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Why don't we just opt out of our government and stop paying taxes?

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posted on May, 3 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: jinni73
So what Is the law gods law or mans law?


Which god are you on about? different gods have different laws....


if you want to be a slave to another human who poisons your food water and air in order to retard your brain


A good description of someone that believes everything they read on the internet!




posted on May, 3 2016 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: hellobruce
www.austlii.edu.au... ch;rank=on;callback=off;legisopt=;view=relevance;max=
and further down tis post is the admittance of the judge that the tax office is an illegal entity.

larryhannigan.com...


pn.i-uv.com...
here is the case and some comments by the judge saying eh cannot allow financial chaos in Australia therefore he si going to remove the evidence that the ATO is an illegal entity
If you scroll down there is an Affidavit by an ATO employee Anthony Wallace stating he could not find any proof that the ATO Is a legal entity

Justice J Callinan, in Moelike v Chapman [B8/2000 (24/8/2000)],

The judge of the matter then stated; ‘You have proved beyond any doubt that the law establishing the Australian Taxation Office has not been Gazetted and thus place its legality in question’ he went on, ‘But I can not permit Australia to fall into financial chaos and thus strike out this evidence’.

and if the tax office is an illegal entity which anyone can prove as it has not been gazetted it has no powers The ATO is set up in Washington and is a tax collector for the catholic church

BEING COOPERATIVE (Page 17)
We prefer to work with you cooperatively, providing you with help to meet your
obligations voluntarily. However, if you are uncooperative or obstructive, we may need
to take firmer action. For example, we have formal access and information gathering
powers that we use if necessary. People who are obstructive may even be prosecuted.
We ask that you treat us with the same courtesy, consideration and respect we are
expected to give you. If we are subjected to rude or abusive behaviour, we may end
an interview or phone call.

again you ignore the british and north American treaty stating that tax is illegal also the small fact that the ATO is illegal.
I See you like to defend criminals
Alcopop Liquor Tax, Building Permit Tax, Capital gains Tax, Corporate Income Tax, Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax, Fuel Permit Tax, GST, Hunting License Tax, Income Tax, Inheritance Tax, Inventory Tax
Land Tax, Local Council Green Tax, Luxury Tax, Mining Industry Profit Tax, More Cigarette Tax, Petrol/Diesel Tax
Property Tax, Real Estate Tax, Road Usage Tax, Service charge taxes, Social Security Tax / Superannuation Tax
Vehicle License Registration / TAC Tax, Vehicle Sales Tax / Stamp Duty, Workers Compensation Tax

Customs and excise tax was the only tax in force at the turn of the 20th century
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago…
And our nation was one of the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt…
We had the largest middle class in the world…
And Mum stayed home to raise the kids.

so here is the case with the judge proving the Australian Tax Office is an illegal entity

HIS HONOUR: Mr Logan, the Australian Taxation Office is not a legal personality, is it?

MR LOGAN: It is not.

HIS HONOUR: It is not mentioned in the Act, is it?

MR LOGAN: It is not a legal personality.

HIS HONOUR: Is it mentioned anywhere in the Act, the office?

MR LOGAN: No, it is not. I think I can say that with some - it is a big Act to read, but I cannot - - -

HIS HONOUR: It is indeed.

MR LOGAN: But I do not know - I have never come across Australian Taxation Office in the Act.

So if the tax office is illegal then tax is voluntary as they have no legal pathway therefore the charter I provided has to end at tax is voluntary



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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: jinni73
So what Is the law gods law or mans law?


Which god are you on about? different gods have different laws....


if you want to be a slave to another human who poisons your food water and air in order to retard your brain


A good description of someone that believes everything they read on the internet!


so I prove you are wrong yet you still keep going what gods are you talking about the 7 gods the bible talks about in referring to elohim or do you think that the muslim god is different to the Christian god again you can prove your ignorance with your reply



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 02:00 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73
The ATO is set up in Washington and is a tax collector for the catholic church


Garbage, it is part of the Department of the Treasury.


again you ignore the british and north American treaty stating that tax is illegal


Which exact treaty states that?


also the small fact that the ATO is illegal.


