Madeleine McCann: New Richard Hall Video On The Time Line And Unreliable Witness Statements

Richard Hall has done another outstanding job setting the record straight and filling in many blanks in the story of Madeleine McCann.

In particular he shores up the view, shared by many on line commentators, that Madeleine must have died some time before May 3, 2007, the day on which her disappearance was announced by her mother Kate.

In this video he pays careful attention to the credibility of numerous deposed witnesses and shows that many of their accounts are self contradictory and give the appearance of being made up to mislead police. He wades into a plethora of press accounts that frankly, I always avoided putting too much stock in, because of the imprecision of statements people make and the fact that the press sometimes misquotes people.

Mr. Hall shows convincingly that going over this sort of material patiently can yield results and I congratulate him for his patience and his sharp eyed scrutiny of a very, perhaps deliberately, confusing set of data. He clarifies matters considerably.

He also devotes time to the photos given to the Portuguese police by Madeleine's parents and their friends, paying particular attention to the famous poolside picture of Gerry McCann sitting with Madeleine and Sean, and shows that this photo was almost certainly taken near the beginning of the week in Praia da Luz and was likely the last photo taken of Madeleine and may, in fact, have been taken on her last day alive.

His videos can be found on his channel page:

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Part 1 of When Madeleine Died?

I will never understand why she refused to answer questions during the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter. In fact there are so much inconsistencies with regards the parents behaviour(s) during the investigation that serious, serious questions need to be asked.

I'm absolutely disgusted actually.

a reply to: ipsedixit

What do you think about this?

According to her parents, Madeleine McCann was abducted on May 3rd 2007.

That is simply not true.

Madeleine was not abducted at all.

She was brutally raped and tortured in a vile and bloody Satanic ritual two days earlier.

Her death was the culmination of many months of horrific, sadistic abuse.

You see, Madeleine McCann was no ordinary girl.

She was being raped regularly by several members of a high-level paedophile ring and her abuse was being shared with many on the internet.

Madeleine McCann was used in vile pornography along with many other children.

For the sick bastards using her, she was something special though.

You could say she was the “star of the show “.

In fact, the only thing that would give the twisted #ers any more pleasure than they had already experienced, was for Madeleine to be killed.

Right in front of their eyes.

A snuff film to beat all others.

Beautiful, blond haired Madeleine had the ‘X-Factor’ and plenty of people were already paying big money to see her being vilified.

The next step was the ultimate one.

She was literally going to be sacrificed.

That’s why Gerry stated so clearly on video that he was not in Praia de Luz for a holiday.

That’s why the Tapas 7 so firmly claimed they would never talk because they had taken a “pact”.

That’s why Dr David Payne spoke so graphically about his sexual feelings towards Madeleine.

That’s why Margaret Oppenheimer Hodge’s nephew was staying at the Warner resort at the same time as the McCanns.

That’s why paedophiles,Tony Blair and Gordon Brown .so fervently supported the McCanns.

That’s why Gerry’s paedophile past was wiped from the CATS sex-abuse register.

That’s why Clarence Mitchell, who had already covered-up Jill Dando’s murder, was called in to cover-up Madeleine’s.

That’s why Gerry and many of his friends were allowed to escape, scot-free, from Operation Ore when police were about to expose high-ranking, child-raping scum.

That’s why heart surgeon Gerry is a Freemason in the same Leicestershire vicinity as paedophile peer Greville Janner and his sicko- sidekick Keith Vaz.

That’s why everybody gathered at Mark Warner’s to have their pick of young children to rape and also to witness the death of Madeleine.

That’s why Gerry and Kate were feted by the world’s elite- a special way of saying thank-you for giving us Madeleine.

That’s why highly trained sniffer dogs, Eddie and Keeler, picked up the scent of Madeleine’s blood in 10 locations.

That’s why the UK media has persistently failed to report on the conflicting police reports about the case.

That’s why the McCann’s have spent millions trying to shut-up their critics and pay off their cronies.

That’s why many parents like to rape their children along with their friends and sell images of the abuse.

That’s why many UK doctors like to combine murdering children with organ trafficking to wealthy clients.

