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Very few in this thread understand what Socialism is. It is the ownership of the units of economic production and distribution -- factories, farms and so on -- by the state. The state is supposed to be run by representatives of the people whose task is to ensure a fair and equitable allocation of all goods and services.
So what system works then? Long term.
Both systems care more for the populace of a society than capitalism.
originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: lydie15
Why is Socialism so heavily disliked - Because people have been trained up to dislike it. The rich and powerful, as it seems both Einstien and MLK say unrestrained power of the rich and powerful are able to distort the economy in their own favor.
No one ever seems to say why socialism is bad apart from claiming that welfare for individuals sends the country broke when most of the better informed and better educated people who say it must know their claim is based on the false premise.
The premise being that only welfare for individuals sens the country broke not corporate welfare.
Well, how can they maintain a straight face when they say that because quite clearly they themselves believe in welfare, its just they don't want it to go to individuals, they only want it go to the corporate sector where they,in all likely hood, become recipients of it.
If the people who say welfare for individuals is bad why aren't they making just as much noise in the media about the evils of corporate welfare?
Why aren't they constantly appearing in the media or in these forum calling for the amount of corporate welfare to be quantified and its impacts on the economy assessed, that it should struck out etc etc. What arn't they doing that?
Quite clearly its because they don't oppose welfare, they only oppose it going to individuals because quite evidently they don't oppose it going to the corporate sector.
In my country the govt quite clearly is in favor of welfare because during the 2008 financial crisis they gave my wife and I, $800 and told us to go spend it and stimulate the economy.
These days are demonizing the dole and the people who claim it. Its also quite clear they are slowly phasing it out but again not one single word about corporate welfare, not one.
just for the record, don't any one be silly enough to claim that corporate welfare creates jobs. why, cos that means you cannot escape admitting that welfare money for individuals also creates jobs.
When xyz millions or billions is spent into the economy by the federal govt and it bounces through the bank accounts of individuals and straight into the local economy, don't try n tell me that its not a form of economic stimulus and dont try n tell me that when xyz millions of dollars is pumped into the local shopping centers that that is not creating and or maintaining jobs in that shopping center (or local economy however you define it).
The roman empire fell.
You stated antiquated methods of government.
How do you work that into modern society with current information sharing?
Again, what method would work?
Did you forget that I mentioned Singapore
Why don’t you ask the Chinese? They seem to manage it quite effectively.
The answer remains the same. Sorry if you don’t like it
Voluntaryism.. is a libertarian philosophy which holds that all forms of human association should be voluntary.
A dictator. Basically a modern day North Korea.
I don't want to live where you want to live.
A dictator, yes, but nothing at all like the evil dynasts who tyrannize over that unhappy country.
As it happens, I have lived under Socialism. I lost what would have been my patrimony to the government under a programme of Socialist land reform. I have queued for bread, had my rice, lentils and clothing rationed and put up with the shoddy products and lethargic, grudging service provision of a state-run economic machine. I have experienced the wonders of Socialism up close, at first hand.
I have also lived in Singapore.
I would ratherlive here than anywhere else because it is my native land