Wisconsin Primaries -- April 5, 2016

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Bramble Iceshimmer

Agreed - that too.
The negative spin on ads and in the media, with Trump getting attacked from all sides, is outrageous. They are twisting things and driving people to hate him without intelligent reasoning.

Tonight there was an African American on a news show (don't remember his name), and he was blasting Trump, loudly and obnoxiously, calling him a racist. He has some kind of radio show where he is repeating this non-stop. Bill O'Reilly asked him repeatedly for one quote from Trump that showed he was racist. The guy evaded, and yelled over him - and could not come up with a single quote. And O'Reilly calmly told him that in all the years he has known Trump, he has never heard him say a single disparaging remark about a group based on race. O'Reilly tried to once again show that the racist label was falsely spread because Trump wanted to protect the country from illegal immigration and terrorism - having nothing to do with race.

The lies being spread by the media and others are infuriating.

I saw that too - the guy couldn't name a single thing to support his claim. Unfortunately the media barrage has worked though and I think they have once again decided the election. We're getting the same in the UK over Brexit - with the added bonus of a leaked document revealing our markets are going to be crashed on purpose near the referendum to create panic.
It's orchestrated but there just is not a high enough percentage of people awake to stop it right now... maybe in 2020 if its not too late by then. I fear it might be by then.

As for the US elections - given the margin of the Cruz win and some polling this morning, it looks all but over for Trump. No chance at the convention, so his only option will be 3rd party. Basically I think any presidential chance was killed last night, but at least he has managed to bring the growing anger and unrest with a corrupt govt. and special interests to the surface in a way no one before has. He's taken it one step further than Ron Paul did (someone I am quite disappointed in actually this year)

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: tadaman
This is a blatant steal.

Who the hell supported cruz? No one. A minority.

It should have been Trump. The sham continues.

Start a new party or run solo.

This is complete BS.

Its not even realistic.

GOP and DNC are my enemies from now until I die.

All th enews organizations keep calling WI a winner take all state. not exacly true. the winner gets twelve. the winner of 8 districts gets 8 the last bit get th e remaining delegates. But yes i t looks like cruz got his buddy walker to fix this one fo r him. Trump won th e smaller places in WI bu t cruz go t the cities.

Cruz took 36 delegates last night, Trump took 6.

Trump is deathly quiet since losing. I can imagine some things thrown around his house!

originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: xuenchen

Where are our Sanders suppoters...have they faded away so soon?

I thought they would last longer than three months!!

No, we're still around. We just like to participate with posters that bring facts to the table and want to have an intelligent debate. Not debate against meme's and one-liners that do nothing but attack the opposition, are usually false, and wastes everyone's time.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Dear lord no. My pocketbook cannot handle a Bernie presidency. We would go bankrupt. It doesn't matter that we would hypothetically be receiving free stuff. It wouldn't compensate us for all we'd lose in taxes out of our income.

Oh, I know. Just because I think Bernie is The Chosen One, it doesn't mean I want him to win.

And I don't think people would be getting anything out of the deal -- certainly nothing free. The ACA is a perfect example of how the people are being robbed blind by the corrupt scammers in Congress.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Yeah, I still don't see your point with regard to my 'prediction

You mean clearly IGNORING two polls in both New York and California where Clinton is leading Sanders.

I'm not ignoring them. I am saying the tide is going to change. Bernie has the momentum. Congress and the Establishment want Bernie.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: neo96

I'm not sure how that refutes what I think is going on, but ok.

The HuF Po is Soros and media matters financed.

Meaning LEFT WING as it gets.

Yeah, I still don't see your point with regard to my 'prediction.'

I don't believe that Soros or the media are ever going to hint that Bernie is eyed favorably by the 'Establishment.' Not in this political climate. No way.

What they will do is try to mislead voters.

