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How can we get the majority to focus on the only issue that is relevant? Don't Vote, protest 2016?

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posted on Apr, 6 2016 @ 09:37 AM
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Got a list?


I pick on republicans because its easier to expose their corruption not because they are more corrupt but because their Ideals are based on smaller gov't and more individual rights which is the opposite of what an Oligarch gov't controlled wants.

GOP Endorsed candidates:
1. Choosing quasi socialism over the free market when they thought it was a good idea to use tax payers money to bailout private companies.

2. Republicans siding with Big Gov't when they chose to squash state rights and make it illegal for a State to decide if it wants to label GMO products.

3. Republicans have never significantly cut taxes within numerous decades.

4. Republicans have created bigger gov't when they created Homeland Security.

5. Squashed Americans rights to privacy with the partiot act

6. The only regulations they care about undoing are the ones that are good for the consumer. For example they went full retard with wanting to undo net neutrality principles which allowed the internet to become the success that it is today by giving the little guy equal voice to the Oligarch.

7. GOP making OBAMACARE issue number then turning around and endorsing the guy who not only implemented obamacare 1.0 but also praised it for his state.

We could go one and one and also with the Democrats, but Larry Lessig and the Princeton Study are pretty good indicators why the GOP and the DNC should ONLY be focused on the following six issues :

1. Congregational term limits

2. campaign financing reform.

3. Lobbying reform

4. doing away with super-pacs

5. Revolving door between gov't and private sector

6. Transparency





Voters Silenced By Big Money




posted on Apr, 6 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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I can agree with that. Though I think the problem is even simpler. People are good at spotting fraud when it's happening to someone else. But they're blind to it when it's happening to themselves.

Others are usually the first to notice when a loved one's significant other is shady, when a loved one is getting caught up with the wrong crowd (like cults), and if a loved one's "business opportunity" is too good to be true. We seem to be really good at criticizing others, but suck when presented with the same situations in our own lives. It's like we've nearly mastered the art of observation, but not the art of interactions. Or something like that.

I do think fixing corruption is the major issue. And I can agree with the steps you listed. But I don't see how we;ll be able to do that until we get the snakes out of office first. And going by my earlier examples, new "reformers" may still make the same corrupt "mistakes" if they get in office.

For example, suppose it take 2 months for a member of the House of Reps to get adjusted into their job. A group of new reformer candidates all get elected and they want to make the changes you just mentioned. After the adjustment period, they start composing major bills that tackle these issues and vow to implement these changes, no matter what.

Well, first they've got to become members of the correct House committees, otherwise they can't present bills on that matter. Then they have to get those committees to pass the bills, otherwise the bills aren't eligible to be voted on by the rest of the House. Then they must convince the Speaker of the House to present those bills for a final vote (the Speaker is the only one who can decide which committee bills get presented for a final vote by the House).

Let's assume the Speaker cares about the public's support for these reformers, so he/she decides to allow their bills to go for a vote. But first, they have to vote on the other major bills, like the President's budget, military spending bills, etc. What happens if it takes their entire term for the reformers' bill to get voted on? Should they refuse to run for a 2nd term because it goes against their vow of term limits?

Because even if the House votes to pass that "reform" bill, the exact same bill has to pass in the Senate. And then the President has to sign it into law. If the House and Senate don't pass exact versions of the same bill, a committee of members from both chambers works on a compromise bill. Then both chambers of Congress re-vote on this compromised bill before sending it to the President. As you can guess, this process may take a lot longer than a 2 year House of Reps term. And every other Congressman will have a chance to add amendments to alter the bill, for better or for worse.