That’s why Madeleine was also raped after her death ( necrophilia- just like Jimmy Savile ).

That’s why blood splatter patterns found in the apartment were consistent with a neck being slit.

That’s why a photo of a dead Madeleine was posted around the world.

That’s why a clue was deliberately left , hidden in plain sight , for us by pretending to call Madeleine, Maddie ( anagram :I’M DEAD).

That’s why the UK Intelligence services are doing everything within their power to prevent the truth about Madeleine’s sacrificial murder coming out.

That’s why these are the exact tactics used in the case of Alisa and Gabriel the Hampstead Whistleblower kids.

That’s why they want a total media shutdown and cover-up.

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a reply to: and14263

I'd like to hear what you think about it, actually, or what you think of Mr. Hall's latest video effort.

As far as the quotation goes, it is a very elaborate allegation and nothing more.

I think Richard Hall is going to get into this territory in his next film, though. I'll be looking forward to that one. It is very far fetched for me, but I'm not British.

I'll go a little further. I don't think the McCanns are involved in anything of the sort contained in your quotation. However, there is something special about them, of a political nature. It would be good if that could be nailed down precisely. I believe that they know Gordon Brown, but that, in itself, is not sufficient to explain the extraordinary official government interest in this case.

I hope Mr. Hall can enlighten us on that point.

a reply to: and14263

I remember reading that Tony Blair was charged with indecency in a London public toilet under his full name which fooled the press and the case went into obscurity. Not quite the family man he had us all believe before he got himself elected.

I am ashamed to say I voted for him (labour actually), however I have always found Gordon Brown made my skin crawl. So in fact I am not surprised - as a Brit that is.

This whole case is utterly bizarre because never before has such a government interest been taken in a missing child - which I always felt showed little respect for other parents who suffered this fate. I do agree that this interest would not have been forthcoming had there not been some hidden reason for it.

Madelaine was a beautiful little girl and a privileged one being the daughter of a Doctor and Surgeon, which is why I found it amazing that the McCanns hadn't taken a Nanny with them on the holiday so they - two hard working individuals could get some rest also. The wealthy usually take at least one helper especially if there are twins also. Its no joke looking after one small child, let alone three.

I am grateful people like Hall are looking into this matter because the paedophile problems within both our government and royals, seems to be going a little quiet - whilst for most of us this is far from over - like Diana's death also.

a reply to: Shiloh7

Bloody hell Shiloh you read my mind today. I was discussing this Tony Blair thing with someone and even Googled the name he was charged under.

It happened.

And as for Diana's death... I was discussing that today with someone else! These are two cover ups which I have spoken to first hand sources about, two cover ups which have taught me a lot about our world. As for delving deeper on ATS about them? I don't trust this place at all. So I won't.

a reply to: and14263

Sorry, no. most of that is utter b*ll*cks..Sorry am having a lupus flare right now, so don't have the energy to go into it, bit by bit, but as for the Maddie anagram..nonsense, in fact her parents insisted that she was never referred to as Maddie, only Madeleine, so that's a non starter.

The truth is, there have been so many lies, theories and conspiracies about this case, that no one really knows what happened, though I tend to believe Goncalo Amaral's version of events (the now retired police chief who oversaw the case) that Madeleine had an accident in the apartment, whilst her parents were out, the parents and their friends panicked because they knew that a child neglect charge in Portugal would ruin all of their careers as they had all left their young children alone and as such, colluded to fake an abduction. Snr Amaral's book the Truth of the lie is a good read, it hasn't been published in English, but there are translated versions online.

The other thing that gets me when people start talking about this case, is going on that Madeleine was so beautiful and with her coloboma (which the McCanns now claim she didn't have) that she was somehow a very special child, well obviously she was special to her family..though not special enough to pay for a babysitter. But to be honest, she is no different to any other 3 yr old girl, there was nothing particularly special or outstanding about her, so all of the secret society nonsense is just that...nonsense.

