North Carolina Loses 400 Jobs as PayPal Pulls Facility over ‘Bathroom Bill’

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: tadaman

It's already a federal law that you can't discriminate trans people from using the bathroom they identify with. Do you not get this?

NO, its not.

Only if you are a Federal Employee.

There are no federal anti-discrimination LGBT laws in this country (except as a Federal employee).

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: ketsuko

Again your from the UK? There are unisex bathrooms everywhere in Europe.

Nope, from the US, and I think the family restroom is the answer, but it's not about that. Transgender have been offered family or unisex facilities and turned them down as "discriminatory" here in the states. They WILL compel us to accept them in the restrooms of their choice or nothing similar to how gays will compel everyone to accept their marriages and participate or nothing.

There is no concept of accommodation.

a reply to: Annee

Well what is the Title 7 EeOC ruling then?

Title 8 as well.
www.mlive.com...

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: ketsuko

Again your from the UK? There are unisex bathrooms everywhere in Europe.

Nope, from the US, and I think the family restroom is the answer, but it's not about that. Transgender have been offered family or unisex facilities and turned them down as "discriminatory" here in the states. They WILL compel us to accept them in the restrooms of their choice or nothing similar to how gays will compel everyone to accept their marriages and participate or nothing.

There is no concept of accommodation.

Not necessarily true.

LGBT will not be FORCED to use special designated restrooms.

There is no issue with them using a family restroom. But, it is discriminatory to FORCE them to only use a specifically designated restroom.

a reply to: ketsuko

I'm sorry but it seems to me that single occupant bathrooms would be more secure, regardless if they were open to either sexes, explain to me why they wouldn't be?? I mean it's not like the boy's room in the school isn't right next door the girls rooms in most schools is it. a single occupant bathroom, with a locking door would be the most secure, even for the kids to a point... the only way I say to a point is that I can see kids locking themselves in and refusing to come out if they are mad at mommy or daddy!

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Annee

Well what is the Title 7 EeOC ruling then?

Title 8 as well.
www.mlive.com...

Federally they must be treated equal as anyone else.

In other words, they can not be fired for the same reason a straight person can not be fired. If the reason applies to a straight person, it also applies to an LGBT person.

But, (at this time) discrimination laws for LGBT are by state. (unless you are a federal employee).

Some states have zero LGBT protection. An LGBT person can be fired just for being LGBT

a reply to: dawnstar


Pay Pal has no class. Something like this amounts to extortion or right on the verge. Not the first time we have seen this and not the worst case.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: dawnstar


Pay Pal has no class. Something like this amounts to extortion or right on the verge. Not the first time we have seen this and not the worst case.

Really sucks people have to be forced to treat people equally.

Doesn't it.

Oh look - - the Governor of Mississippi just signed into law the same thing as NC - - only worse.

Miss. Gov. Signs Sweeping Anti-LGBT 'Religious Liberty' Law

YAY! RELIGION

The first-of-its-kind law will take effect in July, and allow businesses, individuals, and religiously affiliated organizations to deny service to LGBT people, single mothers, and others who somehow offend an individual's "sincerely held religious belief." It also directly targets transgender residents, effectively claiming that one's sex assigned at birth is immutable, and will be the only gender recognized by the state.

www.advocate.com...

a reply to: Logarock

pay pal can chose to set up their shop where ever they wish to, and well, if they decide that a new law that is passed in the state is not to their liking, they also have the freedom of speech and can explain why they have opted out of their plans!!!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: TheBulk

no, I am just a really curious person who would like to know how they are planning to handle that one...
your side on the other hand, appears to want to legally force this person:

i.imgur.com...

into the lady's restroom, since well, that person was born a women!!!

That person was born and woman and continues to be a woman. Your indulgence of her disphoria not withstanding.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Annee

Well what is the Title 7 EeOC ruling then?

Title 8 as well.
www.mlive.com...