Soros is financing Clinton. Therefore all his groups are behind Hillary. To see who the Democratic candidate will be , all you have to do is look at who George is putting his money on...that fact goes back to Bill at least (if not further)

I use a different formula:

Biggest spending plan + biggest tax hike to grow the biggest government = The Chosen One.

ETA: At some point, time will tell if i am correct or not. If I am, I doubt anyone will admit it. Instead, they'll convince themselves that the voters beat the Establishment when nothing could be further from the truth.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I don't know about the establishment but I know lots of private citizens. My friends have been going to Bernie rallies who never attended political events before. I'm pretty sure it is their own decision to support Bernie.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I don't know about the establishment but I know lots of private citizens. My friends have been going to Bernie rallies who never attended political events before. I'm pretty sure it is their own decision to support Bernie.

I'm sure it is their decision. I know many Bernie supporters, too.

And, for some completely unfounded reason, they are convinced that Congress will actually spend $18 trillion to help Americans.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think you have a misconception about why Bernie is supported. No one believes he can accomplish anything with current congress. We are hanging on to the hope there will be a more working House and Senate voted in. If not, then all we can hope is that Bernie will preserve our rights like ACA and women's reproductive rights. With the current congress it will be chasing its tail again and the president will be chasing his/her tail with vetoes.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Biggest spending plan + biggest tax hike to grow the biggest government = The Chosen One.

My equation:

Biggest special interest campaign financing
+ willing to keep the same Oligarch friendly system in place
+ Focusing on the symptoms of corruption versus corruption
= The Chosen One.


They got plenty of your tax dollars already what they want is more control so they can make more money.

If the Oligopolies control gov't and gov;'t controls the people and the rules for the market:Then in essence they have full control of the consumers and the market = License to print money.


IMO Hillary is the chosen one for 3 reasons.

1. She fits all the variables in the equation.

2. She is to well connected and egotistical to run a second time without guaranty of a win.

3. More importantly this election is about making Obamacare irreversible .

The healthcare insurance lobbyist spent a lot of money ,time , and resources to create Obamacare and they don't want that repealed. Its not that the republicans will repeal it because they wont, its just easier for the public to swallow with a Democrat at the helm when that fate of Obamacare is sealed.

Bernie Sanders has actively decried Obamacare and has stated that he wants to get rid of the insurance companies involved with it while Hillary has praised it. Sure Bernie could lie and not do it but again that would be harder for the public and his supporters to swallow.

Top 3 healthcare insurance lobbyist earnings after obamcare became active. Notice that nice almost 45 degree incline.



Hence IMO the chosen one is Hillary who has a history of playing and focusing on the right agenda and loves Obamacare.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think you have a misconception about why Bernie is supported. No one believes he can accomplish anything with current congress. We are hanging on to the hope there will be a more working House and Senate voted in. If not, then all we can hope is that Bernie will preserve our rights like ACA and women's reproductive rights. With the current congress it will be chasing its tail again and the president will be chasing his/her tail with vetoes.

Gridlock is a lie. A scam. A means to give the People watered-down, crappy legislation that lines the pockets of the Elite 1%.

Congress will never stop faking gridlock because the two parties are in collusion.

My prediction is that the DNC won't be the only ones delivering Bernie, The GOP and Trump will, too -- with a brokered convention and Trump splitting from the party to fracture the conservative vote so badly, Bernie will win with a mandate....

...a mandate for Congress to spend, spend, spend.

ETA: And no one will blame Trump. But it's always been the plan. I could see that the GOP and Trump were in cahoots back in September...well actually, from the beginning.

But I definitely saw it when Trump backdated his GOP loyalty pledge and the GOP knew it: Trump backdated his pledge because he is a political dirty trickster

a reply to: interupt42

Hillary could be The Chosen One. If I had to pick anyone else except Bernie, it would be Hillary.

But I still think it's Bernie. And I think there is one thing Hillary can be trusted with: Manipulating elections for The Chosen One. Just like she did, in 2008, when she left her name on the Michigan ballot while Obama removed his. She won the popular vote and reserved the right to take her fight to the credentials committee after the DNC gifted Obama with 600,000 votes cast for her in Michigan.