Finally, if there was this huge conspiracy to kill the child in a satanic ritual, we wouldn't have heard anything about it at all, it would have happened, done and dusted, no one would ever have heard her name, to say anything else is quite frankly, illogical. Also her parents were not super wealthy, they both came from working class backgrounds, had a massive mortgage, and only Gerry worked full time..and he's not a surgeon btw, he's a cardiologist, so he basically interprets patients EEG reports etc and Kate was working part time as a locum GP..but she hasn't worked since 2007. Madeleine's disappearance made them a fair bit of money though...they even paid their mortgage from the vast public donations..until they were told to stop, so the idea that they were somehow these wealthy, top professionals isn't really true.

Smoke and mirrors most of it, and I believe that the real truth is far, far simpler.

BTW I don;t disagree that Blair and Brown are a couple of sleazebags, but I don't think they had any actual part in the disappearance of this child. Yes, Brown was looking for his Diana moment as an unelected and unliked PM and possibly hoped by supporting the McCanns he could appear caring. He soon dropped them though when information was coming in that the parents were not all that they seemed and he quietly dropped them...The massive PR juggernaut had hit the road by that time though and the McCanns have sailed through, mostly untarnished, but I do believe that the truth will come out and I haven't totally give up on Operation Grange yet. And whilst I appreciate the effort Richard Hall has put into his videos, there are a number of issues I have with it...namely the involvement of Tony Bennett, who has his own, slightly off centre view of the case imo

To be honest, Richard Hall makes a living out of the McCann tragedy. It would be appropriate after all this time, and pain, for him to stop passing off his fantasies as fact.

The biggest tragedy is that there are people who believe him, watch his videos and buy his books.

a reply to: destination now
The very first question you MUST ask yourself is"which parent in their right mind leave 3 very young children on their own in a strange room in a foriegn country and go out for dinner with a group of friends"?
At the very least they aught to have been prosecuted for gross negligence for just leaving their children. If it had been an ordinary couple they would have had their other 2 children took off them. But why nothing on that front?
Why the silence pact of the tapas group? If everything was genuine they should all come clean.
But they're not are they?

a reply to: crayzeed

Selfish arrogant ones...and Kate and Gerry and the rest of their mates fit that bill exactly.

The reason that they were not prosecuted for neglect, is because of Portugal's legal system, the police were pretty sure the parents were involved, but needed to get the evidence, specifically a body, which of course has never been discovered, so it was decided to focus on that line of investigation rather than the lesser charge. Ultimately after several months under argudio status, the Portuguese police shelved (not closed) the case by which time it was time barred to pursue the neglect, which would have been counterproductive by that point.

Stuart Prior of the Leicester police said at the time, that had the incident occurred in the UK, that the evidence the Portuguese had would have been enough to charge them. The crime didn't occur in the UK though, and the massive media storm surrounding the case, made it difficult for the Portuguese to deal with it properly..just look at some of the abuse they got, bungling cops, sardine munchers, people saying they wouldn't go back to Portugal as it is a haven for paedphiles, which is isn't, there are far more sex offenders in the UK, but at the time it seemed like the best solution to drop the case, rather than have the Mccanns found not guilty...the Portuguese have re-opened the case though and it is still ongoing in tandem with Operation Grange, no matter what the Mc's paid spokesperson or dubious articles in the Sun etc say and of course Snr Amaral's appeal for the libel case is due soon, so it could all unravel yet

As for the tapas friends, I don't think they had any idea that it would turn into what it did, and what started out as covering their own backsides for neglect, snowballed into a monster.

Notably several of the friends are off the radar, Russell O'Brien for one and the mysterious disappearance of the Paynes from the crimewatch reconstruction that was broadcast a couple of years ago, whilst it named all the other friends, the Paynes were left out of the narrative and of course during the rogatory interviews carried out in Leicester in 2008, had David Payne saying to the police that he did have things he could say, but felt that the interview setting was not the right forum.

Also notable from the crimewatch reconstruction, is the removal of Jane Tanner's "Bundleman" with DCI Redwood dismissing her sighting as being that of another tourist who they had tracked down??? And instead were focusing on the man seen by the Smith family, who looks uncannily like Gerry McCann. The McCanns always have, and still do focus on Tanner's sighting and have brushed the Smith sighting under the carpet.