That is not actually a fact...


with the judge proving the Australian Tax Office is an illegal entity


Where exactly did he state it was illegal?


HIS HONOUR: It is not mentioned in the Act, is it?


Why would it be mentioned in the Fair Trading Act?


So if the tax office is illegal


But it is not illegal! You are very confused.
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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73
so I prove you are wrong


You have not proven that at all...


yet you still keep going what gods are you talking about


The Flying Spaghetti Monster disagrees with you.
en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: jinni73
Do you have any clue that providing links to two sites doesn't make your claims stronger when the second site actually obtained its content and provided links back to the first site? LOL

You also seem to have some problem understanding what actually constitutes a slave.

All the posts regarding the ATO and Australian court decisions do not prove a thing when it comes to US and Canadian law, or anywhere else outside of Australia for that matter, and income tax.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: jinni73
Plucking a portion of a court transcript and pointing to it as proof of some position you are espousing, a common act of those supporting the "freeman/sovereign" and tax protester ideologies, is not very convincing when both the context and final decision are ignored.

The High Court rejected the claims for relief and ordered the plaintiffs to pay the defendants' costs. The defendants being those named persons who were agents of the Australian Tax Office.

eresources.hcourt.gov.au...

Nothing in the decision or the court transcripts stated that tax owed to the Commonwealth of Australia need not be paid or that income tax was something a person could choose not to pay.



posted on May, 9 2016 @ 06:23 PM
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The millions of people whose salaries are derived from taxes for starters.



posted on May, 9 2016 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: Merinda

It is funny how many people running for office always talk about shrinking gov but don't talk about the amount of people that lose their job.



posted on May, 9 2016 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: erwalker
a reply to: jinni73
Plucking a portion of a court transcript and pointing to it as proof of some position you are espousing, a common act of those supporting the "freeman/sovereign" and tax protester ideologies, is not very convincing when both the context and final decision are ignored.

The High Court rejected the claims for relief and ordered the plaintiffs to pay the defendants' costs. The defendants being those named persons who were agents of the Australian Tax Office.

eresources.hcourt.gov.au...

Nothing in the decision or the court transcripts stated that tax owed to the Commonwealth of Australia need not be paid or that income tax was something a person could choose not to pay.



You can try and mislead people if you want but the judge confirmed the ATO is illegal Period. and anyone with a set of eyes as well as the ability to read can work this out also the ATO printed a leaflet (that I have seen) stating Tax is a voluntary contribution.

Just because you have another agenda in trying to mislead people that's up to you But you are trying to say that the people reading this are stupid and cannot understand plain English quite simply tax is voluntary as it is illegal being charged and this is clearly laid out in the BNA act,

now if your saying your government is acting illegally (and you are trying to defend that good luck with that because we are reaching a tipping point and all of you that are protecting this system are going to be treated the exact same way as is being used against us and some)
against the people and illegally charging them income tax and giving the money to corporations then that is a matter for the military to come in and remove the governments isn't it? or are the militaries illegal too and not defending the citizens that pay its wages I'm sure people will not have an issue paying money to carry on the operations of the military in regard to a different type of tax but one that is based on fairness and not illegality

For all those that aren't fooled by people that attempt to mislead them on this site and have the ability to read the various acts themselves and you are not sure what to believe If you write a letter to your tax office whether that be in England, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada and declare the reason to the tax office that you do not want to voluntarily pay tax then you are allowed to do that,
I suggest you use the reason of chemical fertiliser in growing our food and the non cleaning of the public water supply leaving fluoride and a huge amount of other toxic chemicals in it as well as then giving money to pharmaceutical companies in order to treat the symptoms of the poisoning that is occurring directly from these processes.

also as I referenced the BNA Act in a previous post which someone seems to of overlooked therefore meaning he or it is not actually reading anything I am providing as proof.

