Limbaugh: Brokered Vs. Contested GOP Convention.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Totally understand your frustration with the GOP's mess. If I'd venture a guess, I'd say Rush secretly wants a complete meltdown, where fallout is assured annihilation of the current conservative establishment. Rising like the Phoenix in 2020...a new party/movement put together and heavily influenced by Rush - there's the conspirator angle.

More realistically, this is totally uncharted territory and no one could possibly come out of this mess clean, so Rush's crystal ball is riding the pine. Staying on the sidelines for 2016. A self-declared socialist or Hillary Clinton will be enough of a dumpster fire to get a turd sandwich elected in 2020. Bite down on your mouthpiece and suck it up for 4 years and you could still push the needle. Putting your support behind the decision to continue on the GOP's self-inflicted death kneel prolly takes you into retirement. Rush is too canny to make that mistake.

a reply to: ketsuko


Maybe, it's been my timing. Shrug.

I haven't heard many Trumpeters while I've been listening....hell, I can't recall even one...LOL. Been dialing the number dozens of times trying to get through to rebut a caller or Rush, himself. Not once have I been able to say, 'finally' a caller that rebuts...again could be a fluke....


I have heard Rush call Cruz the closest thing to Reagan since Reagan, (Actually, as many similarities Between Trump and Reagan as Cruz and Reagan, in my mind.)

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originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: nwtrucker

Rush is a Conservative 100%, but he has zero Republican GOP weight on things for 30 years now.
He will vote Republican...but only out of necessity to defeat Dems.

Agreed. Here's my beef with Rush-and it's relatively new-his 'anyone rather than let the Dems win'. On the surface, I see and agree with the logic. BUT, and it's a big one. all it's doing now is locking me into the Establishment selection for President and no change is forthcoming unless WE change it. Period.

It should have been Giuliani Vs. Hillary and Giuliani would have WON. He'd have carried N.Y. State and their, what?, 47 electoral college votes!

The Republican Establishment gave us Obama instead of Giuliani!

I don't know about you but that is unforgivable....LOL.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

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originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: nwtrucker

Rush is a Conservative 100%, but he has zero Republican GOP weight on things for 30 years now.
He will vote Republican...but only out of necessity to defeat Dems.

Agreed. Here's my beef with Rush-and it's relatively new-his 'anyone rather than let the Dems win'. On the surface, I see and agree with the logic. BUT, and it's a big one. all it's doing now is locking me into the Establishment selection for President and no change is forthcoming unless WE change it. Period.

It should have been Giuliani Vs. Hillary and Giuliani would have WON. He'd have carried N.Y. State and their, what?, 47 electoral college votes!

The Republican Establishment gave us Obama instead of Giuliani!

I don't know about you but that is unforgivable....LOL.

We were shang-hied by Bush W is how I summarize your sentiments.

a reply to: nwtrucker

That is his sentiment, but he isn't saying that will happen with a brokered convention. He's spoken out against very strongly because he knows as does anyone else with half a brain that it will lose and he says as much.

He doesn't like the elites anymore than you or I do and he's been plain about it. He has made a clear division between teh establishment and the rest of the party for a while now, and he knows and has said that any convention shenanigans will NOT be in favor of either Cruz or Trump and that Kasich is still deluded into thinking he will come out of the convention as the nominee too.

Rush DOES want to beat the Democrats, but not so much he thinks the elites will pull a magic Reagan out of their hat. He will go either Trump or Cruz and I think that is clear.

Except your listening to Rush Limbaugh. A blowhard who does what his corporate overlords tell him to do. If you really listen to Rush Limbaugh, you'll see that he's a con man. Very unintelligent and he's a traitor to this country. His job, and he's paid to do it, is to divide us into left vs right. If you really listen to him, you'll see that most of the time he just spouts nonesense and innuendo. asking questions with no answers to make you think he's on to something.

How anyone could possibly listen to that retard is beyond me.

The GOP can really play this two ways, no matter what they do they are losing the White House so they need to decide what their goal is.