So in my opinion, the friends stories are being taken apart bit by bit as well, and none of us know what they may have said to the police by now

I'm looking forward to seeing what Richard Hall says about Robert Murat. There appears to be some connection between Murat and Gerry McCann that Gerry is sensitive about.



I think Richard Hall is very disturbed by the pedophile backdrop to public life in Britain. At the end of his current video he hints very broadly that he is going to get into that area of investigation.

I just don't see Kate and Gerry in that bag, or any of their friends, including David Payne. However a very elaborate political knot has been tied around this case. I would love it if Richard Hall could unravel that knot to some degree.

This (below) is the first story that appeared in the press about Madeleine McCann:

The important thing about this story on the Telegraph website is that it is one of the very few elements of this story that is precisely timed. It therefore becomes a benchmark that all other elements of the story must conform to.

There are a couple of very important points about this story.

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Three year-old feared abducted in Portugal

By staff and agencies

12:01AM BST 04 May 2007

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A three-year-old British girl has gone missing while on a family holiday in Portugal, the Foreign Office said today.

Portuguese police are investigating the disappearance from a holiday complex in Praia da Luz in the western Algarve.

A Foreign Office spokesman said that he understood the girl's parents had gone to have dinner once their children were asleep last night, but returned to check on them only to find the girl had gone missing.

"They reported it straight away," he said, adding that consular assistance was being offered.

It would be great if Richard Hall were to find out how the press statement from the Foreign Office in London came to be released a scant two hours after Madeleine was first reported by Kate McCann to be missing. The Queen could probably get a Foreign Office press release produced within two hours if she stubbed her toe in Paris, but nobody else could do it, from Portugal, starting at 10:00 PM London time.

I think the press release was composed well in advance of Kate's announcement.

The second important aspect of this press release is that it announces that Madeleine is missing, seems to give an endorsement of the behavior of her parents, and to reinforce the "official McCann time line" of events, and then finishes without even describing the missing child.

This press release serves only Madeleine's parents. Madeleine herself is forgotten. Why?

a reply to: ipsedixit

To be honest, it was always about the McCanns covering their backsides and the fact that between the group, they had a few contacts, which they utilised before they contacted the police, hence why the story was released within 2 hrs of her being reported missing..that was crucial to the McCanns..Abduction, Abduction..look over there, not here type of thing, who can forget Auntie Phil..."she's been abducted and taken out of Portugal" meanwhile, the police and all of the people in PdL are in fact assuming that the child had just wandered off and were looking in the immediate vicinity for her..too late though, it is my opinion that Gerry had already spirited her away before the alarm was raised..hence the Smith sighting.

It is in view of the Smith sighting that I feel particularly aggrieved by Richard Hall's documentary as he dismisses them, in the same way Tony Bennett does, as being liars, including their, then 12 yr old daughter. I don't know what bee Tony Bennett has in his bonnet about the Smiths, but he is lucky they haven't sued him, and Richard hall, for defamation.

I also think that Murat is a bit of a red herring, and I certainly don't think she is buried in his mother's garden a la Steven Birch's theory, yet again, if anything he was possibly unwittingly involved, but I don't think so, the group were so keen to ID him and point the finger..til it was pointed out he was a dead ringer for David Payne, then it suddenly went quiet.

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: ipsedixit

To be honest, it was always about the McCanns covering their backsides and the fact that between the group, they had a few contacts, which they utilised before they contacted the police, hence why the story was released within 2 hrs of her being reported missing. . .

I agree with this but I still think the wheels had to be set in motion for the Foreign Office press release, long before 10:00 PM May 3, 2007, when Kate "discovered" that Madeleine was missing. I did a time line in another thread showing that this had to be the case. Nobody called the Foreign Office on behalf of the McCanns at 10:01 PM saying "Maddie is missing! Issue a press release." There is no doubt in my mind that even in the McCann's official version, some time would have to have elapsed before the FO was called.

Keep in mind that the press release, as issued, serves no practical purpose, whatsoever, related to recovering Madeleine.