Federally they must be treated equal as anyone else.

In other words, they can not be fired for the same reason a straight person can not be fired. If the reason applies to a straight person, it also applies to an LGBT person.

But, (at this time) discrimination laws for LGBT are by state. (unless you are a federal employee).

Some states have zero LGBT protection. An LGBT person can be fired just for being LGBT

From the article
Federal law settles debate over transgender students and bathroom use, advocates say

The reason: Title IX, the civil rights law that protects students from sex discrimination in K-12 districts that receive federal funding, extends to transgender students.

So the state of NC may loose federal funding for schools and roads over this. The NC law is in direct conflict with public schools and public funding for universities.
mobile.nytimes.com...

a reply to: Annee

Oh, well, then why am I compelled to use the ladies' room? Maybe because I am a lady.

If they are transgender and it is physically/mentally ambiguous, they should be relegated to the unisex or family restroom.

If some of us are put in designated rooms and it is not discrimination, then it isn't discrimination to assign them a room either.

a reply to: Logarock

Well, it ain't just PayPal.

BREAKING: More than 80 Major CEOs, Business Leaders Urge North Carolina Repeal Discriminatory Law

120 Major CEOs & Business Leaders Urging North Carolina To Repeal Discriminatory Anti-LGBT Law

Karen Appleton, Senior Vice President, Box
Brandee Barker, Cofounder, The Pramana Collective
Marc Benioff, CEO, Salesforce
Chip Bergh, President and CEO, Levi Strauss & Co.
Michael Birch, Founder, Blab
Ed Black, President and CEO, Computer & Communications Industry Association
Nathan Blecharczyk, Cofounder and CTO, Airbnb
Steven R. Boal, CEO, Quotient Technology Inc.
Ron Boire, CEO, Barnes and Noble
Lorna Borenstein, CEO, Grokker
Jim Brewer, Vice President of Government Affairs, American Society of Interior Designers
Brad Brinegar, Chairman and CEO, McKinney
John Bryant, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Kellogg Company
Wes Bush, Chairman, CEO and President of Northrop Grumman
Mike Cannon-Brookes and Scott Farquhar, co-CEOs, Atlassian
Lloyd Carney, CEO, Brocade Communications Systems, Inc.
Brian Chesky, CEO, Airbnb
Emanuel Chirico, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, PVH Corp.
Ron Conway, Founder and Co-Managing Partner, SV Angel
Tim Cook, CEO, Apple
Paul T. Dacier, Executive Vice President and General Counsel, EMC Corporation
Dean Debnam, Chairman and CEO, Workplace Options
Jack Dorsey, CEO, Square and Twitter
David Ebersman, Cofounder and CEO, Lyra Health
Jared Fliesler, General Partner, Matrix Partners
Vince Forlenza, Chairman, CEO and President, BD
Joe Gebbia, Cofounder and Chief Product Officer, Airbnb
Jason Goldberg, CEO, Pepo
Alan King, President and COO, Workplace Options
Kristen Koh Goldstein, CEO, BackOps
Mitchell Gold, co-founder and chair-man, Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams
John H. Graham IV, President and CEO, American Society of Association Executives
Logan Green, CEO, Lyft
Mike Gregoire, CEO, CA Technologies
Paul Graham, Founder, Y Combinator
David Hassell, CEO, 15Five
Charles H. Hill III, Executive Vice President, Worldwide Human Resources, Pfizer Inc.
Reid Hoffman, Chairman, LinkedIn
Robert Hohman, Cofounder & CEO, Glassdoor
Mark Hoplamazian, President and CEO, Hyatt Hotels Corporation
Drew Houston, CEO, Dropbox
William H. Howle, President of U.S. Retail Banking Group, Citibank
Steve Huffman, CEO, Reddit
Chad Hurley, Cofounder, YouTube