Edit to Add: I honestly think this is where even many well meaning candidates get caught into becoming career politicians. "Just one more term and I can finally finish what I started". And before you know it, they've been in office for 3 terms. And the constant threat of facing a well funded challenger probably pushes them to compromise with powerful donors and lobbyists. After all, it would suck to get 75% of the "reform bill" completed only to lose their party's nominations and have that bill thrown away. I honestly think that's where a lot of the corruption happens.
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posted on Apr, 6 2016 @ 10:52 AM
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I can agree with that. Though I think the problem is even simpler. People are good at spotting fraud when it's happening to someone else. But they're blind to it when it's happening to themselves.

absolutely and better way to state it.





I do think fixing corruption is the major issue. And I can agree with the steps you listed. But I don't see how we;ll be able to do that until we get the snakes out of office first.


Yeah its a catch 22, but I'm certain that neither the GOP or the DNC will be of help to get focus on corruption.

Hence why I think the key is to get the majority of the individual GOP and DNC supporters to focus on those 6 things. Then in return those same majority can demand their party or candidate focus only on those things and hold them to the fire if they don't.


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posted on Apr, 6 2016 @ 12:40 PM
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I really REALLY like where you're going with this OP, and I appreciate your focus on solutions. Something very sadly lacking in society as a whole, and on ATS in general. Your suggestions are an excellent start. We have to look at all the ways "they" are empowered and "we" are disempowered and reverse that.

Here are a few more suggestions:

~~~ Re-criminalize ALL government lies/propaganda

~~~ Prohibit congress from exempting themselves from laws; Prohibit congress exempting anyone from any law (if anyone has a right to be exempted, then everyone has that same right... if only a few have that "right," then it's really just a "privilege."

~~~ Exempt whistleblowing of criminal acts from all nondisclosure/confidentiality clauses

~~~ Require every proposed legislative bill include the Constitutional foundation for every law in accordance with social contract (i.e., every law must promote the general welfare and rights of ALL, not the few)

~~~ Prohibit civil asset forfeiture unless/until convicted by a jury of their peers after due legal process

~~~ Prohibit sale/gifting of military equipment to law enforcement agencies

~~~ Repeal the Patriot Act and the NDAA

~~~ Require that every jury on every criminal case be advised of their right to jury nullification

~~~ Remove congress' ability to grant themselves pay raises/perks; establish congressional pay/perks as equal to the average worker in the USA

~~~ Establish national voter ballot initiative process



~~~ Establish voter approval process for any/all major legislation (such as Obamacare)

~~~ Repeal income tax on all earned income



posted on Apr, 6 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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Understood in regards to your sensitivity of terms, nothing wrong with that. The Alien reference was in regards your previous reference of not associating citizens and people with my reference to masses.


Actually I'm not sensitive regarding terms personally. I'm sentitive regarding what the usage of certain terms may imply as a connotation. And the term "masses" has a connotation of implying a lack of individuality, being a mere amorphic conglomerat devoid of personal responsibility. That's what I'm talking about. If you are un-aware what the connotations of certain terms are you're using, you better become conscious of it. And no, I'm not a pc-chick. You can call me, personally, any name you want to. But calling large groups of people "masses" is just inappropriate. That's all I'm saying.




However my feelings for voting for a third party doesn't change the fact that the DNC ,GOP, and the MSM have the power and resources to make that almost impossible.


The important term here is "almost". I, personally, am a huge fan of voting for what one stands for and not voting for what one thinks, or assumes, might be the best vote strategically. If you're a social democrat, for example, than vote for that party. If you think environmental issues are most important, then vote for a green party. THAT is how it works...in a true real democrasy. There are more than just two options in a democrasy, my friend.

And once again: Indeed, corrupt people create corrupt systems, who then create corrupt people by being a part of such corrupt system.

No offense. Just clarification regarding "who is who and what is what" is my intent.



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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 08:37 AM
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I really REALLY like where you're going with this OP, and I appreciate your focus on solutions.


Thank you I'm glad I'm not the only one that understand that you need to concentrate on the real issue to fix a problem and not the symptoms.

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I'm actually not even worried about solutions at this time. I'm just trying to see what we can do to get the majority to simply focus on the Right problem and ask the right questions.