With Trump they lose and the lose big time, the Senate, the House, state and local elections. The DNC will dominate the nation from top to bottom for at least 4 years. That is a terrible short term. However, with Trumps historically bad performance he and his supporter would cease to be relevant in the GOP or politics at all. In theory they could purge the party of nutters who have becomes its mouth piece for the last decade and get back to being Reagan style Republicans that moderates do not find repulsive. The climb back to being a true national party would be a hard one but, if they could do it the GOP could get back in the game in a decade or so.

If they have a brokered convention putting in Cruz only gives them a slightly better result than Trump. No point in that. While someone like Ryan would help make things a little competitive save the house and limit damage in the Senate. So while the GOP would suffer losses it would not be a total disaster. However, this way Trump could stick around and blame all his problems on the GOP and declare he would have won, you know the normal Trump nonsense.

So your choice if your the GOP is go with Trump and face one of the worst whoopings in US history and rebuild the party after purging the Trump elements or broker it, reduce the damage but, still have Trump around to cause problems.

Not sure what the best choice is for them. Either way its is going to be a painful few years for the GOP.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Rush is as relevant as parachute pants or big hair. The only people listening to him are the ones who don't have to worry about our mess in twenty years.

a reply to: MrSpad


Curious. How does one 'purge a political party'? Perhaps one should follow the Democrat lead and marginalize and force to leave anyone 'moderate' or for strong defense
or fiscal responsibility?

In my case, I've been already 'purged'. The trouble with your purge is there won't be enough left in the Republican Party to call it a party!

You keep the same message that the Dems win the election, pointing out Cruz and Trump's popularity numbers. You may be right. Still, I, and many others on this site, believe there's a long way to go and your assessment is pre-mature.

I, for one, would rather go down with someone that is outside the machine, at least to some degree, than 'save the Republican Party' when the whole country is going down.

That's the intent of this thread, not Republicans or who is the nominee. That is the reason for my support of Trump and I suspect many others, not popularity, rather national survival.


You seem rather blind to that.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: nwtrucker

Rush is as relevant as parachute pants or big hair. The only people listening to him are the ones who don't have to worry about our mess in twenty years.

Yep, about as relevant as integrity, honesty, morals and God Bless America. Totally irrelevant.

The rest of your post? The only reason I care is due to my daughter and my grandchildren's future, otherwise I'd laugh my head off and let you have your future of 'relevance'...you've earned it.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: MrSpad


Curious. How does one 'purge a political party'? Perhaps one should follow the Democrat lead and marginalize and force to leave anyone 'moderate' or for strong defense
or fiscal responsibility?

In my case, I've been already 'purged'. The trouble with your purge is there won't be enough left in the Republican Party to call it a party!

You keep the same message that the Dems win the election, pointing out Cruz and Trump's popularity numbers. You may be right. Still, I, and many others on this site, believe there's a long way to go and your assessment is pre-mature.

I, for one, would rather go down with someone that is outside the machine, at least to some degree, than 'save the Republican Party' when the whole country is going down.

That's the intent of this thread, not Republicans or who is the nominee. That is the reason for my support of Trump and I suspect many others, not popularity, rather national survival.


You seem rather blind to that.

You purge them by refocusing in the tradition GOP platform. Small Gov, less taxes etc. and ending the crazy talk about building walls, banning people, encoring other countries to get nukes and telling people that everything is somebody else fault.

The DNC has become the party of the center. So it has problems on its left enter Sanders. The GOP has become the party of the extreme right so it had problems with its moderates and traditional Republicans.

As for Trump and Cruz losing and some how turning it around, the problem is they have been losing General election polling since the both entered the primary. And losing by a decent margin. That number has continued to grow to now where Trump has the worst numbers recorded. Cruz does very poorly as well but, better than Trump. With Trump the DNC is going to put money into GOP strong holds like Georgia, Utah and Texas because Trump those states are now in play and would either force Trump to waste money in places he should have tied up or lose them as well.

And really that should come as no surprise. Outside of insulting the military, women, minorities, the disabled etc. Who in the general population is going to vote for somebody who wants to start trade wars which would devastate the economy. Or how many American think we should be encouraging more nations to get nukes? Does he have any policy that most Americans think makes any sense? He can not walk all that back and start from scratch.