Dave Imre, Partner and CEO, IMRE
Dev Ittycheria, President & CEO, MongoDB
Laurene Powell Jobs, President, Emerson Collective
Michael O. Johnson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Herbalife
Cecily Joseph, VP Corporate Responsibility and Chief Diversity Officer, Symantec Corporation
Steve Joyce, CEO, Choice Hotels International
Travis Kalanick, CEO, Uber
David Karp, Founder and CEO, Tumblr
Travis Katz, Founder and CEO, Gogobot
Brian Krzanich, CEO, Intel
Joshua Kushner, Managing Partner, Thrive Capital
Michael W. Lamach, Chairman and CEO, Ingersoll-Rand plc
Jeff Lawson, Founder, CEO and Chairman, Twilio
Max Levchin, CEO, Affirm
Dion Lim, CEO, NextLesson
Shan-lyn Ma, CEO, Zola
Vishal Makhijani, COO, Udacity
Tom Mangas, CEO, Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide
Bill Maris, CEO, Google Ventures
Marissa Mayer, President and CEO, Yahoo
Melody McCloskey, CEO, StyleSeat
Douglas Merrill, CEO, Zestfinance
Dyke Messinger, President and CEO, Power Curbers Inc.
Steve Mollenkopf, CEO, Qualcomm Inc.
Brian Moynihan, CEO, Bank of America
Hari Nair, Vice President and General Manager, Orbitz.com & CheapTickets.com
Christopher J. Nassetta, President & Chief Executive Officer, Hilton Worldwide
Michael Natenshon, CEO, Marine Layer
Alexi G. Nazem, Cofounder and CEO, Nomad Health
Alexis Ohanian, Cofounder, Reddit
Laurie J. Olson, EVP, Strategy, Portfolio and Commercial Operations, Pfizer Inc.
Bob Page, Founder and CEO, Replacements, Ltd.
Doug Parker, Chairman and CEO, American Airlines
Mike Pedersen, CEO and President, TD Bank, N.A.
Michelle Peluso, Strategic Advisor and former CEO, Gilt
Sundar Pichai, CEO, Google
Mark Pincus, Founder and Executive Chairman, Zynga
Hosain Rahman, CEO, Jawbone
Bill Ready, CEO, Braintree
Evan Reece, CEO, Liftopia
Stan Reiss, General Partner, Matrix Partners
John Replogle, CEO, Seventh Generation
Chuck Robbins, CEO, Cisco Systems
Virginia M. Rometty, Chairman, President and CEO, IBM Corporation
Dan Rosensweig, CEO, Chegg
Kevin P. Ryan, Founder and Chairman, Alleycorp
Bijan Sabet, General Partner, Spark Capital
Julie Samuels, President, Engine
George A. Scangos, PhD, CEO, Biogen
Paula Schneider, CEO, American Apparel
Steve Schoch, CEO, Miramax
Dan Schulman, President and CEO, PayPal
Howard Schultz, Chairman and CEO, Starbucks
Adam Shankman, Director and Producer
Gary Shapiro, President and CEO, Consumer Technology Association
David A. Shaywitz, MD, PhD, Chief Medical Officer, DNAnexus
Behshad Sheldon, President and CEO, Braeburn Pharmaceuticals
Ben Silbermann, CEO, Pinterest
Brad Smith, President and Chief Legal Officer, Microsoft
Arne Sorenson, President and CEO, Marriott International
David Spector, Cofounder, ThirdLove
Jeremy Stoppelman, CEO, Yelp
John G. Stumpf, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Wells Fargo & Company
Julie Sweet, Group Chief Executive North America, Accenture
Bret Taylor, CEO, Quip
Todd Thibodeaux, CEO, CompTIA
Brian Tippens, Vice President, Chief Diversity Officer, Hewlett Packard Enterprise
David Tisch, Managing Partner, BoxGroup
Nirav Tolia, Cofounder and CEO, Nextdoor
Kevin A. Trapani, President and CEO, The Redwood Groups
Mark Trudeau, President and Chief Executive Officer, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals
Ken Wasch, President, Software & Information Industry Association
Casey Wasserman, Chairman and CEO of Wasserman & President and CEO of the Wasserman Foundation
Bob & Harvey Weinstein, Co-Founders and Co-Chairmen, The Weinstein Company
Devin Wenig, CEO, eBay
Tim Westergren, Founder and CEO, Pandora Media, Inc.
Mark Zuckerberg, Founder and CEO, Facebook