There are two specific sections of the B.N.A. Act that deal with the delegation of authority between the Federal and Provincial Governments. Sections 91 and 92 deal with authority for various types of taxation, who has authority to levy which taxes, and various other areas of jurisdiction.

this is a Canadian courts decision proving that the Income tax is illegal and that the Canadian government illegally changed the law back in 1917 to allow banks to take control of he money system. nomoretyranny.org...
the governments are illegally charging the citizens income tax

The Act was unconstitutional then, and it is still unconstitutional today. When it was enacted, it was on a voluntary basis

here is the case in Canada that proves the income tax is illegal and the Canadian govt changed the act illegally in 1913 allowing banks to take over the money system


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posted on May, 10 2016 @ 01:54 AM
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I suspect the erwalker does have an agenda, if by agenda you mean pointing out that you are wrong on everything you have posted.

Saying they want you to pay something voluntarily is not the same as saying it is voluntary. It is an official way of saying we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

Your latest foray into income tax being illegal, this time in Canada is also wrong. Section 91 of the Canadian constitution gives the Federal government the right to raise money by any mode or system of taxation. It mentions direct taxation for the provinces as a way of limiting what taxes they can use (for example no tariffs), not to remove this power form the federal government.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 02:00 AM
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originally posted by: jinni73
also the ATO printed a leaflet (that I have seen) stating Tax is a voluntary contribution.


Why tell lies? How about showing us what it actually states - and it does NOT state that paying taxes is voluntary!


now if your saying your government is acting illegall


You are the one here claiming that - with nothing to back your claims up!


If you write a letter to your tax office whether that be in England, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada and declare the reason to the tax office that you do not want to voluntarily pay tax then you are allowed to do that,


Care to show some evidence for that silly claim?


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posted on May, 10 2016 @ 03:41 AM
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posted on May, 10 2016 @ 03:54 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: enlightenedservant

But what if people dont wish to participate in "There" state sponsored servitude and control. If they are born in the area they are just as much entitled to claim sovereignty as the dirty bastards that also claim ownership of the land and call themselves a democratically elected government. What if they dont wish to contribute 54% of the total income of the nation on military expenditures.

You talk about duty, but what about the duty to to the right thing as apposed to participating and contributing to what essentially amounts to world domination via military superiority and financial control.

Going by that logic, we only have to follow laws we choose to follow. That's literally the perspective of criminals (aka "people who break laws").

Just see what happens in an adult male doesn't register for Selective Service. Or if a citizen refuses to pay State sales taxes (in states with sales taxes). Or refuses to show up for jury duty when summoned. Or tries to buy gas or pay a utilities bill without paying the additional taxes that are included. Or drives, hunts, or carries a concealed weapon while refusing to pay for a drivers license, hunting license, or concealed weapons permit in States that have them.

To be honest, this whole argument sounds childish. It's like the spoiled and pampered kid that doesn't want to eat his/her vegetables or go to bed when told to do so. LOL


Actually it sorta seems like you enjoy the whole idea of being subjugated; it is cool if that is your thing however, not everyone enjoys subjugation.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: jinni73
Nobody is ignoring the BNA. They are just ignoring your and your provided link's erroneous interpretation of what powers of taxation it gives to the Federal and Provincial governments of Canada.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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Another thing regarding the document found at the link you provided, nomoretyranny.org.
The page claims that one Gerry Hart successfully used the delegation of powers argument some 22 times to have charges of not paying Federal income tax owed thrown out. But like most such claims by tax protesters, not a single case citation is provided to back up the claim. I wonder why? Could there be no such cases in which Mr Hart successfully argued that the BNA did not allow the Federal government to impose an income tax.

Feel free to peruse the court decisions at Canada:Income Tax Act & GST: Unconstitutional? for examples rejecting such arguments.



posted on May, 10 2016 @ 02:30 PM
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ok, then when YOU lose your job thru no fault of your own, you can fend for yourself, or when YOU find that your child has cancer...you can find ways to raise money yourself.

You can also just go ahead and lock yourself in your run down house bc you are not paying for improvements to the interstates / roads / and will not be allowed to drive on them.



posted on Nov, 6 2017 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

Yeah, that would be great.

I'd love to drive on broken down roads and go to hospitals without electricity.

How old are you, 12?



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