselves. Their anger is the reason why they are supporting the candidates.
Trump and Bernie are both campaigning on changing things. The things that they say they will change has gotten to ear of those people that are fed up with the way things are.


When a candidate is running as a democrat or republican and someone supports them because the candidate says they will change the status quo..that is the epitome of stupid. Of course they won't bring any good change.

It's a guarantee of more of the same.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: butcherguy


I am not saying that we don't need to get those guys out of Congress, I am saying that it is pretty much impossible. They do have a stranglehold on power. Watch some Independent, Libertarian or Green Party candidate sometime. It isn't that there aren't any, they just don't go anywhere. Many can't even get on the ballot in a lot of districts because of stumbling blocks put there by the R's and the D's. They work together to keep everyone else out as much as they can.


Are you saying we shouldn't even try and we should just keep voting the bad guys in again and again? Bernie was an independent, and he has been in Congress for many years, so it is possible.

It is up to us, the people, to stand up to the corrupted and say that we won't vote for them. It is up to us to demand that ballots include other party candidates. We have been too complacent for too long, because we think we can't make a difference. It's what they want us to think.


No, I never said that.
I said that to get any change will be damn near impossible, in so many words.
Congress has had negative favorability ratings for years.... and nothing has changed.
See my last line in my first post in this thread:



If we went to the only other option for acting on our grievances, demonstrating against TPTB, I will guarantee you that they will shoot us.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy
I think that the attraction of Donald Trump AND Bernie Sanders all boils down to portions of the electorate that are angry. They are both angry at the status quo.

The elite R's and D's will retain their stranglehold and nothing will change.



They aren't angry about squat. They are running as two-party candidates.

If Trump was actually angry at the status quo, he would have run as a third party candidate and he would have easily gotten that magic 5% of the vote to help tear down the two-party system. It's not like he needed the republican funding.

Since day one, he's done nothing but bash the GOP. Obviously, he hates the party.


I am speaking of the portions of the electorate being angry, not the candidates themselves. Their anger is the reason why they are supporting the candidates.
Trump and Bernie are both campaigning on changing things. The things that they say they will change has gotten to ear of those people that are fed up with the way things are.


When a candidate is running as a democrat or republican and someone supports them because the candidate says they will change the status quo..that is the epitome of stupid. Of course they won't bring any good change.

It's a guarantee of more of the same.

I never said that anyone supporting Bernie or Donald is smart.
I absolutely hate the crop of candidates that were available for this election cycle.
All of them.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy
I think that the attraction of Donald Trump AND Bernie Sanders all boils down to portions of the electorate that are angry. They are both angry at the status quo.

The elite R's and D's will retain their stranglehold and nothing will change.



They aren't angry about squat. They are running as two-party candidates.

If Trump was actually angry at the status quo, he would have run as a third party candidate and he would have easily gotten that magic 5% of the vote to help tear down the two-party system. It's not like he needed the republican funding.

Since day one, he's done nothing but bash the GOP. Obviously, he hates the party.


I am speaking of the portions of the electorate being angry, not the candidates themselves. Their anger is the reason why they are supporting the candidates.
Trump and Bernie are both campaigning on changing things. The things that they say they will change has gotten to ear of those people that are fed up with the way things are.


When a candidate is running as a democrat or republican and someone supports them because the candidate says they will change the status quo..that is the epitome of stupid. Of course they won't bring any good change.

It's a guarantee of more of the same.


That's why you have to look at their history. Have they been fighting the status quo all along, or have they been part of the status quo all along?

Bernie has been fighting political corruption and the corruption of the 1% for over 30 years. Trump has been part of the status quo his whole life. He sells products manufactured outside of America. He has admitted donating money to politicians in order to get what he wants out of government. He has taken advantage of the laws that bail out the wealthy - laws that were bought and paid for by people just like him. I just don't see how he has a record of fighting the status quo.

One candidate has a history of being genuine, the other does not. If you want positive change, is it stupid to vote for the genuine one or the disingenuous one?



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: butcherguy
I think that the attraction of Donald Trump AND Bernie Sanders all boils down to portions of the electorate that are angry. They are both angry at the status quo.

The elite R's and D's will retain their stranglehold and nothing will change.



They aren't angry about squat. They are running as two-party candidates.

If Trump was actually angry at the status quo, he would have run as a third party candidate and he would have easily gotten that magic 5% of the vote to help tear down the two-party system. It's not like he needed the republican funding.

Since day one, he's done nothing but bash the GOP. Obviously, he hates the party.


I am speaking of the portions of the electorate being angry, not the candidates themselves. Their anger is the reason why they are supporting the candidates.
Trump and Bernie are both campaigning on changing things. The things that they say they will change has gotten to ear of those people that are fed up with the way things are.


When a candidate is running as a democrat or republican and someone supports them because the candidate says they will change the status quo..that is the epitome of stupid. Of course they won't bring any good change.

It's a guarantee of more of the same.

I never said that anyone supporting Bernie or Donald is smart.
I absolutely hate the crop of candidates that were available for this election cycle.
All of them.


Ok, I am on board with that. =)



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Unfortunately, Bernie is a democrat as of 2015. And that is sad because he carries their garbage now.

His record is just 'meh.'

But, I would have voted for him if he didn't join the DNC. Now he cannot be trusted because the DNC is pure corruption.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: reldra

Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?
You should watch it some time.



posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy


I said that to get any change will be damn near impossible, in so many words.
Congress has had negative favorability ratings for years.... and nothing has changed.


That's because it's easier to answer a survey than it is to research your candidates and show up to ask the tough questions.
I think things are starting to change during this election, and I credit Bernie more than Trump for that.


See my last line in my first post in this thread:



If we went to the only other option for acting on our grievances, demonstrating against TPTB, I will guarantee you that they will shoot us.



Now that's some fear mongering right there.



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