Instead, she rolled right over, allowed the DNC to disenfranchise 600,000 of her voters, and hopped aboard the Obama-train. She threw her full support behind the party, not her supporters.

I see what she did there.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Yep , she is a very slimy team player made out of Vaseline coated teflon . Just the way they like the chosen one to be ,when they stick it further into the majority of Americans so they don't realize what is happening.



IMO Her taking the fall in 08 was part of the deal for her nomination on 2016.

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Yep , she is a very slimy team player made out of Vaseline coated teflon . Just the way they like the chosen one to be ,when they stick it further into the majority of Americans.

She wasn't the Chosen One, in 2008. And I don't think she is now either.

The Chosen One doesn't have to be thoroughly diabolical -- they just need to have done enough to trap them in a system of government corruption. One wrong move is enough for blackmail.

Bernie may be the man his record says he is..but no one is good, all the time. And Jane Sanders may not have been good all of the time either. One corrupt move is all it takes.

ETA: In other words, I think Bernie has the exact right track record to make all of the Establishment's dreams come true.

originally posted by: interupt42
IMO Her taking the fall in 08 was part of the deal for her nomination on 2016.

It could be, but I don't think so.

If she was The Chosen One, this email scandal wouldn't have dominated the headlines for a year.

What's unfortunate for Hillary is very fortunate for Bernie. I don't think that was just a coincidence.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Your theory of the establishment's total control is way out there, but plausible. This is mine, cause of what I see. Historically, young people have not paid much attention to national elections and just about 0 to local ones. The marijuana, abortion isssues with local laws have changed that consciousness. I can see big changes coming and republicans should find a way to cash in on that demographic with no racial identity and stigmas.

The state I am moving to shortly, Idaho. The 65+ population has grown in percentage, the younger has decreased. That is why property taxes are high in Idaho, no good jobs for the income tax. The younger are leaving except mormons.

I don't thin the establishment can control demographics. Gerrymandering will become an extinct method of winning an election.

originally posted by: interupt42

Hence IMO the chosen one is Hillary who has a history of playing and focusing on the right agenda and loves Obamacare.

The elite (aka The Establishment) are Fabian socialists. Bernie's policies, history, and plan fit the bill even better.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'm pretty sure the establishment and congress want Hillary. Those pre-pledged super delegates says a lot about who they want.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Your theory of the establishment's total control is way out there, but plausible. This is mine, cause of what I see. Historically, young people have not paid much attention to national elections and just about 0 to local ones. The marijuana, abortion isssues with local laws have changed that consciousness. I can see big changes coming and republicans should find a way to cash in on that demographic with no racial identity and stigmas.

The state I am moving to shortly, Idaho. The 65+ population has grown in percentage, the younger has decreased. That is why property taxes are high in Idaho, no good jobs for the income tax. The younger are leaving except mormons.

I don't thin the establishment can control demographics. Gerrymandering will become an extinct method of winning an election.

I know it may seem out there, but I have my reasons for being confident in my theory, too. I am not going into this without years of hard work researching and writing open records requests that led me to this conclusion.

It's not just about controlling demographics -- especially during the primary. There are other things working for Bernie, but yes, the young vote is easily led -- they were in 2008, too.

But during the general election, we will see how Trump's attempts to alienate every minority voting bloc and women will work against conservative voters.

Remember that Bush only won, in 2000, because of 537 Florida votes. The hispanic population has grown by 50% since then, in Florida. There is no way that any conservative is going to win Florida and that's going to make it all but impossible for a conservative to win the general election. I think this was all carefully designed.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'm pretty sure the establishment and congress want Hillary. Those pre-pledged super delegates says a lot about who they want.

The superdelegates can change their support to reflect voter preference. And they will if the tide shifts to Bernie. I am not distracted by the superdelegates.