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ketsuko

I'm sorry but it seems to me that single occupant bathrooms would be more secure, regardless if they were open to either sexes, explain to me why they wouldn't be?? I mean it's not like the boy's room in the school isn't right next door the girls rooms in most schools is it. a single occupant bathroom, with a locking door would be the most secure, even for the kids to a point... the only way I say to a point is that I can see kids locking themselves in and refusing to come out if they are mad at mommy or daddy!

I'm personally for single locking stalls in a clearly visible location.

Now, think MONEY. What would be the cost of redesigning all the restrooms in the UISA?

Store front space is expensive because of exposure. Should we give restrooms the store front space and tuck the business somewhere in the back?

Also, any locked door is a place of privacy. You will have homeless sleeping in the stalls. You will have drug dealers doing business in the stalls. You will have prostitutes doing their business in the stalls.

I know, cuz that's exactly what happens in the restrooms at the beach here.

Practicality says - - just get over it. Everyone has to pee.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ketsuko

I'm sorry but it seems to me that single occupant bathrooms would be more secure, regardless if they were open to either sexes, explain to me why they wouldn't be?? I mean it's not like the boy's room in the school isn't right next door the girls rooms in most schools is it. a single occupant bathroom, with a locking door would be the most secure, even for the kids to a point... the only way I say to a point is that I can see kids locking themselves in and refusing to come out if they are mad at mommy or daddy!

They are and a lot of places have them and nothing bars anyone from using them whether you are using them for family reasons or not.

I've used the family restroom myself a time or two for convenience and privacy reasons. My husband and I have also used one when we need to take our young son to the potty, too. No one gets upset either way, so the idea of expecting the family restroom to be the designated restroom for transitioning transgenders would be the common sense approach.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: TheBulk

no, I am just a really curious person who would like to know how they are planning to handle that one...
your side on the other hand, appears to want to legally force this person:

i.imgur.com...

into the lady's restroom, since well, that person was born a women!!!

That person was born and woman and continues to be a woman. Your indulgence of her disphoria not withstanding.

How would you know that was a woman, just from looking at them?

a reply to: snowspirit

What about the inverse?

Do you really think it is safe to send a physical woman into a restroom with a bunch of men? I am thinking of some of the travel stops I've been at ... not sure it would be safe for any physical female no matter how butch she looked.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: kaylaluv

Yet there is a real danger where kids undress in front of adults attracted to their gender for them to be molested.

I will not let a man be alone with my daughter in the bathroom. If she is, I will tell her to treat him like a rapist and F him up. Maybe he can cry about gender violence after. I wonder how often that happens for this simple reason.

No one is risking themselves over this mess.

Sorry. Common sense and the real world.

Show an example of this being a widespread problem, and then maybe you'll have a point. Right now, you appear to be heavily speculating based on fear and ignorance though.

first, show the unavailability of bathrooms to be a widespread problem.

Will you spend the extra $15000 to renovate your business and build a bathroom for the 1% of people who are transgender and somehow cannot deal with bathrooms the way they have been for the last 80 years?

Perhaps there can be a government subsidy for this, paid for by those rich folk.

a reply to: ketsuko

I think if it looks like a woman, and I can't tell the difference, then she should use the woman's rooms.
I would not feel completely safe using a men's room, and most trans females dress more feminine than I do, and wear more makeup than me also. They should be using the women's room if there's no family or gender neutral rooms.