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originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: Klassified
I purposely steered clear of reincarnation. I am simply talking about original souls in heaven. Our knowledge of heaven is wiped clean and we are born into this reality.
originally posted by: Klassified
Ok. My mistake. It read as if that's what you were alluding to. That being the case, you're alleging that we pre-exist, and that we have some kind of choice to come here or not. I can think of nothing in the bible that supports your hypothesis on either count. The apostle Paul says we are fore-known, not that we pre-exist.
For on the first day He created the heavens which are above and the earth and the waters and all the spirits which serve before him -the angels of the presence, and the angels of sanctification, and the angels [of the spirit of fire and the angels] of the spirit of the winds, and the angels of the spirit of the clouds, and of darkness, and of snow and of hail and of hoar frost, and the angels of the voices and of the thunder and of the lightning, and the angels of the spirits of cold and of heat, and of winter and of spring and of autumn and of summer and of all the spirits of his creatures which are in the heavens and on the earth, (He created) the abysses and the darkness, eventide , and the light, dawn and day, which He hath prepared in the knowledge of his heart.
And thereupon we saw His works, and praised Him, and lauded before Him on account of all His works; for seven great works did He create on the first day.
Someone believed it around the second century BC, when it was allegedly written.
In Jewish mysticism the Chamber of Guf (גּוּף, also transliterated Guph or even Gup), Hebrew for "body", also called the Otzar (הָאוֹצָר, Hebrew for "treasury"), is the Treasury of Souls, located in the Seventh Heaven.
Tree of Souls
According to Jewish mythology, in the Garden of Eden there is a Tree of life or the "Tree of Souls: that blossoms and produces new souls, which fall into the Guf, the "Treasury of Souls".
Gabriel reaches into the treasury and takes out the first soul that comes into his hand. Then Lailah, the Angel of Conception, watches over the embryo until it is born.
According to Rabbi Isaac Luria, the trees are resting places for souls and sparrows can see the soul's descent, explaining their joyous chirping. The Tree of Souls produces all the souls that have ever existed, or will ever exist. When the last soul descends, the world will come to an end. According to the Talmud, Yevamot 62a, is that the Messiah will not come until the Guf is emptied of all its souls.
In keeping with other Jewish legends that envision souls as bird-like, the Guf is sometimes described as a columbarium, or birdhouse. The mystic significance of the Guf is that each person is important and has a unique role which only he or she, with his or her unique soul, can fulfill. Even a newborn baby brings the Messiah closer simply by being born.
The peculiar idiom of describing the treasury of souls as a "body" may be connected to the mythic tradition of Adam Kadmon, the primordial man. Adam Kadmon, God's "original intention" for humanity, was a supernal being, androgynous and macro-cosmic (co-equal in size with the universe).
When this Adam sinned, humanity was demoted to the flesh and blood, bifurcated and mortal creatures we are now. According to Kabbalah, every human soul is just a fragment (or fragments) cycling out of the great "world-soul" of Adam Kadmon. Hence, every human soul comes from the guf [of Adam Kadmon].
I don't believe that it matters that Jubilees isn't part of the canonized scripture.
Can't be. The Dead Sea Scrolls predate second century writings.
originally posted by: ClovenSky
I have to admit. I am trying to create a reality where I can enjoy this life to the fullest. I have tried many approaches to this and I think the basis is a solid foundation of core beliefs. Beliefs that tend to hold up on their own. Beliefs that allow me to view other modes of reality with an open mind and not cause an automatic rejection. I do not wish to go down a path that causes self doubt/hate anymore.
Discovered between 1947 and 1956, the Dead Sea Scrolls comprise some 800 documents but in many tens of thousands of fragments. The Scrolls date from around 250 B.C. to 68 A.D. and were written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek; they contain Biblical and apocryphal works, prayers and legal texts and sectarian documents.
The Book of Jubilees, sometimes called Lesser Genesis (Leptogenesis), is an ancient Jewish religious work of 50 chapters, considered canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as well as Beta Israel.................
It was well known to Early Christians, as evidenced by the writings of Epiphanius, Justin Martyr, Origen, Diodorus of Tarsus, Isidore of Alexandria, Isidore of Seville, Eutychius of Alexandria, John Malalas, George Syncellus, and George Kedrenos. The text was also utilized by the community that originally collected the Dead Sea Scrolls.