It is in view of the Smith sighting that I feel particularly aggrieved by Richard Hall's documentary as he dismisses them, in the same way Tony Bennett does, as being liars, including their, then 12 yr old daughter. I don't know what bee Tony Bennett has in his bonnet about the Smiths, but he is lucky they haven't sued him, and Richard hall, for defamation.

Maybe Richard Hall will try to scrutinize this sighting and how it was handled by the police and the McCanns in more detail. Part of the reason he dismisses it, is the way the E-Fit drawings were produced. My understanding is that the only Smith to have gotten a good look at the face of the man they saw, was Aoife, but she was not involved in producing an E-Fit.

Hall seems to lump their sighting in with "bundle man", which could well be wrong, but given his revelation of so many inconsistencies in witness statements, plus signs of "witness drift" in the stories they tell, one can understand his scepticism of the Smiths.

I also think that Murat is a bit of a red herring, and I certainly don't think she is buried in his mother's garden a la Steven Birch's theory, yet again, if anything he was possibly unwittingly involved, but I don't think so, the group were so keen to ID him and point the finger..til it was pointed out he was a dead ringer for David Payne, then it suddenly went quiet.

This I disagree with. I think there is more to the Murat story, that we haven't been told or that hasn't been explained. For one thing, apparently Jane Tanner's DNA was found in an apartment owned by him in Burgau, along with a sample of his own DNA.

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DNA testing showed that samples identically matched the mitochondrial DNA of Jane Tanner and Robert Murat (Processo n' 2007/000565/PT-B). The reports in question were provided by the Servicos de Genetica e Biologia Forense based in Lisbon at the request of Paulo Rebelo. When we talk about hair samples and hair haplotypes we are talking about mtDNA profiles and a system (called haplogroups) that illustrate how these profiles relate to common ancestry groups. One human cell contains two types of DNA - nuclear and mitochondrial. mtDNA is inherited from a mother to a child. Surprisingly, mtDNA analysis is more sensitive than nuclear DNA profiling. The samples found in the Solimar Apartments were identical haplotype matches to Tanner and Murat. This means that the samples were either from them or two people having the same maternal bloodline.

Hall also alleges that Murat met with Gerry McCann and some others involved in the group around him, at a golf course outside of Praia da Luz. Cell phone tower evidence placed both men in the same rough location at the same time. It would be interesting to know what that meeting was about, if it actually took place.

I think Hall is going to deal with these issues in his next film.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Definitely something very very wrong about that whole case.

Friends in high places helped a lot

a reply to: bigyin

It is a very bizarre case. If it weren't built around the tragic loss of an innocent little girl, it would be Monty Python and Mr. Bean rolled into one.

Just to amplify this comment a little, let's take a look at the "coloboma", Madeleine's distinctive iris irregularity. Here is a particularly cute photo showing the coloboma.



Early in the case, the McCanns were advised not to talk to the press and not to disclose the existence of the coloboma. The Portugese police believed that if an abductor became aware that the public were looking for a little girl with a coloboma, Madeleine might well have been murdered immediately, as a result.

The McCanns ignored this sensible advice and basically started an independent investigation. They, or their friends, immediately spoke to the press and very soon revealed the distinctive coloboma. This was a very stupid move. Withholding the fact of the coloboma from general knowledge would have helped to keep Madeleine alive, if she were still alive in the hands of an abductor, and in theory at least, would have served as a quick way to filter out sightings of little blond girls without colobomas.

(In fairness the last bit is a little academic because the public, bless their hearts, immediately starting reporting every little blond girl, on sight, or so it seemed. None had colobomas.)

And that was only the beginning of the incompetence shown by the McCanns in "investigating" this case. Hundreds of thousands of pounds, raised from the public, were squandered on "investigators", criminals who did little or no investigation.

The E-fits of the Smith sighting were not released for nearly two years, although they were given to the police earlier. One of the E-fits looked disturbingly like Gerry McCann.





Of course, looking "disturbingly" like someone is not even close to "being" that person, which begs the question, "What on earth would cause the McCanns to hold back, from the public, E-fit drawings derived from a very credible possible sighting of her abductor?"

There is much, much more, but anyone will get the flavor of what went on.