4 in 10 GOP voters in Wisconsin said the were scared about what Trump would do it office. And 1 in 3 say they will leave the GOP if Trump or Cruz are the nominee. It is not that Clinton is a good candidate that is popular across the board, the fact is people see Trump as a threat to the nation and will vote for anybody to keep him out of office. Which is why with Trump running 25% of the GOP say they will vote for Clinton or Sanders.

So while you might think Trump or Cruz have a chance the GOP has to deal with reality on the ground. The reality is the GOP is falling with a 60% disapproval rating while Obama's numbers are rising. They have two candidates who each only get 25% of their own parties support and are hated by Independents and Democrats. The gap between them and DNC nominee continues to grow. The only way Trump or Cruz could make advances would be to completely turn on their bases and go after the center.

If your the GOP this primary is a disaster and all they can do is try and limit the damage.

a reply to: MrSpad


I stopped reading your post when I got to the Dems are the party of the center.......LMAO. The hubris of the left knows no bounds.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: MrSpad


I stopped reading your post when I got to the Dems are the party of the center.......LMAO. The hubris of the left knows no bounds.

Democrats are further to the right than most nations conservative parties. They very much are the center.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: MrSpad


I stopped reading your post when I got to the Dems are the party of the center.......LMAO. The hubris of the left knows no bounds.

If you think the Democrats are a left leaning party then you must be coming from the extreme right. Sanders is a reflection of the DNCs move to the center. The left is feeling left out and with good reason.

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a reply to: MrSpad

"Extreme right", "Center", "left".

Redefining, the mainstay of the cultural manipulation. JFK would be in your camp of extreme right. You label the most socialist movement in the history of the U.S. as the 'center'.

Redefine marriage, 'equal', 'rights'....on and on, redefining.

Let me give a different look at what 'center' is. Balance. Social programs on a state by state level, as intended by the Constitution. Fiscal responsibility, defense of the nation-that includes borders, by the way-tariffs....so on.

That's my 'center'. You would paint that as extreme right.

Now that I'm rested, late night too exhausted to address the more obvious disagreements with your 'post'. First, the Republican Party has run on those points/campaign rhetoric and won both houses and the majority of state gov'ts. FACT. With no results, also fact.

We've chased that particular carrot on the stick and it will no longer work. That's a critical point you omit. It won't work with me and it won't work with Trump's '35%'.

If you are right, and the Dems win, sobeit. The egg is broken. A third party will result. Your vision of the republican party is already DOA and you don't see it.

Whether Trump is involved in that evolution or not isn't germane. He has been the catalyst. My thanks for that service Trump has provided.

a reply to: Aazadan


You can see my response to that laughable view to MrSpad. Measuring the U.S. Left with the rest of the world, lock-step one world supporters(?), and their mediocre forms of Gov't is pure spin and political positioning. (I have to call it as I see it, sorry.)


I would not have the U.S. stoop to those levels....

a reply to: nwtrucker

Left vs Right isn't about balance. It's a measurement of acting for a group vs the individual. The US is rather far to the right, democratic socialism would actually be rather close to the center. Concepts like borders have nothing to do with left or right, but with authoritarianism vs anarchy, it's a 2d chart.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: nwtrucker

Left vs Right isn't about balance. It's a measurement of acting for a group vs the individual. The US is rather far to the right, democratic socialism would actually be rather close to the center. Concepts like borders have nothing to do with left or right, but with authoritarianism vs anarchy, it's a 2d chart.

The U.S. center, at least until recently, was based on the Constitution-I know, I know, you've been educated on the subject- to wit: The individual rights were protected by the curtailment of Gov't. Hair-splitting aside, that was our 'center'. (More or less agreed and adhered to by both parties. That's the balance I refer to.)

The individual was free to flourish or succumb based on his or her efforts and fortuitous events. Positioning the U.S. with foreign concepts-which people are leaving daily to the tune of one million per year legally entering the U.S.-is pulling that freedom down to their level...that of protected serf in a traditional feudal system. (Of course they love it. A vast improvement over their previous lot.)

I suppose it's based on one's priorities. Mine must be obvious. So are yours.