Sadly many don't comprehend that a Mafia selected henchmen, is not going to likely fix your issues with crime nor provide you real solutions.

Instead the henchmen is gong to get you to chase your tail and focus on the symptoms rather than the fact that he and his organization are the ones giving the orders to execute those crimes.

Its just so crazy to me how people ignore the underlining issue and yet expect real solutions from those with conflict of interests????




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posted on Apr, 7 2016 @ 09:16 AM
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I don't get it either. My best guess is that folks figure people corrupted the system so those people can to fix the system. And it's true -- but the people who corrupted the system won't fix the system!

Unfortunately, it seems the corrupt thoughts have trickled down to the people now, and it's quickly becoming a free-for-all. We don't seem to have any guiding principles anymore. I'm not sure enough people want anything corrected; they just want to "fix" it for themselves and will follow anyone they think will do it for them.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 09:39 AM
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I really like where you're going with this. Campaign finance reform is important, but it's only part of how they get away with what they do. We also need to restrict their power and increase our power.

1. Prohibit congress from exempting themselves -- or ANYONE -- from any/all laws passed.

2. Require every bill presented to Congress explain it's Constitutional foundation and justification.

3. Require the public posting of all bills presented to Congress for a minimal period before Congress voting on it.

4. Establish congressional salaries/benefits at the median income level of the rest of us.

5. Repeal any/all laws pertaining to crimes against government or government agents/officials.

6. Establish a system by which the people can approve/rescind any major legislation passed by congress.

7. Establish a federal ballot proposition procedure that would empower the people to pass and overturn laws.

8. Establish a grand jury process that would allow the people to independently investigate, charge and prosecute government officials.

9. End the individual income tax on earned income; establish flat tax on corporations and unearned income.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 10:00 AM
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Very reasonable and logical and none of it will be the primary focus of the MSM or the presidential debates.

BUT I think this time it will be different and something positive will come out of the next debate focusing on :
sexuality,racism,religion,economy,healthcare, foreign matters, jobs, immigration, SS,Medicaid , taxes, etc.

You know the stuff they have been focusing on for the last 100 years that is a directly impacted by corruption,conflict of interest, and lobbying. But this time it will be different, LOL

That congressman who is spilling the beans on congress hit the nail on the head with



'It's far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification'


Just keep them distracted and not focused on the real issue and they will never fix the problem.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Boadicea

Very reasonable and logical and none of it will be the primary focus of the MSM or the presidential debates.


Thank you -- and you're right about that! Perhaps by the next election, we can actually come together as a people and establish a platform of demands for at least our Congress critters, similar to Newt's "Contract for America" in the 90s, with folks pledging not to vote for anyone -- left, right or middle -- that doesn't promise to fulfill OUR demands... not THEIR pie crust promises. (I know... I'm a dreamer...)


BUT I think this time it will be different and something positive will come out of the next debate focusing on :
sexuality,racism,religion,economy,healthcare, foreign matters, jobs, immigration, SS,Medicaid , taxes, etc.

You know the stuff they have been focusing on for the last 100 years that is a directly impacted by corruption,conflict of interest, and lobbying. But this time it will be different, LOL


Haha! Wouldn't it be great to see Gary Johnson and Jill Stein up there too? At least they'd throw some new ideas and solutions into the mix. It would sure shake up the status quo! I'm so tired of the same old crap slamwiches they keep giving us -- the left's crap on one side and the right's crap on the other side and then just smacked together and then slammed down our collective throats: the crap slamwich!


That congressman who is spilling the beans on congress hit the nail on the head with



'It's far easier than you think to manipulate a nation of naive, self-absorbed sheep who crave instant gratification'

Just keep them distracted and not focused on the real issue and they will never fix the problem.


It's that darn instant gratification -- rather than long-term satisfaction -- that plays to the ego and gets us every time. Makes me want to cry sometimes how easily "we" play into it.
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