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originally posted by: yuppa
If a illegal trys to send a WU then they should be held and turned over to ICE.
I dont care if they got a family back home. same as they dont care about mine.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: gator2001
Conservatives are the most hypocritical, not you personally (I don't know you) ... easiest low-hanging fruit to pick as evidence... constantly railing about smaller government, less intrusion into people's lives ... yet, constantly in favor of new laws/controls/regulations/invasions as long as it satisfies a prescribed "hot button" issue as fed by the right-wing media.
A little stretch up the tree but not much ... advocating for low-cost business practices (cheap undocumented labor) that maximize profits ... until one gets caught.
Etc. etc.
Oh, and for the record THIS is not "a wall, a big wall, across the whole southern border" by any reasonable means:
Amends the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to direct the Secretary to provide at least two layers of reinforced fencing, installation of additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors extending: (1) from ten miles west of the Tecate, California, port of entry to ten miles east of the Tecate, California, port of entry; (2) from ten miles west of the Calexico, California, port of entry to five miles east of the Douglas, Arizona, port of entry (requiring installation of an interlocking surveillance camera system by May 30, 2007, and fence completion by May 30, 2008); (3) from five miles west of the Columbus, New Mexico, port of entry to ten miles east of El Paso, Texas; (4) from five miles northwest of the Del Rio, Texas, port of entry to five miles southeast of the Eagle Pass, Texas, port of entry; and (5) 15 miles northwest of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry to the Brownsville, Texas, port of entry (requiring fence completion from 15 miles northwest of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry to 15 southeast of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry by December 31, 2008).
HR 6061 109th Congress
To be more specific:
The US and Mexico share a common border of about 2,000-miles (3,200-km). As of February 10, 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 651 miles of fencing out of nearly 652 miles mandated by Congress, including 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 352 miles of pedestrian fence.
www.globalsecurity.org
Hint: One version is somewhat reasonable and mostly completed ... one is ludicrous, absurd and unnecessary.
Conduct humane, targeted immigration enforcement. Hillary believes immigration enforcement must be humane, targeted, and effective. She will focus enforcement resources on detaining and deporting those individuals who pose a violent threat to public safety, and work to ensure refugees who seek asylum in the U.S. have a fair chance to tell their stories.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: gator2001
You seem to be taking everything personally ... the post that you're responding to was addressed to everyone, not you.
Do you ever hear Mr. Trump talk about involving Congress? Does he talk about supporting legislation through Congress on any of these issues? If so, could you quote that, because so far, to my knowledge, he hasn't. He has repeatedly and consistently spoken as if the thinks the President is like a CEO who makes arbitrary decisions on his own that are unquestioned.
I refer to any of the 99% nonsensical dribble that makes up the average Trump Stump Speech.
What exists now, as I pointed out as a result of the legislation that you're trying to make equivalent to the Trump Great Wall nonsense, is border fence with surveillance equipment. Have you actually read what HR 6061 mandated? I linked it above.
Carter did not "ban all Iranians:" Snopes
In a broader context of an ongoing, direct conflict between Iran and the United States, Carter announced immediate sanctions on Iran, which included a cessation of diplomatic relations, a prohibition on trade, and assessment of previously-frozen Iranian Government assets. Along with several other sanctions, Carter ordered the cancellation of Iranian-U.S. visas and a moratorium on new visas, with exceptions for humanitarian and otherwise compelling situations.
For the record, Iran is a Sovereign State ... Islam is a religion. Not the same.
Dude, with satellites, drones and other tech -- we can keep an eye on the border without a stupid wall.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Dude, with satellites, drones and other tech -- we can keep an eye on the border without a stupid wall.
A huge wall is just some juvenile over-compensation thing ... that appeals to people insecure with their masculinity.
It's not unlike the tiny 4 foot tall guy driving a huge monster truck to try and earn "respect". Its sad, pathetic and ridiculous.
originally posted by: gator2001
Exuse me? Your post was directed at everyone and thanked everyone in advance for answers. I said I was not arguing, just trying to answer. I guess your post wasnt for everyone, as you say. You are just rude.
originally posted by: gator2001
Look..."cancellation of visas and moratorium of new visas." What does that mean to you? Do you know what "cancellation" and "moratorium" mean? What better word than ban represents what that says? What word? Tell me. Enlighten my ignorant self. That is a ban and everyone that can read knows it.
originally posted by: gator2001
You strike me as the type of person that would argue with me if I said the sun came up this morning. You would be THAT person. You would say "actually...it is the earth's rotation around the sun. The sun is not actually moving." Yeah...you would be THAT person.
originally posted by: gator2001
Islam is a religion? No...when did that happen? The principle is the same: cancelling and denying visas to a certain set of people.
lowest common denominator mouth breathers
You'd have to be dense
Just admit you're racists
you're still literally a moron
backwards logic
backwards morals
you wouldn't rather kill people
you'd be the first person to send someone to Mexico solely on the color of their skin
YOU PEOPLE
simple minded
idiotic voters
racists don't know their racists
backwards
the stupidity
people like you.
appeals to people insecure with their masculinity.
sad, pathetic and ridiculous
brain dead Trump voter
ignoring all common sense and all rational thinking
just because you don't like brown skinned people
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: yuppa
So if we replace the illegals with hi-tech areoponic and hydroponic systems, that still doesn't give jobs back to Americans. One guy can operate an automated greenhouse.
Illegals are't stealing jobs, they're taking advantage of opportunities US companies and business owners are providing.
If people in America stopped hiring them, they'd stop coming here.
The fact is though -- America's economy RELIES on cheap labor to function. Americans would simply not be able to afford many things if the cheap labor went away.
What's ironic is Republicans have ALWAYS been all about cheap labor and somehow figuring out a way to get immigrants into the USA and working for peanuts. It's good capitalism!
originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
originally posted by: yuppa
If a illegal trys to send a WU then they should be held and turned over to ICE.
I dont care if they got a family back home. same as they dont care about mine.
So now we are requiring everyone to carry around their ss card, huh? Genius. And I suppose we'll have to swear in the poor minimum wage worker at the service counter at the local Kroger or Walmart who does WU, so he or she can detain people.
Amazing the stupidity of it all.
And that wall? I don't care if Trump was elected tomorrow, it never gets built.
originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: yuppa
Seismic sensors used in AREA 51,s fencing system work wonders on telling where a intruder is. and we could plant explosives along the ground under the wall to prevent digging.
What would the explosives be/do exactly?